it seems to me that whenever something is "New and Improved!" it always has bugs that need worked out, regardless of what the product is (cough, Toyota, cough, cough). I love my Gen 3 Glock, and the next gun I plan to buy is going to be a Gen 3 Glock 21. It'll probably be awhile before I'd decide to buy a Gen 4. That's just me.
My most unreliable new gun ever: Glock 17 Gen 4
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boomstik45
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I too have heard that the guide rod spring is too tough for the ligher, practice/plinker 9mm rounds.
On the one hand, Glock probably hates that they made a mistake with this, but will they change it or tell people to shoot heavier/more powerful loads? Time will tell, but if I were Glock, I'd err on the side of customer satisfaction. Then again, it ain't my money or my company.
On the other hand, that's great news for .40 and .357 sig shooters. A friend of mine who is a serious Glocker has shot the Gen 4 model 22 and says there is noticeably less snap to it with this new spring. Me likey the sound of that....
I like the comments about "it oughta be reliable right out of the box" and all that. Sounds like a bit of vindication for a long-suffering anti-glock/pro-1911 type...LOL....
I'm not worried about the G17 being oversprung. If I wanted a 9, I may not even go with a Glock. Now a Springfield XD-M, that's another matter.
On the one hand, Glock probably hates that they made a mistake with this, but will they change it or tell people to shoot heavier/more powerful loads? Time will tell, but if I were Glock, I'd err on the side of customer satisfaction. Then again, it ain't my money or my company.
On the other hand, that's great news for .40 and .357 sig shooters. A friend of mine who is a serious Glocker has shot the Gen 4 model 22 and says there is noticeably less snap to it with this new spring. Me likey the sound of that....
I like the comments about "it oughta be reliable right out of the box" and all that. Sounds like a bit of vindication for a long-suffering anti-glock/pro-1911 type...LOL....
I'm not worried about the G17 being oversprung. If I wanted a 9, I may not even go with a Glock. Now a Springfield XD-M, that's another matter.
boomstik45
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I don't know that I want a Gen 4 model 22 anyway. I want to see how they hold up with their new guide rod setup.
In the meantime, a Glock 23 RTF or Springfield XD-M 3.8 is calling my name....
In the meantime, a Glock 23 RTF or Springfield XD-M 3.8 is calling my name....
Gato Montés
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Is there a consistency to which rounds are stovepiping? That is to say, is it always the last rounds in the mag; the first rounds, etc?
ForumSurfer
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My Gen4 17 ran just fine?
I guess I'm lucky. I just ran 400 rounds through it Sunday. I'm not doubting your problems. Maybe it's a QC issue at Glock?
I ran a variety of FMJ only rounds through it. I never had a single malfunction. No break in whatsoever. I racked the slide and dry fired it several dozen times before I got the chance to actually shoot it, that’s it. It still had the bronze factory lube on it. I was even able to adapt to the trigger nicely (I'm a 1911 guy mostly) and fire accurate double taps. Didn't take long to adjust to the trigger reset, either. Shoots as pleasantly as any other g17 or 19 that I've shot. I couldn't tell a difference with the new recoil spring. Maybe if I shot a gen3 and 4 back to back that would be a different story.
After reading about some failures, I was a bit nervous. Since this was my first Glock, I wanted to buy it, take it out of the box as new and shoot it with no issues. Luckily for me, that happened.
I also have a Kimber Pro CDP II that hit the 2800 round mark this weekend with no issues. I’ve heard horror stories with these, as well. Maybe I’m just lucky and I should start playing the lotto?
Yes, Boomstick that XD 3.8 is very nice. I probably would have went home with one of those instead of a Gen4 17 had I knew about them.
I won’t let all the rumors sway my opinion as my experience has been a good one. I’ll probably add a G33 to my collection unless the Gen 4 G19 is impressive enough to sway my opinion.
I guess I'm lucky. I just ran 400 rounds through it Sunday. I'm not doubting your problems. Maybe it's a QC issue at Glock?
