My take on the most beat up question in CCW

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There is one argument that never ceases to poke it's head in the world of concealed carry: which caliber is best?

While there are more opinions on this than almost any other aspect of firearms, I view the theory that there is an "ultimate caliber" or "best caliber" as largely irrelevant. I prefer to think in terms of most effective.

My general rule is: Carry the most effective firearm possible.

If I could walk around with an assault rifle slung across my back and a Ma Deuce in the trunk of my car "just in case" I probably would. However, that's not socially acceptable. (And frankly carrying a rifle everywhere gets old very quickly.) So for most of us that means carrying a handgun. We are then left to determine, which handgun is most effective.

Many will try to make the argument that the largest caliber you can carry is the most effective, however this analysis is short sided. While the .45 ACP is a larger, more powerful round than a 9mm, that doesn't necessarily mean that it is more effective. When you choose a handgun you have to consider more than just the ballistics of the calibers in question. A .45 will have better stopping power than a 9mm, but you have fewer rounds at your disposal. In any kind of life or death engagement, you are going to go to slide lock a lot quicker than you think. So, which is more effective? Well... stopping power and capacity aren't the only elements to consider.

What about accuracy?
Accuracy of a round depends on a lot of factors. While a .40 will fly flatter and faster than a 9mm, and therefore have less bullet drop at longer distances, most self defense shootings occur at ranges inside 7yds. So the accuracy of the round doesn't matter as much. What matters with accuracy is how well you can shoot that caliber in a specific firearm. The simple truth is that placement will trump power every time. If you can't shoot a .45 accurately, you shouldn't be carrying a .45. The same logic goes for 9mm. Recoil recovery comes into play when you are making follow up shots, and logically it is going to take someone longer to make an accurate follow up shot with a larger caliber handgun. In addition, not all 9mm firearms shoot the same. Not everyone will be accurate with the same firearm. For example, the trigger pull on a Smith and Wesson 637 has a relatively long smooth trigger pull, which I find rather easy to shoot well. However, if you are a woman, or a girly-man, with dainty hands, you may find the double action trigger pull is too heavy for you to shoot accurately.

You also need to consider what gun is most comfortable to carry on a daily basis. While John had a post a while ago about how none are really that comfortable, some are definitely easier to carry than others. And you, like me, might end up changing your carry gun to fit what you are wearing.

In conclusion, most effective doesn't really mean caliber. It is more about the total package, not just of the firearm, but of you employing that firearm.
 
Caliber has NOTHING to do with stopping a threat. Where the round goes is what is important.
 
In the entire history of gunfighting, there has never been a case where one of the shooters wished he had a smaller gun that held fewer rounds of less powerful ammo.
 
But I bet there are plenty of cases of the shooter wishing he had placed his shots more accurately.
 
Caliber has NOTHING to do with stopping a threat. Where the round goes is what is important.

NOTHING?

OK, while we all know that a .22 through the heart will take down a BG, it sure is a lot harder to take them down with a .22 than with something larger.

Only hits count, but you want to make sure it counts when you hit!
 
When was the last time you heard of a BG storming after someone once they have been shot?
I've read countless stories about lil ol' ladies shooting an intruder with a .22 and guess what. The BG ran away. Human nature if Fight or Flight and when presented with a case of potentially dying most will flee.

With that said most of those stories mentioned above consist of an unarmed assailant.
Personally I wouldn’t want to bring a knife to a gun fight.

Now to totally go away from the point I just made, if a situation like that presented itself to me I would like to have the biggest thing I could get my hands on. Shotgun with a nice buck shot is always my favorite :)
 
Now to totally go away from the point I just made, if a situation like that presented itself to me I would like to have the biggest thing I could get my hands on. Shotgun with a nice buck shot is always my favorite

This is one of the points I was trying to make.
 
Many will try to make the argument that the largest caliber you can carry is the most effective, however this analysis is short sided.

It's "Short SIGHTED," not "short SIDED."

Also, most 9mm loads go faster than most .40 loads.

The one sentence answer to the question is, "Carry the biggest caliber you can CONTROL that you will actually carry."
 
It's "Short SIGHTED," not "short SIDED."

Also, most 9mm loads go faster than most .40 loads.

The one sentence answer to the question is, "Carry the biggest caliber you can CONTROL that you will actually carry."

Thank you for the corrections. Grammar isn't my biggest strength.
 
