My GLOCK jammed!

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Speaking strictly for myself here, I want no part of a weapon used for self-defense that is in any way "sensitive" to the way it is being held in terms of functioning reliably when compared to its counterparts

Then you had better stay away from 1911's and Springfield XD's.
If you don't hold them properly, then the grip-safety cannot be deactivated.

You're quite right and it's the reason I don't like grip safeties on pistols I carry for self-defense. Long before retiring and just after starting my career in le, I wanted to carry my Colt 1911 with the grip safety pinned shut, as was the practice with some shooters back in the day. My agency refused to to permit me to do so, not because this manner of carry is intrinsically unsafe but because they feared legal repercussions. Given the propensity of our litigious-happy society to find fault with innocent, common-sense, they probably were wise in refusing my request-though, at the time, I lacked a certain perspective and prudent insight so prevalent in the young, so I managed to harbor a misplaced resentment for a time. I got over it. :)
 
Wait, timeout. Before this turns into 50 pages of my guns more reliable than your gun...........

The round jammed bad. Real bad. Couldn't get it out. So you decided to push close, into battery and shoot said defective round!!!:what:

That might not have ended well, and this could have been a KB story. Don't use Rem UMC ammo. None of my guns like that garbage. This is 100% ammo problem, not pistol problem.



ps: If you crack the case and fold it over, NO, a 1911 will not feed that either.
 
remington UMC ammo is garbage. i've gotten entire boxes where not one round was crimped and the bullet would sink down into the shell.

recently i decided to try some more UMC to see if they got their act together-NOPE. 6 rounds came with the bullets alread pushed so far into the shells you can hardly see them.

i sent remington an email, and they responded that they want me to send them "the suspect rounds" for evaluation, and they might replace them. not sure if i will or not. however, definitely not buying this brand again.
 
Don't ANY of you Glock lovers (NOT meant in a derogatory way) see the irony that a guy named BOATS is TROLLING? and with just a little verbal chum has the school of Glock fish churned into a feeding frenzy! It would have been much more productive to just ignore him and he will go away. If a fisherman doesn't catch any fish he will move on to another spot! Much of the discussion by and about him has added nothing to the discussion that is worth merit. This thread should have died about 70 posts ago. But that is just my OPINION, don't kill me.

I think we established a long time ago that....

1. The Glock wasn't at fault so anyone's opinion of them is irrelevant
2. The ammo was the culprit
3. And UMC is crap way too often.

What more is there to say? Lets use all that brain power on a more interesting topic.
 
Y'know, Jon...I gotta agree. Not a great fan of Glocks myself, but it's mainly because they just don't fit my hand, and that makes it sybjective and thus has no place in a discission over whether the gun is any good or not. Glocks are fine. If they were junk, they could never have had the fan base they now enjoy.

Boats isn't really a troll...not by the pure definition of the term. He just hates Glocks and can't seem to let an opportunity go by to expound on that fact. It seems to be an obsession...and the reasons for it are a matter of conjecture. But...It is what it is.

The malfunction in this instance was clearly caused by the ammunition. Holding the gun accountable for bad ammunition is rather like holding the car to blame for choking on cheap gas. It just doesn't follow any sort of logical thought process.

And...UMC ammunition has had its share of complaints recently. Like every other manufacturer...the quest for a decent profit margin has led the company to search for cheaper ways to produce it. And, like anything else...that practice eventually reaches a point of diminishing returns.

Finally...The "IGNORE" feature is fully operational. If he gets on your nerves...hit the button. Simpler to just skip over post made by someone who throws out nonsensical, thread-derailing comments.
 
Boats isn't really a troll...not by the pure definition of the term. He just hates Glocks and can't seem to let an opportunity go by to expound on that fact. It seems to be an obsession...and the reasons for it are a matter of conjecture. But...It is what it is.

1911tuner

You are a very smart guy with a ton of knowledge I will defer to you on most things as I respect your opinion.

I do have to ask you definition of "troll" since you say that Boats is not one. He drops into unrelated threads and makes silly accusations with no facts or data behind him (and refuses to back up his crazy assertions when asked). In addition he is no slave to the truth and goes out of his way to say ridiculous things ("Gaston Glock is a Nazi")

If that is not a troll, what is?
 
