GunNut
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For that price I wouldn't have even looked twice.
I paid $450 OTD for the exact same gun, minus the blood and rust.
I paid $450 OTD for the exact same gun, minus the blood and rust.
My ugly new 1991A1 Colt, (Blood damaged)
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MassMark
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With that logic, should I destroy my M1 Carbine? How about all those M1 Garands, M44's, Mausers, Yugos, Enfields, on and on and on.....There's blood on a lot of guns out there - it's just not so easily seen....
Baba Louie
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Ajax,
Hope you will take that fugly little Colt home, give it a good bath, oil her up and give her a good and loving home, cause she's been thru hell and is scarred for life. Poor pony.
"See children. That's why Daddy and your Drill Instructor always said you've got to clean your weapon before you go to sleep!"
Give that Pony a good and loving home. Teach her the joy of target shooting and keep her fastidiously clean. (Just looking at those photos makes me want to go clean all of mine just because...)
I've got two Lugers I bought back in 95, after East Germany released them from durance vile, with a smattering of blood pitting... but my lord! That little pony is ugly indeed.
Let us know how your ugly horse shoots Ajax. After a good post range session cleanup of course.
Hope you will take that fugly little Colt home, give it a good bath, oil her up and give her a good and loving home, cause she's been thru hell and is scarred for life. Poor pony.
"See children. That's why Daddy and your Drill Instructor always said you've got to clean your weapon before you go to sleep!"
Give that Pony a good and loving home. Teach her the joy of target shooting and keep her fastidiously clean. (Just looking at those photos makes me want to go clean all of mine just because...)
I've got two Lugers I bought back in 95, after East Germany released them from durance vile, with a smattering of blood pitting... but my lord! That little pony is ugly indeed.
Let us know how your ugly horse shoots Ajax. After a good post range session cleanup of course.
michiganfan
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Well at least you know it worked.
Murder weapon?? The gun killed someone? A car that killed a kid?? What the heck are you talking about?? This gun was the weapon a MURDERER used. The gun didn't kill someone the person using it did. I have NO problem with someone buying it and using it for another purpose. Just like the "car that killed a kid". The car didn't do crap. Someone was driving it. The PERSON killed the kid. I have a Russian M91/30 and a Russian M44. I hope many German died at the hands of the SOLDIER who carried. The weapons didn't do anything without the soldier who fired it. Don't put evil in the tool instead of the heart of the man who wields it.
I love it.. But then I'm a sucker for 'old 'n' busted' stuff. Now you just need to openly carry it while riding a motorcycle through the desert, to get it all dusty and Mad Max'ed up. 
And to everyone crying about how it's a 'weapon that murdered someone' and should be destroyed - how are you any different from the Brady Bunch? Why are you blaming a piece of metal and wood rather than the person who used this mechanical, dead object to murder someone? I don't get it. This is the High Road, why are you Low Roading this thread with your anti-adopted garbage?
And to everyone crying about how it's a 'weapon that murdered someone' and should be destroyed - how are you any different from the Brady Bunch? Why are you blaming a piece of metal and wood rather than the person who used this mechanical, dead object to murder someone? I don't get it. This is the High Road, why are you Low Roading this thread with your anti-adopted garbage?
walking arsenal
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Its an interesting twist reading this thread.
A lot of times we preach to the antis that guns are just inanimate objects, or tools, it's the person who is the bad guy.
Yet some of the folks on this thread seem to have this personal vendetta against this particular weapon because the person it killed possibly wasn't a bad guy?
If the price was right. The driver killed the kid USING the vehicle. Inanimate object, not the cars fault since, hey look, no decision making capabilities.
A lot of times we preach to the antis that guns are just inanimate objects, or tools, it's the person who is the bad guy.
Yet some of the folks on this thread seem to have this personal vendetta against this particular weapon because the person it killed possibly wasn't a bad guy?
If the price was right. The driver killed the kid USING the vehicle. Inanimate object, not the cars fault since, hey look, no decision making capabilities.
sammoh
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Man, I just had to revisit this thread to show a buddy just how ugly this gun was. Thinking about it, that blood if it was only blood, ate a good deep chunk out of the thumb safety, the rear of the slide and the front end of the slide too. Wow.
Good luck with it and above all, be safe. I'm sure all of us would rather read a range report than a message about how you blew a couple of fingers off, or worse.
Sam
Good luck with it and above all, be safe. I'm sure all of us would rather read a range report than a message about how you blew a couple of fingers off, or worse.
Sam
XavierBreath
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Ajax22,
First, I like the gun. At $300, you have to consider a couple of issues.
The area around the slide stop is badly corroded on the passenger side of the gun. The slide is heavily pitted at the ejection port as well. These areas are prone to cracking on high mileage 1911s, they are high stress areas. Your gun may not be safe to fire.