Use a gun with which you can put repeated shots on target. Misses don't count in a gunfight and may land you in civil court.
 
I guess if one was to reverse his thinking...I would rather be hit with a marginal shot from a 9mm than I would from a 40cal....just sayin.
mingo
 
My take:

1. What YOU are comfortable with
2. What YOU have practiced and trained with
(I would not carry a .380 when I am comfortable and have trained with a .45 ACP)

But most important, accept the fact that any gun will kill and that is not a reason to shoot to wound. If your life is on the line, shoot to STOP the threat as fast as possible....not one round to the left leg, one round to the right leg, etc.....but center mass and head if the threat is still there
 
Too many people have no idea what they are talking about.

When asked why he carries 9mm instead of .40, 10mm, .45, etc. James Yeager said, "No handgun [caliber] is adequate. I want more bullets."
 
In the entire history of gunfighting, there has never been a case where one of the shooters wished he had a smaller gun that held fewer rounds of less powerful ammo.

How about a homeowner who shoots an intruder and the bullet is powerful enough to go through the BG and kill a family member or neighbor?

How about somebody on trial for a defensive shooting? You think he might be happy he used a .22 loaded with CCI Small Game Bullets rather than a black assault rifle with a 30-round magazine full of hollow-points?
 
"No handgun [caliber] is adequate. I want more bullets."

After all the numerous studies and testing I've read about, that is my conclusion. 9mm, 357 sig, 40 nor 45acp are adequate at stopping a fight quickly. I feel equally comfortable with 9mm as I do with 45. All that matters is that I put lead where it needs to go. If I know there will be a fight, I should avoid it. If it is unavoidable...I need a rifle and friends with rifles. Otherwise, I'm fine with 15 rounds of 9mm or 8 of 45acp. I really don't feel under gunned either way.


How about a homeowner who shoots an intruder and the bullet is powerful enough to go through the BG and kill a family member or neighbor?

I've heard all of this before. With the proper rounds, my 223 is not going to over-penetrate any more wildly than my handguns.


rather than a black assault rifle with a 30-round magazine full of hollow-points

I don't own any assault rifles. I do have ar-15's in 308 and 223, however.
 
All of this chatter about gun size, shot placement, BG's fleeing after the first shot reminds me of a tale told by an old guy I met a while back...It seems years ago, he was approached by a BG in a gas station bathroom, who proceeded to try to rob him at knife point. The old guy said he pulled his .380 and pumped 5 rounds into the BG's torso. The BG proceeded to slice the old gentlemans gut open. Yeah, the BG later died. The older guy said it took 120+ stitches to close him up....The guy telling the story said he now packs a larger gun.
 
Not to be argumentative but what makes you think that he wouldn't have gotten cut if he'd used a larger caliber, with the same type of bullets, and put them in the same shot locations?

He got cut which means he was in contact range with the BG. The whole shooting/knifing event probably lasted a second or two. He might have shot the guy in the heart and still gotten cut.
 
I can't even make up my own mind on this subject so I'd never be comfortable advising anyone else. I do tend to carry whatever gun I'm most accurate with. Right now the only reason I carry the 9mm instead of the .40 cal is because it's easier for me to aquire the target and keep it there with multiple shots. I'll continue practicing with the G 23 and my old .45 kimber, but for quick access and shot placement the G 26 is it.... unless I get better with any of the others.
 
Not to be argumentative but what makes you think that he wouldn't have gotten cut if he'd used a larger caliber, with the same type of bullets, and put them in the same shot locations?

He got cut which means he was in contact range with the BG. The whole shooting/knifing event probably lasted a second or two. He might have shot the guy in the heart and still gotten cut.

Absolutely. We've all read the newspaper stories of people getting shot in the torso with a 45 and walking away. If you can walk away, you also possess the ability to stay in the fight. Shot placement is so much more critical than deciding between 9mm, 357, 40 and 45.
 
Most gunbattles happen between 7 and 21 feet.Keep that in mind,because very seldom will a Grand Jury will look favorably on a gunfight that takes place at say 50 yards.YMMV.
Texlaw67235
 
Sure sounds like the incident happened at very close range. If a guy gets close with a knife and wants to cut you, you will be cut. You may kill him but you are still going to get cut.

I have the feeling the most common reaction after a shooting is to get a bigger gun. Most people over estimate what a bullet from a handgun does.
 
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