My ugly new 1991A1 Colt, (Blood damaged)

[AJAX22]

I just Paid for my new Series 80 Colt .45

I've never seen a 1911 in worse cosmetic shape.

This was a recovered murder weapon which was soaked in blood and was not cleaned while the gun was in evidence.

I debated wether or not to get it for a long time, but I ultimatly decided that I couldn't pass it up.

My logic was:

1) It is a proven gun (it went bang when it was supposed to)

2) It is a Colt 1911 (even if it is a series 80) which will wind up costing $354 after all the fees and B.S. that CA makes you go through. (which is a great deal around these parts)

3) It is visually unique, and really reminds me of the sidearm that the hero of a post appocolyptic movie would cary. I would be hard put to find one that looked similar.

4) It has a more colorful history than most guns


Thoughts? Opinions? Anyone have any beat up mags that would match the gun?

Description from the auction

You are looking at a Colt 1991A1 Ser80 45 acp Blue Pistol. The bore is pitted on the right side of the frame and slide which should not contribute to the shooting condition. The magazine is missing. This pistol was confiscated as a murder weapon. It had blood on it that wasn't cleaned off because it was used as evidence in the trial. I think all pitting is on the outside. The price is my cost. Ser # 27237XX.

Here are some pics:

 

[SGW42]

That's really quite creepy.

I didn't realize blood was that caustic. Was it just that or did other things happen to it otherwise?

 

[hankdatank1362]

Interesting. It definitely has history behind it, but I would never have paid $350 for it... maybe $50, TOPS.


Didn't know blood could do that much damage.

 

[bruss01]

That's just...


bloody awful!

I can't imagine wanting such a thing, much less willing to pay the cost of a decent used handgun for it.

 

[AJAX22]

All the damage is caused by the blood, apparently it was soaking in a blood pool on its right side for some time, then entered into evidence with bits of blood/gore still attached to it, and while the wheels of justice moved slowly the caustic liquid did its thing.

I technically paid $279 for it, $30 shipping fee, + $35 CA DROS fee, +20 FFL out of state transfer fee.

Yes I would have loved to get it for $50, but you have to remember that I live in CA and even a $50 gun would wind up being $135.

Heck a Hi point in this state will run you close to $200 some places.

a decent functional 1911 or 1911 clone in this state is a minimum of $500, and in order for us to import it from another state it has to be on the drop safety list (which oddly enough this one is)

All told, I don't think it was a bad deal.

 

[PCRCCW]

Well for the money you could have gotten a good frame with a check. front strap from brownells or anywhere.

Looking at the pictures...yep you got a whole Colt, but not one pc of it is usable...without major major help! I wouldnt even try and fire it in that condition. The pitting done to the whole thing is gonna have to be cleaned, welded up and reshaped.

Buying a frame in white would have given you a better starting point IMO.

Pretty gruesome what blood will do.........amazing.

Shoot well and god bless

 

[Jim Watson]

Blood isn't caustic, which means an alkaline pH. Blood is darned near neutral or the owner would not have lived long enough to get shot.
What blood is, is salty. The gun was soaked in warm, sticky, salty gore and left to rust. Blood rust is pretty characteristic. I have a gun with a small patch of blood rust. It is a target pistol, I figure a previous owner cut his finger on the range and did not clean up his gun in time.

As to the OP items 3 and 4, that is a common attraction to a "death weapon". My Uncle once proudly showed me a S&W .32 in peeling nickel plate that had been used by a relative of his to kill a man of African American persuasion (He, of course used the old non-High Road term.)

Not for me.

 

[8830]

I've seen blood destroy a gun before. As long as all the damage is on the outside it should be fine. Just let us know how it shoots.

 

[actionflies]

Blood will corrode metal if left alone. A while back sportmansguide had a big supply of used ak47 mags for sale and some people got mags that was pitted/corroded from blood stains. I also heard a guy said he didn't clean the blood off of his truck bed after hunting and got the same problem.