Gaston Glock is a Nazi? Unbelievable, though I suppose he is old enough that it's possible he was fought in some capacity during WWII. Being an eighty-plus Austrian is no grounds to automatically label someone a Nazi.
 
If someone continues to hijack the thread from the original post or keeps posting unrelated comments, report the poster/post #'s to the moderator of the category. Johnny Guest and XavierBreath are moderators for Handguns-Autoloaders. Otherwise, if responses get heated/emotional, then the thread may get closed. Simpler to have the offender corrected/banned. ;)
 
BOATS said:
Gravity doesn't fail nearly as much as Glocks do.

:eek:

actually gravity never fails. that would be a defiance of the laws of physics.

glock gen3's aren't the most popular pistols in the world because they suck.

i wouldn't say they're the most reliable pistols i own though, 2 of mine have jammed. my CZ's have never had a problem though, so they get my vote for most reliable. :)
 
If that is not a troll, what is?

Well...In spite of his shortcomings, Boats has made some good contributions to several discussions. True trolls do nothig but create problems. Trollish behavior is sometimes seen among other members...but all it normally takes to correct it is a gentle nudge in the right direction. Some just can't help themselves, and keep doing it until they're banned...even though they have made some useful contributions in the past. I've seen very good members get banned over one outraged response on a hot-button topic.

So...Trollish at times? Yes. Troll for the sake of the behavior? No...though it seems that it's gotten a little worse of late. Sad.
 
So...Trollish at times? Yes

fair enough 1911Tuner. (I hope the pack is well)

Gaston Glock is a Nazi

One of Boats outrageous claims...just using it to discuss the definition of "troll". Actually I kind of regret using it as an example because it keeps the crazy accusation alive
 
Gaston Glock

Service in German Army During World War II

In September 2009 Business Week reported that Glock founder Gaston Glock “spent a few days in camps of the German Army in 1944 or 1945.” According to the article, Gaston became familiar with the working of rifles and pistols at the Wehrmacht camp. He was 15 or 16 years old at the time. Glock has never publicly stated what this service entailed or whether other family members also served in the German Army.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaston_Glock

Post Forbes article about Gaston Glock
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Top Gun
Dyan Machan, 03.31.03
Inside the secret and violent world of Gaston Glock, maker of the most popular firearm in U.S. law enforcement.

He is the man behind the gun. You don't mess with Gaston Glock.

His most trusted associate allegedly tried. Lured into a dimly lit garage in Luxembourg by his colleague Charles Ewert, the Austrian Glock stopped to look at a sports car at Ewert's suggestion. Suddenly, a massive masked man leaped from behind and smashed a rubber mallet into Glock's skull. Ewert fled to the stairwell. "I am a coward," he later told Forbes. With Glock off balance, the attacker landed another crushing blow. "I was fighting for my life," recalls Glock, 73, during a rare interview with the press.

Springing up on legs toned by miles of daily swimming, Glock thrust his enormous fist into his assailant's eye socket. As the would-be assassin staggered, Glock pounded again, knocking out a few of the man's teeth. The bloodied attacker staggered, then collapsed on top of Glock "with his arms outstretched like Jesus Christ," according to John Paul Frising, Luxembourg's deputy attorney general, who brought attempted murder charges against the attacker, the French-born Jacques (Spartacus) Pêcheur, 67. This was how the police found the two men at 9:30 a.m. on July 27, 1999.

Glock says he lost a quart of blood from cuts and abrasions and that he suffered seven head wounds. Yet as soon as he reached the hospital he summoned his personal bankers at UBS and Banque Ferrier Lullin. The banks held $70 million in cash, and Ewert had access to it all. By 12:30 p.m. Glock managed to move $40 million to a Swiss account. But by then Ewert had blocked the other $30 million with a court order. As he nursed his injuries, Glock wondered how he could have trusted the wrong man.

Last November Ewert was arrested and thrown into a Luxembourg jail, awaiting a Mar. 12 verdict following a three-week nonjury trial for attempted murder. If found guilty, Ewert could face up to 30 years in jail. He maintains his innocence, claiming he was framed--either by one of Glock's lawyers or family members or by the Austrian government--in order to be cheated out of his share of the company.

To appreciate the magnitude of this apparent betrayal, consider that the relationship between the two men had been a factor in the success of Glock GmbH. Ewert, a business consultant who once worked for the Luxembourg stock exchange, worked with Glock for 15 years as Glock's little-known gun became the sidearm of choice for U.S. law enforcement.