I ran a variety of FMJ only rounds through it. I never had a single malfunction. No break in whatsoever. I racked the slide and dry fired it several dozen times before I got the chance to actually shoot it, that’s it. It still had the bronze factory lube on it. I was even able to adapt to the trigger nicely (I'm a 1911 guy mostly) and fire accurate double taps. Didn't take long to adjust to the trigger reset, either. Shoots as pleasantly as any other g17 or 19 that I've shot. I couldn't tell a difference with the new recoil spring. Maybe if I shot a gen3 and 4 back to back that would be a different story.
After reading about some failures, I was a bit nervous. Since this was my first Glock, I wanted to buy it, take it out of the box as new and shoot it with no issues. Luckily for me, that happened.
I also have a Kimber Pro CDP II that hit the 2800 round mark this weekend with no issues. I’ve heard horror stories with these, as well. Maybe I’m just lucky and I should start playing the lotto?
Yes, Boomstick that XD 3.8 is very nice. I probably would have went home with one of those instead of a Gen4 17 had I knew about them.
I won’t let all the rumors sway my opinion as my experience has been a good one. I’ll probably add a G33 to my collection unless the Gen 4 G19 is impressive enough to sway my opinion.
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SwampWolf, I am with you on this IF the gun's price is on the high end. When you price your product as top of the line, it should perform like top of the line.
However, I think when a person buys a cheaply-priced gun, such as the Kel-tecs, they should understand that sometimes the term "break-in" implies that a lot of the extra work, quality control, testing,etc. has been somewhat dampened down in order to seek a competitive price advantage. At least, that is the approach I take. The new guns I have purchased include a new Colt 1991 and a new SIG 239, along with four Kel-tecs.
With those guns, I took your approach with the first two - I field-stripped, cleaned and oiled, and expected them to perform from day one, and they did.
With the Kel-tecs, I took my approach and, after the clean and oil, I invited them to the range for the break-in rounds. Probably with some luck involved, the few problems I experienced with the Kel-tecs went away after anywhere from 50 to 200 rounds.
(As the Old Disc Jockey used to say, "that's my opinion - it oughta be yours")
outerlimit
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Looks like Glock finally made a Delorean.
vtbluegrass
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New rule for firearms manufacturers. Make dang certain you gun will fire and cycle WWB. This constitutes about 80% of the ammo that will be fired in the gun. Glock is not doing themselves any favors. The civilian market in slipping to XD's and a ton of leo's are going to M&P's.
It may be cliched to say a gun should work out of the box. Too many guns work out of the box in this day in age for yours to not. If it does not you have lost a customer.
It may be cliched to say a gun should work out of the box. Too many guns work out of the box in this day in age for yours to not. If it does not you have lost a customer.
gtmtnbiker98
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What? But Glocks never fail!!! Tell that to the Kool-Aid drinkers.
REAPER4206969
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Glock dominates both markets, and that's just in the U.S. What is the XD's and M&P's world wide market share?
REAPER4206969
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This Glock Flavor-Aid drinker already told you people that the GEN4 doesn't count.
JohnBT
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"What is the XD's and M&P's world wide market share? "
Whatever it is, it seems to be increasing.
Maybe Glock will get it right with v.5
Whatever it is, it seems to be increasing.
Maybe Glock will get it right with v.5
REAPER4206969
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Not really. Especially the XD (HS2000). The only LE/MIL that uses the HS2000 is Croatia. The M&P is doing better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S&W_M&P
Glock owns the world wide handgun market, and has since the 80's.
Full Metal Jacket
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glock gen4's are a sad attempt to slow down the m&p's momentum in the LE market.
there's malfunction issues surfacing all over the internet forums. stick with the gen3's.
there's malfunction issues surfacing all over the internet forums. stick with the gen3's.
ForumSurfer
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I just relalized that Glock vs everyone else sounds alot like stuff on the computer message boards.
Glock is the Microsoft Corporation of the handgun world...