Second, you apparently bought the story along with the gun. This weapon may have been a murder weapon and sat bloody in evidence, or it may have been found under the seat of a junked automobile in a wrecking yard. Without any court documents listing the serial number of the firearm, you have absolutely no documentation as to the history of this gun. I must ask you....If the seller told you it was found under the seat of a truck in Al's Salvage Yard, would you have paid the same amount for it? It's OK to say yes, it's OK to say no. If you say no though, verification of the story which is apparently important to you is essential. Expect the seller to provide it.
FWIW, I have an attorney friend with an interesting collection of blood guns, knives and bludgeons. Would I have bought this gun? With verification of the story, I would have offered $200. Without verification, I might have gone $100 or so.
First, I like the gun. At $300, you have to consider a couple of issues.
The area around the slide stop is badly corroded on the passenger side of the gun. The slide is heavily pitted at the ejection port as well. These areas are prone to cracking on high mileage 1911s, they are high stress areas. Your gun may not be safe to fire.
Second, you apparently bought the story along with the gun. This weapon may have been a murder weapon and sat bloody in evidence, or it may have been found under the seat of a junked automobile in a wrecking yard. Without any court documents listing the serial number of the firearm, you have absolutely no documentation as to the history of this gun. I must ask you....If the seller told you it was found under the seat of a truck in Al's Salvage Yard, would you have paid the same amount for it? It's OK to say yes, it's OK to say no. If you say no though, verification of the story which is apparently important to you is essential. Expect the seller to provide it.
FWIW, I have an attorney friend with an interesting collection of blood guns, knives and bludgeons. Would I have bought this gun? With verification of the story, I would have offered $200. Without verification, I might have gone $100 or so.
Thats a good point Xavier,
I really think the structureal integrity of the gun has not been compromised. I could be wrong, but I will be test firing with a string several times , and later initially wearing heavy protective cloathing, gloves and a face shield while firing by hand.
If it does crack, I know several very good professional welders and can probably get it repaired and heat treated for a case of beer. It won't hurt the looks much
I believed the story because that really is what blood pitting looks like, and if it had been a made up story I'm sure the seller would have 'sold' the story a bit harder. usually when people lie about that stuff they don't just make a single comment, they normally go off into an involved backstory. If the gun had been found under the seat of a junked automobile, I still think it would look neat, and in CA a $300 1911 is still a good deal even in this condition. So Yes I would have purchased it even if it had not had the same colorful backstory. In fact I probably would have not hesitated as long as I did in making my decision to buy it. I assign no blame to inanimate objects, so the history really doesn't bother me, but a gun from a wrecking yard has a bit less of an 'ick' factor when you first take it home and clean it.
And yes I would buy a car that had ran over a kid, some of you guys probably have done just that if you've purchased a used car with a salvaged title or front end repair work that has been done. Assigning blame to an inanimate object is just rediculous, that poor gun can't help the fact that its previous owner was a P.O.S., that car can't help the fact that its driver got drunk and drove home from the bar, for all you guys know the playstation 2 you bought on ebay last week was used to strangle a dozen babies and the murderer got off on a technicality. Blame the P.O.S. that did it, not the inanimate object.
I don't mind having a few guns that are just Fugly, I try to keep my nice guns nice, so it helps to have a few beater guns to take into the field.
The finish on this 1991A1 matches the one on my ruger mini14 I'll take some pics when I have them togeather.
I really think the structureal integrity of the gun has not been compromised. I could be wrong, but I will be test firing with a string several times , and later initially wearing heavy protective cloathing, gloves and a face shield while firing by hand.
If it does crack, I know several very good professional welders and can probably get it repaired and heat treated for a case of beer. It won't hurt the looks much
I believed the story because that really is what blood pitting looks like, and if it had been a made up story I'm sure the seller would have 'sold' the story a bit harder. usually when people lie about that stuff they don't just make a single comment, they normally go off into an involved backstory. If the gun had been found under the seat of a junked automobile, I still think it would look neat, and in CA a $300 1911 is still a good deal even in this condition. So Yes I would have purchased it even if it had not had the same colorful backstory. In fact I probably would have not hesitated as long as I did in making my decision to buy it. I assign no blame to inanimate objects, so the history really doesn't bother me, but a gun from a wrecking yard has a bit less of an 'ick' factor when you first take it home and clean it.
And yes I would buy a car that had ran over a kid, some of you guys probably have done just that if you've purchased a used car with a salvaged title or front end repair work that has been done. Assigning blame to an inanimate object is just rediculous, that poor gun can't help the fact that its previous owner was a P.O.S., that car can't help the fact that its driver got drunk and drove home from the bar, for all you guys know the playstation 2 you bought on ebay last week was used to strangle a dozen babies and the murderer got off on a technicality. Blame the P.O.S. that did it, not the inanimate object.
I don't mind having a few guns that are just Fugly, I try to keep my nice guns nice, so it helps to have a few beater guns to take into the field.