The U.S. police business was once dominated by Smith & Wesson and Beretta. Then in 1985 along came Glock with a gun made from a nylon resin that was tough enough to be made into most parts of a pistol (except the carbon steel barrel). The Glock was also revolutionary for its simple design--34 parts, compared with 60 or so for the Smith & Wesson .45 caliber semiautomatic--and its 24-ounce weight, to 25.4 ounces for the Smith & Wesson. A Glock shooter experiences a softer recoil because the gun's polymer frame flexes slightly when it's fired. Glock fans include the New York City police, U.S. Special Forces, the FBI and many international antiterrorist units.

These days Glock GmbH has an estimated $100 million in sales, two-thirds of it from the trigger-happy United States. A gun that retails for $500 can be manufactured for $75, and the company has a pretax margin nearing 60%, estimates John Farnam of Defense Training International, a LaPorte, Colo. small arms instructor.

Success has not made Glock, a highly secretive and taciturn man, any more trusting of the people around him. He has a few very high-profile friends. Among them: Pope John Paul II and Jörg Haider, former leader of Austria's ultraright Freedom Party and a Hitler admirer. At his lakefront mansion in Velden, Austria, Glock's favorite room is in the basement, where he can control the smallest detail of his home's inner workings, including the temperature of the tiles in his upstairs bathroom. He flies his own Cessna Citation jet wherever he travels. "There are fewer crazy people in the air," he says.

From his headquarters in Deutsch-Wagram, near Vienna, Glock has run through seven U.S. sales managers in 11 years. Last month his top lieutenant in the U.S., Paul Jannuzzo, a tightly wound former New Jersey prosecutor and 12-year veteran of the company, resigned as general counsel and chief operating officer.

"Jannuzzo went crazy," says Glock, without further explanation. (A source close to the company says Jannuzzo was frustrated and had tried to quit before.) Jannuzzo, 46, and Glock clashed and agreed to part ways after the annual Shot Show gun convention in Orlando, Fla. last month. Glock had hoped to retain Jannuzzo as his general counsel while assigning the operational duties to another employee. Jannuzzo will remain Glock's outside counsel and declines to comment on the situation, though he earlier told FORBES, "Mr. Glock does not shy away from a fight."

He should know. Jannuzzo spearheaded Glock's efforts to kill the Clinton Administration's voluntary gun-control effort in 2000--it was that or face a multitude of tobacco-like government-sponsored lawsuits. "Extortionist," is how Glock refers to the measures that would have introduced an oversight committee, as well as restrict how guns are sold. (The company's obstinacy resulted in 28 liability suits filed by municipalities claiming that Glock is responsible for murders committed with its weapons; 11 suits remain.) Jannuzzo also led a successful patent infringement suit against Smith & Wesson, which created a gun that looked a lot like a Glock--"I felt like my wallet was stolen," Glock hisses--and resulted in an undisclosed multimillion-dollar settlement. And Jannuzzo acted as pit bull in notifying 12 record labels that the company objects to artists using the word "Glock" in rap songs such as Dr. Dre's "*****es Ain't ****," mainly out of fear that Glock's name will become a generic term for handgun.

Glock is now more than ever a one-man show. His two sons, Robert and Gaston Jr., and his daughter, Brigitte, have company jobs but limited authority. When asked what her role is, Brigitte cracks in German, "Being my father's personal slave." Who has input into product development? Showing rare humor, Glock smiles: "You might call it 'a very small committee.'"

And so it has been since the beginning. Back in 1981 Glock was producing plastic grenade shells for the Austrian army, in addition to plastic curtain-rod rings. One day he overheard two colonels complain that no gun existed that could meet their specifications. When Glock offered to make one, they laughed at him.

"You do not laugh at Mr. Glock," says Christopher Edwards, the burly former deputy sheriff of Jefferson County, Ky., who now runs Glock's training program in Smyrna, Ga. "He takes that personally."

Glock never doubted he could make a superior gun. "That I knew nothing was my advantage," he says. He worked on his weapon nightly in his basement. He test-fired it with his left hand so if it blew up, he could still draw a blueprint with his right. "I learned to stay out of his way," smiles his wife, Helga. The firearm surpassed all competition, and he received the army's order for 25,000 guns in 1983.

