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My regional manager would have a heart attack...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Nashmack, Apr 1, 2006.

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  1. Nashmack

    Nashmack Member

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    The week before last, one of my coworkers happened to notice the muzzle and end on my holster sticking out of the bottom of my shirt while we were working, and naturally he was a little bit curious as to what I had underneath there. We started talking about it, and kind of casually he mentioned that he hadn't shot a pistol since he left the Army back in '88. I took the opportunity to invite him to the range, and we went shooting on Monday.

    Now he's been talking to most of our coworkers, and I was astonished to learn that most of them would also like to take a trip to the range with us. Most of them have never fired a pistol, and some of them have never even seen a gun up close.

    Now on Tuesday, the company sent out a letter to all employees about "preventing violence in the workplace". They listed a few items that they claimed were examples of workplace violence, and among these were "knowledge of weapons and firearms" and "posession of a firearm". This really irked me something fierce, as I have a NH pistol permit, which gives me the right to carry concealed. It must really have struck a chord with the other workers as well, as now we're planning a trip to the range with about 9 people, out of about 24 employees at the branch where I work.

    Does anyone out there know if I'm in the wrong here for sharing my hobbies with my coworkers, or if my company is in the wrong for telling me that posession of a firearm is an act of violence? Any input you have would be much appreciated ;)
     
  2. Chipperman

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    "Knowledge of Firearms" is workplace violence???? :confused:

    The workplace is private property, so they can forbid guns there if they want. It's up to you to decide if you still want to work there if that is the case. Sounds like the letter was a "warning shot" to you.

    Look at your employee manual. If it does not state that guns are forbidden, then they cannot legally take action against you without telling you first that your gun is verboten.

    Take your coworkers shooting, but keep gun talk on the down low until you get a better idea of your employer's agenda.
     
  3. Nashmack

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    Even my manager is receptive to the idea of me carrying, theres nothing in the manual that prohibits weapons of any kind, and none of the entrances are posted. The letter was sent out to all branches from the corporate office, which is in Maryland (this is the same place that sent out letters saying that a head on collision in your car at 35 MPH was equivilant to walking into a brick wall).
     
  4. antsi

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    I think the person who sent out the letter is being a weenie, but he's not alone in that.

    "Knowledge of weapons?" What are you supposed to do, go get a lobotomy so as to destroy your knowledge?

    Check your company policy to see if they have rules against carrying on company property. Although you may be legally entitled to carry at work as far as the state criminal authorities are concerned, your employer can probably fire you for doing so if it is against company policy.

    I would say go ahead with the range trip(s). If you are not on company time or on the company clock, I don't see how they can object to it.

    Obviously I would consider more discretion when discussing firearms at work. Your buddy seems to have stirred up the company's weenie contingent by talking to everyone and their brother about your carrying.
     
  5. Nashmack

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    Oh I also fergot to mention, about 50% of our workforce are veterans, so of course they know their way around a rifle.
     
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    Boy!!! Classic example of meaningless phrasing from a mindless beauracrat. Worthy only of being ignored....
     
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    Nashmack,
    If 50% of your company's workforce are vetrens, do they have a formal policy about giving vets preferential hiring treatment? If so what would be their response to having the contrdiction pointed out? Of course if you can get someone else to do the pointing, you might stay below the non-PC radar.
     
  8. Nashmack

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    There is no policy on preferential hiring.
     
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    Sounds like you're in the clear then.

    Go ahead and take your coworkers shooting, just tone down the gun talk at work (At least until you figure out who the weenies are).
     
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    The more people that you take to the range the better. Demystifying firearms for as many people as possible is one of the surest ways to counter anti firearms folks because they depend upon the ignorance of the public for their propaganda to work.

    It would be helpful if you actually posted or quoted what was sent out. Paraphrasing may lead to a biased interpretation of the actual document that you never intended.

    When could we get a look?
     
  11. Nashmack

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    I'll grab another sheet when I go to work Sunday morning and scan it in as soon as I have a chance.
     
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    Lack of knowledge is far more dangerous.
     
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    Our most recent company 'preventing workplace violence' training cautions us to inform on anyone that even mentions guns or weapons of any kinds. Discussions of firearms are a warning sign.

    I think it's a common thread throughout corporate beehives, probably the idea of a lawyer. The corporate training is more butt-coverage than actually helpful sometimes.

    jmm
     
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    ANTSI -"Knowledge of weapons?" What are you supposed to do, go get a lobotomy so as to destroy your knowledge?..."
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    That is precisely what the anti-guns bliss ninnies would love to do to us.

    L.W.
     
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    I would call the main office and talk to someone who knows the companies rules on carry weapons on their property. I would not be suprised if they say it is not allowed. It is a decision made by their attorneys based on the fear of a lawsuit if a employee goes postal and kills people. It is now up to you decide if you still want to work there if they barr you from carrying on their property.
     
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    Do not ask them!!
    If it's not in writing now, you're fine.
    If you ask them, they will put it in writing; and then you're screwed.
     
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    Two points.

    1) CCW is not a hobby

    2) You were made. That was a mistake. Learn from it.
     
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    What kind of work do you do? What is you working environment like?
     
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    The biggest problem I have with that story is he saw your CCW. Here in oregon you can actually be carged with "brandishing" it is becomes at all visible.
     
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    That's bull. I RAN into a brick wall before. Other then my pride and a few scrapes I wasn't hurt.

    Now the car I would have a piss porr chance of surviving.

    -Bill
     
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    "Knowledge Of Firearms?"

    So, does this mean that your employer discriminates against all military veterans by NOT hiring them... because of their "firearms knowledge?" Or by selectively harrassing the ones that are there?

    Any other examples out there with fellow THRs?

    This could be a great Discrimination In The Workplace lawsuit in-the-making (and one that's long-overdue).

    Bring it on, corporate Libsnots.
     
  22. Justin

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    Absolutely not.

    If there's a chance you could get reprimanded or fired over it, I'd keep the discussions on the down-low, but otherwise there is no need to hide your interests in shooting.

    It has been my general observation that those who go on shooting sprees don't generally have much knowledge about their weapons, other than maybe reading the manual.
     
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    Interesting linkage between thought and violence. I'm sure its all for nice and legal reasons, but it does indeed eedo take us one more step toward thought control---all for nice and legal reasons.
     
  24. MatthewVanitas

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    Kudos for standing up for what you believe in.

    If anything is going to destroy gun rights in America, it's going to be the people that are ashamed to admit their support of individual liberty.

    I hope your range trips work out well, send us an update!

    -MV
     
  25. Nashmack

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    I can give ya an update on the range trip that started it all...

    I took my coworker Tom to the range, along with a Hi Power, Taurus PT111 Millenium 9MM, Rossi .38 snub, and a Zastava Model 70 .32. We fired an even 400 rounds of 9MM, 50 rounds of .32, and approximately 100 rounds of .38 special +P. Tom had in his words "a helluva good time" and thanked me for bringing him, then asked me how much money I wanted for my HP. As far as accuracy is concerned, well we weren't too concerned with it, as long as we weren't hitting the target carriers, support columns, walls, or cieling tiles. 99.9% of the shots stayed on the paper, and we totally blew out the 10 rings on 4 seperate targets.

    As soon as we get paid again, I'll be taking my coworker down to the shop where I do most of my business, and I'll be trasferring the Hi Power to him, and also picking up a 1911. I'm trying to plan another range trip for next Monday, it depends on everyone's schedules, but I'll keep yall posted as to how it turns out :)
     
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