Most under-rated handgun?
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Clipper
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Phoenix HP-22
They won't even sell them at my gunshop of choice (Nationally recognized name here), and the guys there refer to 'em as 'the BIC pens of handguns'. However, the one I bought (at a smaller local shop) for my wife to plink with and quallify for her CCW with (.22s being a whole lot cheaper than .380) has been flawless in function and extremely accurate.
They won't even sell them at my gunshop of choice (Nationally recognized name here), and the guys there refer to 'em as 'the BIC pens of handguns'. However, the one I bought (at a smaller local shop) for my wife to plink with and quallify for her CCW with (.22s being a whole lot cheaper than .380) has been flawless in function and extremely accurate.
R.W.Dale
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CZ handguns are some of the best handguns made today and they sell for Ruger prices
But I do believe that they will become more common and accepted as the whole 1911 fashon blows over in the next couple of years.
But I do believe that they will become more common and accepted as the whole 1911 fashon blows over in the next couple of years.TOADMAN
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Glock..Had to say it...
MCgunner
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I currently want a '58 Remmie, but have an Old Army already. They're fun guns, though. The one I want is built by Pietta, a 5" handy barrel.
Maybe they've improved. The only real gripe I have about mine is the number of recoil springs it uses up. Bout every brick of ammo, I need a new recoil spring. The thing is amazingly accurate, though. I wouldn't depend on it for defense even in a better caliber, but it seems reliable and is the only pocket gun I've ever seen that can shoot 3" groups off sand bags at 25 yards. The 5" barrel is an inch better'n that!
That right there, accuracy, is why I've kept the gun. It's pretty junky, but hey, you can't argue with function! I love that thing for taking with me outdoors for plinking, snake protection, even a rabbit if it presents itself. Rather have my kit gun with me, but it don't fit a pocket like that Phoenix pot metal thing does.
Now, I've gotta go with Taurus AND Rossi revolvers. I have liked all six Rossi guns I've owned, still have three of 'em. They're incredible values, accurate, reliable. They're not as well finished as a Smith and the triggers aren't as good out of the box, of course, but the SA trigger is quite good in mine even if the DA is a little rough. My little .22 M511 sportsman will put five shots in well under 2" at 25 yards, as good as any Smith kit gun I've ever seen or shot. It's all stainless, an incredible little gun. I love that thing. I wish I still had my M971 .357 mag. It was light, full lugged, fairly (though nothing to write home about) accurate. It'd shoot most loads around 2 1/2" at 25 yards. Would have made a GREAT carry IWB, but I traded it off before the CCW law was enacted in Texas. It was only around 30 ounces unloaded and it sat low in the hand and really was easy to shoot fast and accurate with magnum loads. Amazing little gun. I carried it afield hunting a lot and it was light on the gun belt for all day outings.
Now, this little Taurus M85UL I have has the most amazingly slick DA trigger, better than about any J frame size gun I've felt, better than my old M60 S&W. It's an accurate gun, but likes jacketed bullets, seems to lead up cast bullets with any velocity for some reason. Never really figured that one out. But, the DA trigger is awesome, smooth and light.
I think Rossi and Taurus are trashed a lot from the gun snobs, you know, the "get what you pay for" crowd. They won't touch a cheap gun. But, with Taurus and Rossi, you get at least a lot of function for your money even if there are a few tool marks here and there on 'em. I buffed out the tooling marks on the back of the hammer on my Rossi M88 I had, not a big chore, made it look better. But, guess what, those tooling marks didn't make it a poor shooter. The thing was accurate and reliable and the trigger was fair if not stellar. My M85UL seems better finished and the trigger and the fact that it is only 15 ounces made me keep it over the M88 which I sold to a friend who likes it.
Maybe they've improved. The only real gripe I have about mine is the number of recoil springs it uses up. Bout every brick of ammo, I need a new recoil spring. The thing is amazingly accurate, though. I wouldn't depend on it for defense even in a better caliber, but it seems reliable and is the only pocket gun I've ever seen that can shoot 3" groups off sand bags at 25 yards. The 5" barrel is an inch better'n that!
