Most over rated pistol

[Gunhead]

The most overrated by far are the Colt 1911 pattern psitols.

 

[Sean Smith]

Jeff, you know, it actually pays to know SOMETHING about what you are talking about. Give it a try sometime.

Well, that's simple. The 1911 platforms are typically more accurate and easier to shoot

Yep, you don't want a weapon to have THOSE quaities... more accurate? Easier to shoot? No, you are much better off with a weapon that makes it HARDER to hit what you are shooting at.

Plus, there is a real snobbery towards "plastic" guns.

Yep, that explains the wild popularity of polymer-framed STI and SV raceguns in the competitions that allow them.

However, the immense cult following of the 1911 is not enough to render it more functional, reliable, and durable over these other, newer designs.

If you knew anything about IDPA or IPSC, you'd know that a jammed gun means a lost match. Since you already conceded the 1911's superiority in terms of accuracy and shootability, I think "functional" has been covered too.

A USP is more fun to shoot, anyways: since when is 7 better than 10 or 12?

Since when does capacity dictate fun? Better tell those cowboy action shooters that they aren't having the fun they think they are. Furthermore, some 1911-based raceguns have DOUBLE the capacity of your USP.

As far as the CZ is concerned, I suppose any gun will funtion well enough in competition when you find the right ammo for it. Not my cup of tea, really, to be limited like that. And I really don't care for designs that demand strict maintenance in order for them to function properly.

Based on what? Your vast sample-of-one experience with them? Wow, that's compelling. Using that logic, everyone who had a bad date with the opposite sex should be getting married in San Francisco now.

 

[axeman_g]

my thoughts...

I used to think SIGs, till I shot one ... now own one.

I used to think Glocks, till I shot one ... now own one.

USPS ... shot one, hated it.

but what I think is the most overated gun ...

ANY .40 S&W

Cmon, use a +p 9mm, keep speed and accuracy or use a .45 or 10mm for mass and/or speed, but .40 just dont make sense. A compromise of mammoth proportions.

 

[Hawk]

As several posters have noted "over rated" is not synonymous with "overpriced". Also, exactly who is doing the rating is an issue - if it's one of the glossy periodicals, a case could be made that ALL pistols are over rated.

If the rating is being done by the members of THR, I would submit that any design that gets its share of detractors is, perforce, not eligible for the title of "over rated".

The 1911 has never seen a thread where it is praised to the heavens without reserve; a mention of Baer, Wilson or Brown will usually get at least one post with a horror story. A P-7 thread never remains a one-sided love fest. Glock will flush out both people who swear by and at the design. I respectfully submit that to be "over rated" in the context of THR, it should be a pistol that seldom gets bashed by the forum membership. Thus my submissions for most over rated goes to:

1. Bersa Thunder .380
2. Makarov, any.

 

[Tactical]

I agree that HK USP is highly UNDERrated. I believe they are worth at lease another hundred dollars on the price tag. And I would still buy two.




HIGHLY OVERRATED -----------> ALL SIG's

 

[Jeff]

I don't understand your logic as to why newer designs would be any more functional, reliable, or durable then the 1911, or why mag capacity would have any bearing on your argument. Please explain your reasoning, inquireing minds want to know!

Again, it's very simple. Because logic has nothing to do with it. It's about common knowledge . Gee, that thread about the most reliable .45 out of the box was well-timed, wasn't it?

I realize you may be using your friends .40 as a reference, but what do you mean by limited? I have a CZ75 & PCR and shoot strictly reloads in these guns, from 115 to 147 grains, with loads where the casings fall out of the guns at my feet to where they go a easy 15 feet away. I've used Ramline, Promag, Mec-Gar and factory mags and to date I've had one failure to feed in my CZ75, and a bump to the slide put her into battery. I'm still amazed sometimes how these two just shoot anything I feed them, and the only time I clean them is after a shooting session.

Just so you know, I also have a CZ83 that has given me some FTF problems, although some malfunctions were due to a weak slidestop spring, that has since been replaced.

So you are admitting that 50% of your CZ pistols don't function properly, or at least didn't function properly out of the box? Is that supposed to be a good number? 50%?

Sounds like a quality control issue, similar to what I've read in mag articles, which are traditionally over-favorable.

When the 7, assisted by a crisp, light trigger, flawless ergonomics, and a low bore axis, hit right where you want them to and let you go home alive or with the trophy.

With minor modifications, you can have a USP with a crisp trigger. You know, after market modifications......like what 1911 shooters use to make their guns functional.

