My First Concealed Carry Experience w/ LEO

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I have always tried to stay on the right side of the law, and never had a hunting violation my whole life, and I'm 60. I have had some friends get violations because they ignored the rules and Regulations. I had one of my neighbors come to my house one time crying a bout it will cost him $500.00 to get his gun back. I asked him What?:what:
He said that he had his rifle loaded and was driving through the national Forrest . DAAA ! He had it setting next to him in his truck, when the Game Warden stopped him. LOL He said it was a trap. LOLo :(

That's whatcha call Woo You Ignorant , in Texas!
 
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Good experience with Game Warden

I heard doors being opened, and closed, in the vicinity of my truck. I was hurrying now, thinking, that maybe someone is breaking into it. I could see through the trees the edge of the road; I was approaching the highway and would be approximately 75 yards down the hill from my truck.

I hurried to the road and reluctantly unloaded my rifle first, and then I slung it over my shoulder again with the bolt open. It’s illegal to carry a loaded rifle on the highway. I picked up my pace without looking too conspicuous, but I was ready for an emergency. I still had my 1911 in a shoulder holster, which was my CCW. As I was approaching this F-350, its engine was running; I noticed two women were loading up a large dog in it. I thought to myself what is going on? I got within 30 yards of the truck, and a Game Warden walked into plain view from behind the truck. His vehicle and mine were hidden from my view as I approached. He was a US Game warden, which is one that has unlimited powers or near to it.
I breathed a sigh of relief.

I said” hi Officer”‘ and he was looking at my rifle, and said, “ that’s good, I see the action open and it’s unloaded.” I said,” I suppose you would like to see my licenses. “ He said, “ yes, I would.” I asked, “can I put my rifle in the truck first?” I also mentioned, ” I have a License for a concealed weapon, that I have in a shoulder holster.”

He said, “that’s OK, but leave your pistol in the truck with your rifle.” “ I replied,” yes sir.” I put the rifle in my window rack and turned slightly, so he could see me using two fingers on the handle, as I pulled the Colt 1911A out of my shoulder holster. Then I set it on the seat. I moved back and shut the door.
He told me, as he was driving up to my truck, a dog ran out of the woods. The other truck pulled up at the same time; they were the escaped dog’s owner.

After the Officer looked at my licenses; we talked and had a very interesting conversation. It was about being a true Hunter and an American. One can have a license to hunt, but not be a hunter, just as one can be born an American, and yet not be one, truly. He was originally from the North East and for the last 7 years had been a Border Patrol Officer near the Rio Grand. He said that, one time on the border, he and his partner spent 30 hours of surveillance of one trail. They counted 827 people crossing into this country. That is just one trail. He also related the story of a classic Mexican standoff one-day. The Mexican Federallies had a 50 Cal. and a 30 Cal. Machine guns. Our Border patrol agents only had small arms.

We talked about hunting in Pennsylvania and New York. I told him how careless the NJ Hunters were and the NYC hunters used to be when I lived up there. He told me, they haven’t changed.
He said that he had arrested 2 illegal aliens already that were in the Sam Houston National Forest.
Also, someone had been shot on Private property earlier in the day. They weren’t wearing red or orange I guess someone did a point shot with a 270 on him. So, the guy lost his leg between the knee and ankle. The Game warden had to go in the woods and help get him out and performed emergency first aid to stop the bleeding.

He was a man of Integrity, and good Character; just doing his job.:D
 
Hmm... a positive story right after you inform us that they have carte blanche to perform unconstitutional and therefore illegal search... and almost certainly seizure. Didn't think that one through, did'ya?
Game Wardens in Texas are some of the most professional and polite LEOs I have ever had the pleasure to meet. In Texas they are regarded as uber LEO (second only to the Texas Rangers) if you are a true hunter/sportsman, and this myth of go anywhere, do anything is pretty common. It is a myth however. And by the way, they are incredibly stealthy:evil:. I have found, through a few contacts with the state law enforcement agencies here in Texas, that you won't find a better group of pros anywhere. Don't poach in Texas. It may take a while, but you will pay. Now...enough of the lovefest for TPWD.
 
i va if they observe you poaching (and they use night vision and video to observe) they will sometimes follow you home and tag you in the driveway. then search the house for madditional poached game. often find it. and kiss the truck and or boat good by. not that hard to obey game laws and the 2 clowns i know that lost their stuff deserved it. both were big money poachers.
 
