MCgunner
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My First Experiance With Rossi/Taurus = I Should've Listened To The Haters LOL
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I keep saying this, but Taurus QC is spotty. When they make a good gun, it is as good as any. When they make a bad one, they don't care; they ship it out the door and hope the buyer won't send it back.
Of course the S&W hatemongers praise Taurus, even if they never owned one, but that is not because Taurus is good, but because they hope to deprive S&W of a sale.
Taurus CS is poor because their QC is poor. The more bad guns a company ships out, the more come back, and the more CS has to try and fix. A company that makes a quality product in the first place has little need for CS. (Remember the Maytag repairman? An exaggeration, of course, but good products don't often need repairs.)
FWIW, I consider the quality of CS a moot point for guns, especially defense guns. If your washing machine breaks, your clothes don't get washed. If your gun breaks at the wrong time, your clothes become the ME's problem.
Jim
Of course the S&W hatemongers praise Taurus, even if they never owned one, but that is not because Taurus is good, but because they hope to deprive S&W of a sale.
Taurus CS is poor because their QC is poor. The more bad guns a company ships out, the more come back, and the more CS has to try and fix. A company that makes a quality product in the first place has little need for CS. (Remember the Maytag repairman? An exaggeration, of course, but good products don't often need repairs.)
FWIW, I consider the quality of CS a moot point for guns, especially defense guns. If your washing machine breaks, your clothes don't get washed. If your gun breaks at the wrong time, your clothes become the ME's problem.
Jim
ColeK
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Apparently not much changed in the 35 years since I bought my first Taurus.
ceadermtnboy
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Heck some folks even liked the Gremlin & Pacer so Taurus has its place
Just a little update, I still haven't received the revolver back nor have I heard anything about when it will be done. I've called twice more and every time they say it's gonna be a couple more weeks. I don't even care any more because there's nothing this company could do to change my mind about them.
Erik M
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I thought hate threads were against policy for High Road? I have a Taurus 85 that I carry concealed in warm weather. It has been my experience that the manufacturing process may not be the best in the world but for the price point they score a 7/10 in my book.
shootingthebreeze
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JK, I've had a Rossi stainless steel 38/357 2 1/2 inch barrel for over 15 years when it was made by Interarms. Excellent weapon. I have fired hundreds of rounds through it and it has operated flawlessly.
I think that when a fine company is taken over, in this case by Taurus, there may be some quality issues and It's really too bad.
My Rossi is very accurate even at an unvelievable 50 yards. At 20 feet it's dead on center of target.
I have found Taurus reliable so don't give up on them.
I think that when a fine company is taken over, in this case by Taurus, there may be some quality issues and It's really too bad.
My Rossi is very accurate even at an unvelievable 50 yards. At 20 feet it's dead on center of target.
I have found Taurus reliable so don't give up on them.
I thought the problem was that you got a rushed, junk revolver. Slapping a quick fix on it isn't going to help. Manufacturers are working overtime right now, and they'll go to lengths to get you back *your* frame, so there isn't another serial number and another transfer. It will take longer than simply replacing your gun with a new one. You'll get your revolver back, and it will be hand-tuned by a smith at the factory. What you do with it then is up to you.
Mustang6502
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I have a Rossi 3 inch .38 revolver and a 4 inch .357 revolver and they both work great. Last year I bought a Taurus 9mm pistol that jammed and shot far to the left. A friend and I could never correct these problems, so I sold it.
I think, that after reading about so many cases of problematical quality of manufacture and poor customer service regarding the Taurus company, the verdict is in. Buying a Taurus handgun is like making your money walk through a minefield. I wont subject my dwindling resources to that so I pass on any Taurus purchases. To each his own.
Ya my dad has a couple of the old Interarms Rossi snub nosed revolvers and their great little guns and part of the reason I ordered one but I should've just tried to find an old one like you have.
tkopp: I wouldn't call it a "quick" fix when they've had the gun for over six weeks already. My buddy sent his Ruger Sr9c in a while back and he had it back in less than 10 days from the time he shipped it out so I don't think it's the industry that's working overtime I feel it's just a junk company that is more worried about selling large quantities of new guns and then worry about making them work right after they've got your money. I should've stuck with an American company unless it says glock or cz and a couple other exceptions.
tkopp: I wouldn't call it a "quick" fix when they've had the gun for over six weeks already. My buddy sent his Ruger Sr9c in a while back and he had it back in less than 10 days from the time he shipped it out so I don't think it's the industry that's working overtime I feel it's just a junk company that is more worried about selling large quantities of new guns and then worry about making them work right after they've got your money. I should've stuck with an American company unless it says glock or cz and a couple other exceptions.
O no I finally got a "reprimand" hahaha you guys are too funny. I never said anything inappropriate until I was provoked so send me all the warnings you want I'll never not speak my mind or back down to a few internet tough guys lol. This topic has over 2,600 views so if I kept even one person from buying one of this companies pieces of junk then it was worth it.