But Glock was eager to grow. Two years later he traveled to Luxembourg, a country where holding companies are not subject to income or capital gains taxation. During a chance encounter on a street in the city of Luxembourg, Glock asked a businessman if he knew someone who could help him expand his fledgling enterprise. "I am your man," said Charles Ewert, who claimed he had international connections.

He also had a reputation that Glock had not been aware of. Ewert had a habit of forming offshore companies to hold business interests for people who requested that sort of thing, earning him the sobriquet "Panama Charly." The two agreed that Glock would employ Unipatent, a shell company Ewert owned, to hold the shares of subsidiaries Glock set up to sell his guns. Unipatent, it turns out, had a dubious history. Ewert had bought the shell, which was once owned by Hakki Yaman Namli, a Turkish financier. Namli controlled the First Merchants Bank in Cyprus, and was convicted, along with the bank, of laundering $450 million in 2000. (The conviction was overturned a year later.) During the trial Namli insisted the bank was owned by Ewert.

Whatever his connections, Ewert became a public face of Glock outside Austria. Glock himself concentrated on manufacturing. In 1985 the company opened a U.S. subsidiary in Smyrna to promote sales to policemen. Good move. With the rise of drug-related crime, cops did not want to be outgunned by criminals and were trading in their six-shot revolvers for semiautomatic pistols. The Glock 17 held 18 rounds and, because it was cheap to make, few competitors could beat it on price. Its relatively few parts also made it simple to service.

Ewert opened offices in Hong Kong, France, Switzerland and Uruguay. Glock was pleased and told his family and executives that if anything ever happened to him, they should go to Ewert. "I was considered the eldest son," says Ewert, now 49.

All that changed in the spring of 1999. Glock received a call from a Geneva employee Ewert had fired. He claimed that Ewert had siphoned off corporate funds to buy a house in Switzerland, and hinted at other misdeeds. Glock brushed off the allegations as sour grapes. But to put his mind at rest, he asked Ewert for a meeting. That's when he got the rubber hammer in the head.

After his recovery from the attack, Glock says he discovered that Ewert had created dozens of offshore companies that appeared affiliated with the gunmaker, all with slightly different names and addresses. As much as $100 million, Glock's lawyers allege, had been stolen and shifted into companies Ewert controlled. Beginning in 1989, says Deputy AG Frising, Ewert was progressively taking control of Unipatent and its chief asset, U.S.-based Glock Inc. Glock's lawyers allege that Ewert awarded himself new shares in Unipatent in return for $600,000. Ewert maintains through his attorney that he did nothing without Glock's consent.

Both Ewert and Glock claim ownership of Unipatent. Each accuses the other of owning a phony set of unregistered bearer shares. "Glock says I have less than 5% of Unipatent? Glock is a nut!" says Ewert. A Luxembourg court will settle the dispute.

Ewert is unlikely to be much of a further irritant. Even if he is not convicted of attempted murder, he may face additional charges in Luxembourg for forgery, embezzlement and fraud, according to Frising, whose investigation is still pending. Failing that, he could be extradited to the U.S. Last November he was indicted on three federal counts of wire fraud in Georgia.

Glock looks forward to getting back to business--making guns and fighting what Jannuzzo calls "dumb-*** lawsuits." He's also aiming at new markets. "Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, South Africa and Hungary all have forces carrying 40-year-old guns," says Glock's marketing director, Herbert Weikinger. But before he can elaborate, Glock sends him out of the room for talking out of turn.

"The attack was the best thing that happened to me," says Glock in his heavily accented English. "Otherwise, I would have gone on trusting Ewert."
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If you thought it was going to explode why would you shoot it at all?? That is really disingenuous. There is no way I would shoot a weapon I thought was unsafe. I doubt HIGHLY that he did that.
 
If you thought it was going to explode why would you shoot it at all?? That is really disingenuous. There is no way I would shoot a weapon I thought was unsafe. I doubt HIGHLY that he did that.

He was presaging the Glock fotay hand grenade.:D
 
It's logical, just funny. I'd still be nervous even after my prototype passed the "vise" portion of testing.

Shoot, I only load three rounds a time in my mags after I do some custom work on my pistols for at least 50 rounds. In case they fail and go auto.
 
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