 

[AJAX22]

In CA you cannot buy a stripped frame, all pistols have to be complete, assembled, and on the drop safety test list before you can have them imported into the state.

Its a major PITA.

Just for the record, I do actually own a very nice 1943 USGI colt 1911 that is all matching and all original.

Unfortunatly it is really too nice for anything but range use, you can't strap it on and go hiking without worrying about damaging it.

At least with this one I won't be worried about it getting scratched up or scuffed.

 

[highorder]

Blood isn't caustic, which means an alkaline pH. Blood is darned near neutral or the owner would not have lived long enough to get shot.
What blood is, is salty. The gun was soaked in warm, sticky, salty gore and left to rust.

+1

we had a 4" S&W 29 at the shop for a while that fired its last shot under some chaps chin...

no one wanted it for $319.99

 

[bhp9mm]

that is sick way u want it that is so ugly to

 

[MASTEROFMALICE]

If I remember, blood is actualy slightly base, not acidic.

 

[rdrancher]

I'd leave it "as is" and use it for a BBQ gun.

Chicks dig a good story! ( I know my wifey does)



rd

 

[jlbraun]

I know "guns is tools" but that thing gives me the heebie-jeebies.

I'd worry about a cracked frame if I fired it.

 

[nwilliams]

Glad you're happy with it......

Me on the other hand I wouldn't want such a thing. I get bad mojo from things like that, they just creep me out

I certainly think you paid more than that thing is worth, even with its colorful history. I Myself wouldn't have paid anything for it because I wouldn't even want to touch it, but if I were to put a price on it I'd say no more than a $75 tops, no matter where I lived. Still I'm one of those types that likes my guns pretty mint when I buy them, especially if I'm going to fork over hundreds for it.

Still I'm happy you're happy and in the end that's all that really matters

Edit:
Forgot to mention that I had a Colt 1991A1 many years ago and it was good shooter, wish I still had it:banghead: I think I paid under $500 used and it was my very first 1911.

 

[f4t9r]

I would have saved my money for something much better.
That is not a good deal, so I must ask WHY you would want that piece.

Never mind ,to each his own

 

[zinj]

Even discounting the morbidity aspect, for the amount of damage on that gun $279 is overpriced.

 

[SGW42]

Learn something new every day here.

So...where does the public go about acquiring these types of weapons? I assumed the PDs just destroyed them.

 

[19-3Ben]

I was about to ask the same question. I just figured they got destroyed. How does one get these guns?

Don't get me wrong, it would creep me out. I also wouldn't buy a house where someone was murdered. I'd have no problem if someone died there, but murder is just a different story. I wouldn't at all mind to have a gun used in combat that might have killed someone. In fact, it could be cool if I had my grandfather's Garand that he used in WW2 (the big one) knowing that he killed Nazis with it. But combat is also different than a murder.

 

[highorder]

So...where does the public go about acquiring these types of weapons? I assumed the PDs just destroyed them.

the S&W 29 that I mentioned had belonged to a man, and was "used" by his brother. when it was all over, the PD returned his gun, and he sold it after the fact.

 

[HM2PAC]

AJAX22,

What does it look like under the grips?

How is it on the inside?

Keep posting on this gun, let us know about all the damage and how it finally turns out.

HM2PAC

 

[AJAX22]

Right now I think its still in S.C.

Its paid for and they have my FFL's info, so it is probably Fed-Xing its way across the U.S. right now.

When my FFL gets it, I'll go fill out the paperwork, wait the manditory 10 days to 'cool down' so I don't go on any murderous rampages and then go back down to pick it up.

then I'll clean it thouroughly, inspect it, and take it down to the range to see how she does.

I'll take plenty of pics.

 

[Cougfan2]

You win the prize. That is without a doubt one of the ugliest guns I've ever seen that still looks like it might function.

 

[Deer Hunter]

I LOVE IT

Then again, I'm a sucker for dirty guns. But this one has SCARS. Mmmm.....