Movie Tavern anti gun policy/report any anti gun policy

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EdYost

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I was stopped at ticket ripper stand at our local (Lexington, KY) Movie Tavern. I was OCing my PT92 by Taurus and was told by ticket taker that I was not allowed to bring a firearm into the theater. Usually I CC but it was too hot to wear concealing jacket and technically I'm not supposed to conceal because they serve alcohol there.
I asked to see the manager. She came along and I asked her 'where was the signage informing me not to bring my gun in?' She responded that it was their policy http://movietavern.com/to not have signage but to quietly inform me of there no gun policy when I bought my tickets.
I told her that I agree with not advertising to the world that all inside were unarmed, but since the theater shooting (Aurora CO 2012, Batman), I made a point to carry at theaters to avoid being a victim. That if someone in that audience had been armed, fewer injuries and/or deaths would have occurred. I told the manager that I was very disappointed in her company, but that I would go lock my pistol in my car. I intimated that if my gun got stolen from my car it would be her fault.
This summer they didn't get a chance to see my pistol as my wife buys the tickets while I park the car, and it's usually too packed with people and too dark to see my matte black pistol and holster on hip.

I honestly considered carrying in that theater more of a good luck charm, ie 'if I'm prepared, nothing will happen' kind of logic, than actually fearing a shooter at a matinee showing of Riddick. I haven't gone back to the Movie Tavern yet. I know that I can - and probably will - just conceal in future there, as my wife is spoiled by large comfy seats and decent meals, but I am still unhappy that they have a no gun policy. What other theaters have same policy? I apparently can't judge by signage. OCers of KY, do you carry in theaters?
 
If you can't be bothered to take your business elsewhere, how do you expect to change anything?
 
Movie theaters really don't hold any appeal for me anymore. I wait for stuff to come out on blu ray and watch it at home.

That said, following the law in this case was the right thing to do. Also, they should be posting signage if they expect patrons to disarm. It sounds like they are trying to have the best of both worlds by only verbally informing.
 
I intimated that if my gun got stolen from my car it would be her fault.

Really? On what planet would this be true? And does it really sound like a mature, rational argument? You might as well blame the evil gun for being so attractive to thieves.

Place blame for crime where it belongs--on the criminal.
 
I'd like to think I'd take my business elsewhere, but where I conceal carry 100% of the time I actually have no idea what the policies are of most of the places I go to. I do make sure to avoid the stores I know are anti, Toys R Us, Jareds Jeweler, Buffalo Wild Wings, etc.

That being said, I spend most of my money on guns so I don't really go to a lot of different/interesting places. :D
 
EdYost,

You're going to find the overwhelming opinions here to be critical of your decision to support a business that doesn't support your right to carry. You'll also find that most will be critical of the idea that you'd sneak a gun in concealed in violation of state law since THR's policy is that we don't promote violation of the law.

The recommendation from most here will be to make an issue of it with the owner of the facility and make it clear that you and your family won't be doing business with them as long as the policy stands. Also, make it clear that you've posted this on a 2A forum with tens of thousands of members and that they should expect this information to spread rapidly and that other 2A advocates in the community will probably drop them from the businesses that get their money.
 
What HSO said !

I CCW at all times and that way I don't get bothered with requests to "put my gun in my car" = that will be on YOU if its stolen [ yes that's the law ].

Its YOUR choice to take that gun and leave it UNSECURED.

I strongly believe that if its not seen,AND there is no magnetometer = I am not armed.

UNLESS the SHTF.

btw,I have never seen a case where the 'trespasser' was told they had to read all signage prior to entering a premise !.

AND if asked to leave,I comply.Voting with my dollar AND my feet is the best choice ,IMNSHO !.
 
hso said:
The recommendation from most here will be to make an issue of it with the owner of the facility and make it clear that you and your family won't be doing business with them as long as the policy stands. Also, make it clear that you've posted this on a 2A forum with tens of thousands of members and that they should expect this information to spread rapidly and that other 2A advocates in the community will probably drop them from the businesses that get their money.

There's really nothing more to say except I might reccomend an email with a link to this thread
 
Really? On what planet would this be true? And does it really sound like a mature, rational argument? You might as well blame the evil gun for being so attractive to thieves.