As far as ergos and bore axis are concerned, those are all subjective and have no bearing on performance.

 

[charleym3]

Any 1911 over $1000

 

[Jeff]

Jeff, you know, it actually pays to know SOMETHING about what you are talking about. Give it a try sometime.

If you are going to respond like a jerk, don't bother with the lame smilie. If you want to discuss something specifically with me, let me know and bring it on.

Yep, you don't want a weapon to have THOSE quaities... more accurate? Easier to shoot? No, you are much better off with a weapon that makes it HARDER to hit what you are shooting at.

This is a response to a statement I made that you deliberately removed out of context: one of the many tactics of those unwilling or unable to debate intelligently or honestly.

Let me explain. The response I gave indicated that one must spend money and other resources to get their guns to shoot really well. Of course after these modifications will a 1911 be a better performer at the range, thus winning their majority share of competitions. But this realization doesn't logically or even rationally indicate that these guns cannot be considered overrated, since there are other uses of handguns other than competitive shooting, and since it takes what might be considered extensive modifications-- extra expenses-- to get these guns to do what they are designed to do. Understand now? Don't forget the title of this thread.

I would be willing to bet that your out of the box 1911 is neither more accurate nor easier to shoot than my USP.

Yep, that explains the wild popularity of polymer-framed STI and SV raceguns in the competitions that allow them.

Oh, so you are saying there is no snobbery towards polymer handguns? Purists are purists, and they exist plentifully in every hobby. Just read the boards.

If you knew anything about IDPA or IPSC, you'd know that a jammed gun means a lost match......I think "functional" has been covered too.

Bwaahhaaaahaa! Yeah, just be careful exactly what round you are putting in that match gun. It's got to be the perfect load, or else.

Since when does capacity dictate fun? Better tell those cowboy action shooters that they aren't having the fun they think they are. Furthermore, some 1911-based raceguns have DOUBLE the capacity of your USP.

A higher capacity doesn't necessarily ensure a greater level of fun, but it can't hurt can it? Less reloading (total interval times) equals more time shooting. They are called shooting sports, so I guess 10 or 12 rounds vs. 7 rounds can't hurt.

Based on what? Your vast sample-of-one experience with them? Wow, that's compelling. Using that logic, everyone who had a bad date with the opposite sex should be getting married in San Francisco now.

Oh, I see. I need to have owned or at least operated several specimens of CZ models to have an opinion on them? Please. Like I've said, I've read numerous articles on the CZ variants which are less than stellar. Combine that with my own anecdote and boogalou's own testimonial (50% poor performance) and I think I can state a reasonable opinion.

Your analogy is ridiculous.

 

[Greg Bell]

Awesome! This is the first thread I've been involved with that is certainly about to be locked that isn't obviously my fault!

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

Dang, perhaps we should switch to a less contentious topic, like politics or religion. Insert monkey-spanking-monkey icon here.

 

[Rogomay]

All handguns are overated if you do not maximize the handgun you own to it's full potential through regular range/ target practice and the proper maintenance of your handgun. A $300.00 handgun may not shoot as smooth or as accurate as a $1200.00 handgun but with practice to find the right ammo, magazines, POA sight adjustments or sight picture and the proper way to clean the handgun then even the weakest can be made stronger. What ever make of handgun you bought through your own decision is what YOU make of it.

 

[boogalou]

Jeff - The reason I brought up the problems with my CZ83 was to show you that I'm not a droning devotee to the CZ series of pistols. I would never make the statement that any handgun is "perfect".

I'll take the "common knowledge" of people who actually own handguns I'm interested in over any gun mag, isolated problem, or second hand heresay.

I feel no need to defend the 1911, the basic design works fine for me, just as they have for the last 90+ years.

By the way, I own 4 CZ's, with the CZ83 being the oldest, and in case you're wondering, the other three have been reliable to the extent that I would have no problem carrying any of them. Did they all work right out of the box?..... hard to say, since they were all purchased used.

Good thing I didn't give up on CZ's after the first one!

 

[Bruce H]

Working on six pages and there hasn't been one mention of a Desert Eagle in any caliber. Amazing.

 

[Jeff]

I understand all that, boogalou. I realize you were being honest and genuine in your experiences with the CZ. But I'm an opportunist, and I felt there was quite a bit of "information" in your recounting.

I actually would love to own a 1911 someday. I always have. There's definitely a certain charm to them, and I am familiar with their attributes.

 

[George Hill]

This thread is done.