That right there, accuracy, is why I've kept the gun. It's pretty junky, but hey, you can't argue with function! I love that thing for taking with me outdoors for plinking, snake protection, even a rabbit if it presents itself. Rather have my kit gun with me, but it don't fit a pocket like that Phoenix pot metal thing does. Now, I've gotta go with Taurus AND Rossi revolvers. I have liked all six Rossi guns I've owned, still have three of 'em. They're incredible values, accurate, reliable. They're not as well finished as a Smith and the triggers aren't as good out of the box, of course, but the SA trigger is quite good in mine even if the DA is a little rough. My little .22 M511 sportsman will put five shots in well under 2" at 25 yards, as good as any Smith kit gun I've ever seen or shot. It's all stainless, an incredible little gun. I love that thing. I wish I still had my M971 .357 mag. It was light, full lugged, fairly (though nothing to write home about) accurate. It'd shoot most loads around 2 1/2" at 25 yards. Would have made a GREAT carry IWB, but I traded it off before the CCW law was enacted in Texas. It was only around 30 ounces unloaded and it sat low in the hand and really was easy to shoot fast and accurate with magnum loads. Amazing little gun. I carried it afield hunting a lot and it was light on the gun belt for all day outings.
Now, this little Taurus M85UL I have has the most amazingly slick DA trigger, better than about any J frame size gun I've felt, better than my old M60 S&W. It's an accurate gun, but likes jacketed bullets, seems to lead up cast bullets with any velocity for some reason. Never really figured that one out. But, the DA trigger is awesome, smooth and light.
I think Rossi and Taurus are trashed a lot from the gun snobs, you know, the "get what you pay for" crowd. They won't touch a cheap gun. But, with Taurus and Rossi, you get at least a lot of function for your money even if there are a few tool marks here and there on 'em. I buffed out the tooling marks on the back of the hammer on my Rossi M88 I had, not a big chore, made it look better. But, guess what, those tooling marks didn't make it a poor shooter. The thing was accurate and reliable and the trigger was fair if not stellar. My M85UL seems better finished and the trigger and the fact that it is only 15 ounces made me keep it over the M88 which I sold to a friend who likes it.
MCgunner
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Uh, I don't think the 1911 thing will "blow over" anytime soon. JMHO, but they're too idolized by their followers. Even their gurus, guys like Cooper, have god like status, not to mention JMB who seems to be at least the Messiah. Heck, they're all sitting around waiting for the second coming of JMB.
That's not a fad, it's a friggin' CULT!Jeff Timm
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S&W SW 9VE the infamous Glock copy. In the latest "Victory over Europe" version, it's been reliable, reasonably accurate and fits my wife's small, weak (injury) hand so well, she likes it.
Geoff
Who thought about getting one in .40, but cooler heads prevailed.
Geoff
Who thought about getting one in .40, but cooler heads prevailed.
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Model 10, 64
Ruger Security Six
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The Grand Inquisitor
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Steyr M9, and the entire Steyr M9. M40, M357 Sig series (as well as the S series), and the entire M1A Steyr series of improved Steyr M's and S's.
It is without a doubt to me that the Steyr M9 (which is what I own and trust under any situation) and new improved M1A series is the most under-rated auto-loader in the United States. The trapezoidal sights, the ergonomics, the reliable accuracy, every damned thing about this pistol is brilliant and fits just about any gap.
The only complaint I have about the series is that Steyr decided to make a .357 Sig model instead of a 10mm model - I was nice that they made a third model in each series in a lesser known caliber for a specialty market, but just about every loves 10mm compared to .357 Sig which, in my opinion, has some significant drawbacks.
Also, I'd like to throw out Taurus' name in this contest: I've shot numerous Taurus', from my .38spc/.357 revolver, to my buddies RB in .44 Mag, to his 92F clone, and every last Taurus pistol I've shot has been top notch. And the one time that there was a small problem with my friends revolver, Taurus was extremely fast and efficiant in dealing with the problem. As far as manufacturers for "less expensive" firearms goes, Taurus is head and shoulders above their competition, and eclipses quite a few of the "premium" builders.