Place blame for crime where it belongs--on the criminal.
I explained how me leaving with gun on hip and returning without, told everyone who noticed, that my gun was in car. I did my best not to be noticed, and kept an eye out for anyone noticing. I know that if gun was stolen it was on me, but I wanted to point out to the manager the sticky side of putting my gun away. I have not given their company another dime, and I'm working to find another theater my wife will like.
 
I intimated that if my gun got stolen from my car it would be her fault.

You should have told her that by denying you your constitutional right to self protection that her company was automatically assuming complete and total responsibility for the safety of your family. It's not true, but only because nobody has taken it to court and gotten precedent.

We had a double stabbing in Seattle this month. Some crazy just walked up and started stabbing a woman and when her partner intervened he was stabbed to death. The media is ignoring the fact that they just came from a sporting event that (if I recall correctly) doesn't allow firearms and does not provide safe storage for someone bringing one.

I agree that you should have gotten a refund and left. Either you're carrying for the protection of yourself and your family or it's all just a big show. You told her your carry wasn't really all that important.
 
I explained how me leaving with gun on hip and returning without, told everyone who noticed, that my gun was in car. I did my best not to be noticed, and kept an eye out for anyone noticing. I know that if gun was stolen it was on me, but I wanted to point out to the manager the sticky side of putting my gun away. I have not given their company another dime, and I'm working to find another theater my wife will like.

I would have just demanded my money back and left.
 
I don't have the option of OC and luckily the movie theater that we patronize does not have a sign posted. Signs carry the weight of the law here, so I wouldn't carry if it were. I'm not going to push the issue by asking though. It's not posted, so I'll CC and keep my mouth shut.

It does stink that you were following the law and they prohibited it though. What you do about it as far as doing business with them or not, is up to you.
 
You should have told her that by denying you your constitutional right to self protection that her company was automatically assuming complete and total responsibility for the safety of your family. It's not true, but only because nobody has taken it to court and gotten precedent.

We had a double stabbing in Seattle this month. Some crazy just walked up and started stabbing a woman and when her partner intervened he was stabbed to death. The media is ignoring the fact that they just came from a sporting event that (if I recall correctly) doesn't allow firearms and does not provide safe storage for someone bringing one.

I agree that you should have gotten a refund and left. Either you're carrying for the protection of yourself and your family or it's all just a big show. You told her your carry wasn't really all that important.
As to just a big show, no, on that day, my carry was not that crucial for defense, the movie tavern doesn't hold that many people, therefore not a good target for mass shooting. I can handle myself in most self defense scenarios without my pistol. I do not consider myself disarmed without a gun. I am not a rabid gun nut, and I do not believe it served my purpose or gun-owners in general to appear so. When I carry, I generally do so because the urge to strap on came to me at some point in my preparation to leave home. I believe that to ignore that gut feeling is like asking for trouble. Better to have and not need... I'd kick myself for rest of life, if I needed and didn't have.
I have had the experience of having to draw down on someone to avoid him getting my gun and using it on me. I think I'll post that story in a separate thread. My point is that having a gun on me is not something I take lightly or do for show. I do however believe in keeping my wife happy and I judged that day was not the day to punish both of us on principle sake alone.
I carry because I can. I open carry because seeing me armed might deter a crime, the more of us out there, maybe less crime all over. I am not that paranoid, that I must have a security blanket at all times. When I do carry, I try to keep it on me to protect my gun more than me. I have become more paranoid carrying, than not. I am on alert, careful to keep my shooting hand free, wary of everyone within 15 feet, not really stressed but definitely alert.
 
Technically you are not allowed to carry where alcohol is served or legally you are not allowed to carry where alcohol is served?

If it is illegal, why would you openly break the law?
 
You're going to find the overwhelming opinions here to be critical of your decision to support a business that doesn't support your right to carry.

You won't get that from me. We have the same right to do business with a 2A non-supporter as we do with anyone else. Folks also have the right to be critical of such a decision but they ought to keep that criticism civil and specific. Blanket statements such as "You're not really a 2A supporter if you ever do business with someone who's not" (that isn't mean to be quoting anyone) are unhelpful and unfair.
 
I'm surprised they didn't offer you a refund and the nearest exit. Then again, I'm surprised that a company thinks a bar and a movie theatre make a great combo.