Carl N. Brown
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Jeez, my wife's Taurus and my Rossi .38 Special have served fine for years; I shoot mine with Remington 125gr JHP +P frequently. My wife does not shoot much (prefers Federal Nyclad) but the gun works and has worked well for years. Bothe are a bit heavier and the triggers are rougher than my son-inlaw's Chief Special S&W Model 36, but both are rated by the factory for +P.
Of course, one bad experience can sour one on Colt, S&W, Glock, Beretta, et alia for that matter, and since I had lower expectations for the Rossi and Taurus I have been pleasantly surprised.
Of course, one bad experience can sour one on Colt, S&W, Glock, Beretta, et alia for that matter, and since I had lower expectations for the Rossi and Taurus I have been pleasantly surprised.
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Nobody ever gets a warning or a reprimand for providing an argument, when it's presented in a reasonable and adult manner. Calling each other names and/or acting like a child, on the other hand, will garner negative attention from a moderator.
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Ratdog68
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First off... I'm not a S&W hater... LOVE my 686. Bought a "Chief's Special" model 36 and was very disappointed with the trigger pull on it. Sold it and later, found/bought a Taurus model 85 snubbie. VERY much improved over the Chief's Special's trigger... and, it shoots just fine. Nuttin' wrong with mine.
"Rossi"... my only first hand knowledge of a Rossi revolver is one that I have sitting around the house, which belongs to a nephew. He acquired it with a broken firing pin. Haven't been able to locate a firing pin for him yet... been a few years too. Model M713 .357 Stainless.
BTW... even though I'm sure this Rossi and my Taurus were both "pre-marriage" of the two companies... the Rossi does NOT have the "feel" of a S&W, but my Taurus does.
"Rossi"... my only first hand knowledge of a Rossi revolver is one that I have sitting around the house, which belongs to a nephew. He acquired it with a broken firing pin. Haven't been able to locate a firing pin for him yet... been a few years too. Model M713 .357 Stainless.
BTW... even though I'm sure this Rossi and my Taurus were both "pre-marriage" of the two companies... the Rossi does NOT have the "feel" of a S&W, but my Taurus does.
oldbear
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I have owned a Taurus 617 2” for almost a year now; during that time I have fired almost 1,000 of 38 special +P, +P+, and .357 Magnum rounds through it without ONE misfire or problem. It’s also more accurate than I am. Apparently Taurus makes two styles of revolvers very good ones or very bad ones with little mid ground. After reading all of the horror stories posted on the Internet, I will not purchase another Taurus product nor will I recommend a Taurus product to anyone. It is sad that Taurus is unable or unwilling to clean up their act, as they have (on paper) some interesting designs at affordable prices.
As for the long lead times for Taurus repair, it’s my UNDERSTANDING that Taurus only has two (2) gunsmiths working at its’ U.S. repair center.
As for the long lead times for Taurus repair, it’s my UNDERSTANDING that Taurus only has two (2) gunsmiths working at its’ U.S. repair center.
As for the long lead times for Taurus repair, it’s my UNDERSTANDING that Taurus only has two (2) gunsmiths working at its’ U.S. repair center.
Wow well that would explain why it takes so long I guess and as frustrating as it is that is actually good news if it's true because I have heard that once they are sent off for repair they are usually a pretty good gun after you get them back.
Wow well that would explain why it takes so long I guess and as frustrating as it is that is actually good news if it's true because I have heard that once they are sent off for repair they are usually a pretty good gun after you get them back.
hemiram
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When I sent my Taurus Model 83 back the first time, it was gone for 6 weeks or so, and then the second time, it was gone about 2 months. That was about 30 years ago. I would hope that it had gotten better by now. This is really making me pass on a Taurus 809. My friend's works great, but who knows what I will get if I buy one?
FruitCake
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Sorry to hear that you are experiencing these kind of problems with your weapon. I to myself have a problem with new in the box gun with problems. I've experienced this 2 times and will not buy another gun from those manufacturers. This seems to be a continous problems with certain manufacturers and it should not be allowed by the consumer (us). To many of us settle for these new in the b ox problems and we should not. A new in the box gun should work PERIOD. If the manufacturer can't do that then I will spend my money somewhere else. Quality Control should find these problems, its their job. NOT OURS.
MCgunner
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If you don't want the problems, disregard modern Smith and Wessons, too. Another way to avoid problems is to actually take the gun out of the box and inspect it first. That will eliminate 99 percent of possible problems with revolvers. If you can't do that, just take your chances. I've read about problems with even Ruger (my favorite) and LOTS of problems with Smith and Wesson. Just look the gun over first and know what you're looking at. That's your best strategy.