Game Wardens are used to encountering armed law-abiding people.
That's always been my experiance too.All of the "outdoors/woods" type LEO's like game wardens, forest service rangers, wildlife officers, etc seem to generally be really friendly and laid back, and are unafraid and understanding of those with guns they run across in the outdoors.My guess is the vast majority are avid hunters, fisherman, outdoors types anyway, which is why they went into the line of work in the first place.That said, they have ZERO tolerance for safety and hunting violations (as they should), and are NOT to be triffled with on those matters.You WILL loose.Suck it up, shut up, take your ticket, and go home.you screwed up, admit it.

just wanted to add, to avoid confusion, those last couple sentences are NOT directed at ANYONE here.just a general statement.
 
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I have been stopped several times by game wardens, genereally with good results.

I was topped once in the local WMA. I had gone straight from work to pick up a girl I was was dating, and had my 12 gauge behind my seat. When I got there I realized that I shouldn't have it, but it was a long drive and I didn't want to go back. I unloaded it and hoped I wouldn't be stopped. Sure enough I'm not there for 2 minutes before I'm stopped by three officers on a swamp buggy. I told them I had the gun and that I didn't intend on shooting anything, but I hadn't had a chance to take it out of the truck. They searched my truck extensively, called in my driver's license and the serial number from my gun, and wrote me a warning. They explained that they could have confiscated my gun and all my ammunition (I also had ~350 round of 30-06 in the truck) and given me one hell of a fine for having the gun outside of hunting season. In the end they didn't even make me leave the park.


Another time my girlfriend and I were drinking with another couple in some woods in my neighborhood. A couple of game wardens saw us by the canal and came to see what we were up to. Only one of us was of age, so they ran all our licenses and searched the trucks. I told them I had a pistol in the truck and where it was at. They pulled us each aside individually and told us exactly what we could be charged with. They even went above and beyond and explained to the other girl there that she shouldn't be mixing alcohol with the prescription meds they found in her purse. I told them that we all lived in the neighborhood so we were only driving ~.5 and that we hadn't even finished our first beer yet. They let us go and actually allowed us to keep our beer, telling us that if we want to drink at our house, that's fine.

In both situations, I actually was breaking at least one law, yet I was still let off very easy. I was treated with the same respect that I gave them. I actually look forward to dealing with them now.
 
Titan6 said:
Umm No. They need warrants for houses. And there are some limitations on vehicles and boats.
Yes, and no. In the same way that any other police officer may or may not need a warrent to search your house. It all depends on the fresh pursuit standard. A game warden may not walk up to any random house and search it, however if a game warden watches you carry a deer into your house, he may search your house for that deer... but only in places where the deer would logically be. He can't go tearing through your underwear drawer on the pretense of searching for game animals. Your freezer on the other hand...
 
Umm No. They need warrants for houses. And there are some limitations on vehicles and boats.

I would check that out in each individual state. I do believe that in Alabama they can search your hame without a warrant in most situations.

I am also glad to see a thread that is dedicated to saying mostly nice things about LEO. I've had mostly go experiences with them in my 60 odd years. Probably more then I deserve. I have a suspicion that the ones that complain the most about their problems with LEO did or said something cause them!
 
My dealing today is abstract from the topic, but still applies.

I was fingerprinted today for my CCW paper work. The officer was cool as could be and didn't show any signs of concern with me applying for a CCW permit. We even carried on a conversation about our guns.

Ultimately he asked what I'd be carrying. And I told him a Springfield XD-40. He looked at me, smiled and said "good gun, good choice". I said thanks.

Walking out he shook my hand, wished me luck and I went on my way to sending in the paperwork.
 
My last encounter with a game warden was coming back off the mountains from a day of deer hunting. Three of us each filled our tags, had one adult doe, a yearling, and a fawn (yea yea I'm a bambi killer...it's good eating).

Anyways we hit the game warden road block and got out of our truck to uncover the deer. Game warden vet looks what we have and says "hey Bob (or whatever his name was) come over here for an object lesson." Bob must have been a rookie cause he was young and the object lesson was thus: The vet showed him the three different ages of deer and how to tell the difference between an adult doe and yearling for counting purposes and such. Lesson took two or three minutes. After it was over the vet game warden says well boys have a good day.

We got in our truck and left....bout a mile down the road it occurs to me that they forgot to check our hunting permits or tags on the deer.
 
Dude, you're in TX for gosh sakes. I'd be impressed if you had that experience in occupied CA, but TX? C'mon, now.

;)
 
Wheelgunslinger said:
Game Wardens are used to encountering armed law-abiding people.