It is without a doubt to me that the Steyr M9 (which is what I own and trust under any situation) and new improved M1A series is the most under-rated auto-loader in the United States. The trapezoidal sights, the ergonomics, the reliable accuracy, every damned thing about this pistol is brilliant and fits just about any gap.
The only complaint I have about the series is that Steyr decided to make a .357 Sig model instead of a 10mm model - I was nice that they made a third model in each series in a lesser known caliber for a specialty market, but just about every loves 10mm compared to .357 Sig which, in my opinion, has some significant drawbacks.
Also, I'd like to throw out Taurus' name in this contest: I've shot numerous Taurus', from my .38spc/.357 revolver, to my buddies RB in .44 Mag, to his 92F clone, and every last Taurus pistol I've shot has been top notch. And the one time that there was a small problem with my friends revolver, Taurus was extremely fast and efficiant in dealing with the problem. As far as manufacturers for "less expensive" firearms goes, Taurus is head and shoulders above their competition, and eclipses quite a few of the "premium" builders.
CajunBass
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Ok. I'll throw Hi-Point in here. I can only give first hand testimony on my C-9, 9mm, but it has been both relilable and accurate for 1300 rounds or so. No, it's not a "great" gun, but it'a a darn good one for $140.00.
wally
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Armscor/RIA 1911. Fantastic value for the shooter. No lawyer parts, out of the box trigger that will put many more expensive makes to shame. Anyone who regrets not getting Norinco when they were ~$225-250 will be kicking themselves years from now for not getting these for the $290-330 they go for now.
Of course you get what you pay for, someone's got to pay for all the full page color ads in the the gun rags
--wally.
Of course you get what you pay for, someone's got to pay for all the full page color ads in the the gun rags
--wally.
MachIVshooter
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CZ's and TZ's (Witness'). Very ergonomic and robust pistols. Hard to beat until you double the price.
MICHAEL T
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I say its the KelTec P-32 and P-3AT are the most popular pocket guns sold today and have a loyal following . But people still think their junk and a SNS. They are neither.
Well I'll toss in my own gun, the Browning Pro-9 (and similar FN Herstal FNP-9). They get very good feedback from those who have used them, but in general do not seem to be on the general public's radar screen. And especially in the case of the FNP's which tend to sell for less, it is as much gun as things costing twice as much.
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Glock and CZ
Every glock thread always has a guy screaming about KBs
Every CZ thread has a guy screaming about how sigs are better.
Every glock thread always has a guy screaming about KBs
Every CZ thread has a guy screaming about how sigs are better.
TxCajun
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Hey! This is most under rated... Not over rated!
I like Rugers, and yes Michael T, Kel-tecs top the list.
But don't let that get out.
Ala Dan
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+1 for Bersa handguns~!
Big Gay Al
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I'd have to say it depends on what you mean by under-rated. In other words, do you mean under-rated by the gun magazines, or by the gun buying public?
In either case, I cannot see that the Glock is under-rated. It's in use by several military forces, a ton of police departments issue them, and they even have their own magazine. Under-rated? Not very likely. More like over rated, if you ask me that is.
I'd have to say, based on comments I've seen on this and other forums, at least 3 brands stick out to me as under-rated.
1. Hi-Point pistols. Their carbines, not so much so.
2. Taurus, apparently based on a bad rep they had a couple of decades ago.
3. Bersa, and I have no clue why.
As usual, the above is just my humble opinion.
In either case, I cannot see that the Glock is under-rated. It's in use by several military forces, a ton of police departments issue them, and they even have their own magazine. Under-rated? Not very likely. More like over rated, if you ask me that is.
I'd have to say, based on comments I've seen on this and other forums, at least 3 brands stick out to me as under-rated.
1. Hi-Point pistols. Their carbines, not so much so.
2. Taurus, apparently based on a bad rep they had a couple of decades ago.
3. Bersa, and I have no clue why.
As usual, the above is just my humble opinion.
Big Gay Al
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I can agree with the Witness being under-rated. I don't know about the FN USG.panzermk2 said:
I have a Wonder finished Witness in .45, and I have to say it is a fantastic pistol. And with all the conversion kits you can get for it, a real money saver.
Again, in my humble opinon.
denfoote
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Most under rated.
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Pistolet Makarova.
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