I've got 3 excellent Taurus revolvers, as I've stated previous on this thread, and a couple of Rossis. The one problem I've had with Rossi that still seems to be a problem is brittle firing pins on some of 'em. I've snapped firing pins on Rossis before, had others that I've had no problems with . You can fit a Smith K frame firing pin to a Rossi if that happens. Seems the old K frame pins are better. I've had forcing cone problems with K frames, but not firing pin problems, though I really prefer the frame mounted firing pins of Taurus and Ruger revolvers.
Perhaps in a perfect world, new revolvers would be sold without having to look them over. The purchaser could be revolver stupid and still expect to get a good gun. Hell, in a perfect world all used cars would be perfect and all used car salesmen would be honest. Such is just not the case now days.
I've got 3 excellent Taurus revolvers, as I've stated previous on this thread, and a couple of Rossis. The one problem I've had with Rossi that still seems to be a problem is brittle firing pins on some of 'em. I've snapped firing pins on Rossis before, had others that I've had no problems with . You can fit a Smith K frame firing pin to a Rossi if that happens. Seems the old K frame pins are better. I've had forcing cone problems with K frames, but not firing pin problems, though I really prefer the frame mounted firing pins of Taurus and Ruger revolvers.
Perhaps in a perfect world, new revolvers would be sold without having to look them over. The purchaser could be revolver stupid and still expect to get a good gun. Hell, in a perfect world all used cars would be perfect and all used car salesmen would be honest. Such is just not the case now days.
MCgunner: Ya that was my first time buying a gun without checking it over first and I regret it everyday lol. You said Ruger is your favorite which also happens to be my favorite brand I've just had the best luck with them. Do you have an LCR by any chance because I've pretty much made up my mind that after I sell this Rossi when I get it back that I really want to try out the LCR with the boot grip and night sight but I've heard mixed reviews on the LCR also. Seems most people love them but there have been some issues that I don't know if Ruger has addressed yet. I've got a P90 that's my favorite and easy to concel during winter months because I normally wear a hoody but the LCR would be nice for summer months or when hiking things like that.
MCgunner
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I've got a P90, too, excellent weapon. No, I don't have an LCR. I had a Security Six I traded off 20 years ago for the .357 Blackhawk I have now and I had a SP101 for a little while. I'd be looking at the LCR if I needed a .38, but I have a very excellent Taurus M85SSUL I bought new in 96. It's all I need for snubby .38s. It shoots 3" at 25 yards, 17 ounces, and has a sweet trigger. +P is a might rough with the boot grip it came with, but it hides well and is pocketable.
I really don't want a LCR, but would like another SP101, this time a 3", but here again, I have a fine shooting older Taurus 66 3" that fills the niche well. The SP101 is in no way a pocket revolver and the Taurus rides in a JIT slide about as well. The LCR would make a rather excellent pocket .38, great trigger on 'em, and I hear it's coming out in .357 magnum. I've fired a 12 ounce scandium Smith .357 and I think I'll take a pass on a 13 ounce .357. I'd never fire .357 in the gun. That Smith hurt to shoot. Besides, I think 9x19 pocket guns make more sense than .357 pocket guns and I have a Kel Tec I prefer.
I really liked that SP101, though. It was built STRONG, loved the design, and I might get myself one of those, especially if I could run across a used one sometime in a gun shop for a decent price. I kinds of miss it.
I really don't want a LCR, but would like another SP101, this time a 3", but here again, I have a fine shooting older Taurus 66 3" that fills the niche well. The SP101 is in no way a pocket revolver and the Taurus rides in a JIT slide about as well. The LCR would make a rather excellent pocket .38, great trigger on 'em, and I hear it's coming out in .357 magnum. I've fired a 12 ounce scandium Smith .357 and I think I'll take a pass on a 13 ounce .357. I'd never fire .357 in the gun. That Smith hurt to shoot. Besides, I think 9x19 pocket guns make more sense than .357 pocket guns and I have a Kel Tec I prefer.
I really liked that SP101, though. It was built STRONG, loved the design, and I might get myself one of those, especially if I could run across a used one sometime in a gun shop for a decent price. I kinds of miss it.
Taurus has staked out their target market. We should know by now that we mostly, but not always, get what we pay for. They sell cheaply made guns for cheap prices. I owned one about 20 years ago. Haven't had one since. I own Colts, S&Ws,CZs, Berettas,Rugers,etc. They cost a liitle more than Tauri but have been mostly trouble free. YMMV.
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I bought a Taurus M94 revolver a year or so ago. What a POS. A company that can't make a .22lr revolver shouldn't be trusted to make anything else.
Friends don't let friends buy Taurus
I bought a Taurus M94 revolver a year or so ago. What a POS. A company that can't make a .22lr revolver shouldn't be trusted to make anything else.
Friends don't let friends buy Taurus
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