Luckily you've never encountered the ones in Utah. Everyone in the world is the enemy, most of us have C4 in our cars and spew AIDS to the ones I've encountered. Many of the guys I've spoken with had similar experiences.

Now the Utah Hiway Patrol, on the other hand, have always been just fine. I've been pulled over twice for speeding and once for a burned out tail light. All three times I sat with both hands on the wheel witht he window already rolled down and identified myself as a "permit holder for a concealed weapon with a weapon on me." They always thanked me for my proper actions and carried on with me just fine (one ticket, two warnings.)

If you are carrying, I was told by my CCW trainer that it's best to start with "I have a PERMIT for CCW" rather than starting with " I have a concealed weapon and a permit." Just make sure the word "Permit" comes out before "Weapon" or "Firearm." It makes a difference in the ears it goes into.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
I would check that out in each individual state. I do believe that in Alabama they can search your hame without a warrant in most situations.

Wow, that sounds like a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I'd check that if it were my house.
 
The zip code I work in has one of the highest amounts of CHL holders in TX so I run into them fairly often.

Most of the time I don't bother running folks with valid CHL's.
 
Point of Clarity?

Seeking clarification. Texas citizen here and I understand that I have the "duty to inform" but reading the OP, I found myself wondering whether the first words out of my mouth would have referred to the fact that I had a CHL and handgun to match.

I'm thinking the first topic of conversation would have revolved around what the GW wanted.. whether he was just making a routine visit to check for life jackets and such or whether he was "stopping" me in my course of business i.e. whether or not he had me under suspicion for some charge. As I understand the statute, one has the 'duty to inform' in the event of a stop, the intent ot spirit being to disclose the fact that you're "carrying" before the officer 'discovers' that you're carrying during the course of a search.

Like I said, I know I'm supposed to inform a LEO if I'm carrying but I don't walk around telling every cop I see that I'm armed and licensed to be so.

any Tx LEO types or legal types out there care to address letter of v spirit of the law issue and 'when' an armed and licensed citizen is required to disclose??
 
According to the trooper that taught my CHL class when a trooper runs your DL it will also let them know if you have a CHL. I dont know if this true for all LEO agencies but DPS will know if they stop you so you might as well inform them that you are carrying. I'll ask some of the local LEO's I know and see what they say.

adam
 
Tacmedicp94 said:
class when a trooper runs your DL it will also let them know if you have a CHL.
Correct. Even if you're not carrying at the time. Inform them you have a permit, but are unarmed. Save's the whole "where's your gun" speech if you don't tell them up front and they run you.
 
Game Wardens are usually very cool people, in my experience.

Ditto from me. As for the junk about Cop haters, well I have posted this before but it seems that some here have a hard time understanding the difference between cop haters, and jerk cops.

I have been pulled over exactly 2 times in the last few years. The first I was on my cell talking to my wife and NOT paying attention to my speed. Was pulled over by a THP officer, who I informed of my carry. I was polite, he was polite. Asked me where I was going in such a hurry, I told him, and freely admitted that I had NO idea how fast I was going. He was friendly and professional. I got my ticket, went to traffic school and had a greater respect for LEO after the event (even with getting a ticket). Fast forward a couple years later, and a local City cop pulls me over on a Sat Morn. while I was NOT speeding, comes up to the vehicle and acts like he is freaking out. Balled me out for "whipping out in front of him" (it was a 20 mph zone, and I did NOT whip anywhere! And when I pulled out his car was far enough down the road that I didn't even see his light bar! When I informed him I was carrying he actually JUMPED back from my window, and he was Terrified! He then went back to his car, watched his little video then came back again acting like he was terrified and balled me out for NOT having my seat belt on! (which I did not) gave me a seat belt ticket which I did deserve based on the laws of the state, and then got back in his car and spun out of the parking lot! Now he was a jerk, acted as if he was ready to soil himself, and showed pretty much every sign that he had NO business wearing a badge. I asked some of my LEO friends about him, and they ALL said the was exactly like I described. A coward with a badge. NONE wanted to work with or anywhere around him.

I have a great respect for good cops, none for individuals like the above mentioned one, even less than that for those who are crooks, power trippers, or some other undesireable form!
 
texas is a very gun friendly state. I know a person who has a texas chl and was accidentally open carrying in a rather crowded public place. He was approached by cops... the end result is the cops told him to have a nice night.

:confused: How did he manage to get his CHL without being made to understand that OC is a big no-no in Texas?
 
A game warden needs no warrant to search your house? Are you kidding me? I have to cry B.S. on that one. I simply cannot believe that a game warden can legally search your house without a warrant.
 
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