If a business (or a homeowner, for that matter) chooses not to allow firearms on their property, they are exercising their right to do so. Respect it, and exercise your right to take your presence elsewhere. If you wish to protest the policy, write a letter to the head of the company - the manager can't change corporate policy, and your braying in the lobby hurts our cause.
 
Technically you are not allowed to carry where alcohol is served or legally you are not allowed to carry where alcohol is served?

If it is illegal, why would you openly break the law?
thanks, beatledog7, and no, Teachu2, (and your braying in the lobby hurts our cause.) I was very calm, quiet, and respectfully letting the manager know I didn't like her company policy, but would comply with it. No braying in lobby. No offense taken, either.
As to legality, it is unlawful to conceal carry in an establishment that serves alcohol in my state. I have concealed in past at that location as it is not a major infraction to do so in KY as it would be in other states. My logic goes to case where numerous people were shot in bar because intended victim and his wife obeyed the law by leaving their guns in car while DJing in Tenn. I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6, I could always act like it was never concealed by pulling jacket behind gun. In the thought that they would have to see it for it to have been an issue, therefore not concealed. I don't blatantly break the law, most times, but I have rationalised my way of thinking about CC in bars, based on advice from many diehard CCers. No one cares if a tree fell in forest, they didn't hear it, and it didn't wreck their tree stand. It is a non-issue until it becomes an issue. I am willing to take my lumps if it does.
 
She responded that it was their policy http://movietavern.com/to not have signage but to quietly inform me of there no gun policy when I bought my tickets.
So, do they "quietly inform" every person buying tickets, or just OC'ers? If the latter does that mean they don't care about CC'ers or is it just ignorance? :rolleyes:

I told the manager that I was very disappointed in her company, but that I would go lock my pistol in my car.
Sounds like you did everything right, up to this point. You should have told her that in accordance with their wishes you were leaving her theater, would never be back, and would do your best to discorage all your friends and aquantences from ever patronizing her theater again.
 
I was stopped at ticket ripper stand at our local (Lexington, KY) Movie Tavern. I was OCing my PT92 by Taurus and was told by ticket taker that I was not allowed to bring a firearm into the theater. Usually I CC but it was too hot to wear concealing jacket and technically I'm not supposed to conceal because they serve alcohol there.
I asked to see the manager. She came along and I asked her 'where was the signage informing me not to bring my gun in?' She responded that it was their policy http://movietavern.com/to not have signage but to quietly inform me of there no gun policy when I bought my tickets.
.... I know that I can - and probably will - just conceal in future there, as my wife is spoiled by large comfy seats and decent meals, but I am still unhappy that they have a no gun policy. What other theaters have same policy? I apparently can't judge by signage. OCers of KY, do you carry in theaters?
You might want to share this with the people over at the open carry forum for Kentucky.
Usually signs don't carry the force of law in Kentucky unless it is one of the few prohibited places. At worst they can ask you to leave. Here are the links to the forum and the links to KY law.


http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?101-Kentucky

Kentucky Gun Laws
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?99708-Kentucky-Gun-Laws


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[+]244.125 Carrying in a bar: Unloaded and unconcealed only.
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/KRS/244-00/125.PDF

[+]244.125 Restaurant carry (as opposed to a bar): Yes, loaded if desired. It must make more than 50% of its earnings on FOOD and has at least 50 seats in the dining facility.
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/KRS/244-00/125.PDF


[+]Signs having weight of law: No, but if a prohibited place fails to post you're still in
violation if you carry. "
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/krs/511-00/090.PDF
 
Midwest - it is a prohibited place by law because they serve alcohol. What is the point of boycotting a business that would be breaking the law if they allowed customers to do the same?

If you want to legally carry in a bar, go complain to your elected officials.
 
So, do they "quietly inform" every person buying tickets, or just OC'ers? If the latter does that mean they don't care about CC'ers or is it just ignorance? :rolleyes:
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They can't know if someone's a CCW'er, that's sort of the point. I guess they're hoping people obey state laws regarding CCW and alcohol.
 
244.125 Prohibition against possession of loaded firearm in room where alcoholic beve

thanks, midwest, I don't think I will boycott the movie tavern or try concealing, though they are more restaurant than bar but one has to pass a bar inside to get to the theaters. I'd rather not lose my gun over splitting hairs
 
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