Glock has a product that out-sells the competition. They have no need to change it until a niche product starts grabbing a few sales. Hence the RTF and Gen4 models. I doubt Glock will make radical changes, only subtle changes. Depending on sales and public acceptance of these Gen4's, they'll gradually improve the improvements or scrap the idea and go a different way. The Gen4 maybe Glock's Vista...the next Gen may be released sooner than anticipated. Or maybe Gen4.1...
Either way, I have my Gen4 and happy with it no matter who tells me it's crap. I haven't experienced a jam on my first 400 or so round break in session. If I go another 1000 rounds with no issues, I'll assume it was money well spent. I do think Glock's backstrap is kind of a cheesy solution compared to others, but it worked. The hump just isn't as pronounced as the older 17's. I always said "If they altered that hump I'd buy one for a full sized range/home defense weapon..." So I did.
KBintheSLC
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Sorry to hear you are having troubles with your new Glock. Remember that every company can produce defective products at some point. None of my 3 Glock's have ever had a failure, but that doesn't mean it can't happen. Hopefully, they identify the issue and get you taken care of. Please let us know how they treat you.
ForumSurfer
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I think many of us would like to hear how this pans out if you contact Glock.
I know I would, especially as a Gen4 Glock 17 owner!
Mine has had no issues and performs flawlessly, but I would like to know how I would be treated IF I had any trouble.
I know I would, especially as a Gen4 Glock 17 owner!
Mine has had no issues and performs flawlessly, but I would like to know how I would be treated IF I had any trouble.
boomstik45
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I wouldn't call the Gen 4 Glock a piece of crap. The weapon may or may not have problems in the 9mm version, and obviously it's not a problem for absolutely everybody that gets one.
As for Glock ruling whatever handgun world....ehhhhh...you know how that stuff goes. Just because it outsells everything else doesn't make it the best. Ford's F-150 outsold nearly all automobiles for years. But what about the people who had no need for a truck? Was it still the best vehicle in the world?
By the way, if you don't have the money, don't pick up one of those new Springfield XD-M 3.8 pistols. I picked it up, had to put it down and run out of the store before my wallet climbed out of my pants and ran to the cash register....
I wouldn't call the Gen 4 Glock a piece of crap. The weapon may or may not have problems in the 9mm version, and obviously it's not a problem for absolutely everybody that gets one.
As for Glock ruling whatever handgun world....ehhhhh...you know how that stuff goes. Just because it outsells everything else doesn't make it the best. Ford's F-150 outsold nearly all automobiles for years. But what about the people who had no need for a truck? Was it still the best vehicle in the world?
By the way, if you don't have the money, don't pick up one of those new Springfield XD-M 3.8 pistols. I picked it up, had to put it down and run out of the store before my wallet climbed out of my pants and ran to the cash register....
REAPER4206969
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If you have a need for an auto-loading service class combat pistol, Glock is the world wide standard.<---That's a period.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=4&t=92231
Full Metal Jacket
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it was fun watching rob leatham clear 3 malfunctions from the XDM 9mm he was shooting in an exhibition on the sportsman's chnnl.
he can do it so quickly, it's easy to miss. must get a lot of practice....
With all of the millions of failure free rounds sent downrange from Gen 1, 2, and 3 Glock 17s why the hell did they have to go and screw with their design?
Maybe they're trying to bring the number of 9mm Glock failures up to the level of all of the other caliber Glocks.
Maybe they're trying to bring the number of 9mm Glock failures up to the level of all of the other caliber Glocks.
Zach S
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If you have a need for an auto-loading service class combat pistol, Glock is the best bang for the buck.<---That's a period, too.
I've seen broken everything, except SIG. Much like ten second Hondas, I've read about a few, and seen a few online, but I've never actually seen one with my own eyes.
I should known better than to click on this thread. I knew you'd be in here with the kool aid saying "drink it! drink it!"
IMTHDUKE
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You can have problem with all brand guns....but I sold my Glock 17 for that reason. Just didn't wont to fool with it.
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