The finish on this 1991A1 matches the one on my ruger mini14
I'll take some pics when I have them togeather.MassMark
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The more I think about it, the more I wonder how neat it would be to have this gun completely refinished - top to bottom. Would be kind of interesting to see this gun brought back to it's former glory and put it's murderous history behind it....Tough call.
GunNut
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The pitting looks pretty deep. You'd lose a lot of material getting it refinished, IMHO.
I agree, in order to refinish the gun you would have to fill weld some of those gouges, It would be do-able, but then it would just be a regular old series 80 colt (and it would be a lot of work)
I think making sure its functional and reliable and preserving the organic look of it is the best way to go here.
brasskeeper
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I think I would have passed on it. But If I owned it I think I would replace the slide.
Sad to see a Colt in that shape.
Sad to see a Colt in that shape.
hank327
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To me it sounds as if it were the murder VICTIMS gun, not the murder weapon!
Regardless of its history, I would have no interest in this pistol soley due to its condition. I like my guns to be as "purdey" as possible.
I think, for the money, its just fine......interesting......by the way, if the chamber is sound, and the bolt-face as well, may only need springs.....I'd "arrest" the rust and clear-coat it with superglu or polyurethane and shoot the poor thing......heck, I look a lot worse-for-wear than it does, and I can still get there....if it makes you ill, sell it to me....
Creature
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That gun is cosmetically ruined and IMO not worth what you paid for it.
Bones11b
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Call me crazy but I like it. Then again I think my car will look great once I get it repainted flat black. Sort of reminds me of the bus on that old hockey movie Slapshot. 
TimboKhan
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I am not responding directly to whoever it was that posted this, as much as I am responding to the sentiment, which seems pretty common in this thread.
Personally, I don't have a problem with it. The damage probably would have kept me from buying it, but not the backstory. Why? Well, for starters, philosophically the gun didn't murder anyone, a person murdered another person (does that make sense?). Secondly, just because a gun was used to kill someone doesn't mean it should be destroyed, just as houses that have had murders committed in them shouldn't be burned down. Some of this comes from the fact that my family is pretty blase about death, and some of it comes from the idea that in my hands, the gun would do no wrong. I am kind of anthropomorphizing (2 dollars, please) the gun by saying that, but it's about redemption.
For the record, I come from a family where a murder has occured. My step-moms brother was murdered by his ex-wife back in the 80's. I know everyone deals with things differently, but in our family, it's a subject freely explained and long since dealt with. Maybe thats another (or the main one?)reason that I wouldn't be put off by the gun, because the murder doesn't hang over the family like a black cloud, and so I view it differently than some of you other guys.
Now, that being said, I wouldn't intentionally go hunting for murder weapons either. To own one and not mind the story is one thing. To go looking for them specifically is more than a little creepy.
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I had read that blood would damage blueing. Guess I never thought about it to this extent.
That is one pretty tore-up 1911. Since you asked for opinions, I wouldn't have given it a second look, but that's just me.
Corrosion can do some interesting things to metal (none of them good) and I wouldn't trust what's left of the metal to put up with the stresses of firing and cycling.
Also, I like my guns to reflect some pride of ownership, and that one is waaaay too ugly for me.
That is one pretty tore-up 1911. Since you asked for opinions, I wouldn't have given it a second look, but that's just me.
Corrosion can do some interesting things to metal (none of them good) and I wouldn't trust what's left of the metal to put up with the stresses of firing and cycling.
Also, I like my guns to reflect some pride of ownership, and that one is waaaay too ugly for me.
Joe Demko
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No, the gun itself didn't murder anybody. It was_allegedly_used by a murderer. The OP himself states that that is part of the attraction for him:
When someone owns military surplus weapons there is the possibility that the weapon might have been used to kill someboy in combat. Even if it is so, the overwhelming odds are that the guy who pulled the trigger was just some poor schlub of an enlisted man doing what he was told.
But murder isn't military combat, see. I don't think keeping a souvenier of something as grimey and low as the average murder has any kewl factor at all. While the gun itself was, and is, nothing but an inanimate object the OP plainly told us that its use in a murder was part of the reason he bought it despite its badly corroded state. It isn't like he even knew any of the people involved in the murder. He purchased it from the other side of a continent.
It's his money to spend as he sees fit, of course. I figure a gun in that state is pretty close to worthless; so I hope its status as a murder weapon is worth $350 to him.
Here's my question: What's "colorful" about this murder? Murders are overwhelmingly grubby, sordid affairs. One criminal murdering another over conflicts originating from their criminal activity. Drunks and drug abusers murdering each other while under the influence. Abusive spouses/boyfriends/girfriends murdering their SO's in anger. And so on. Note that there may be overlap.
When someone owns military surplus weapons there is the possibility that the weapon might have been used to kill someboy in combat. Even if it is so, the overwhelming odds are that the guy who pulled the trigger was just some poor schlub of an enlisted man doing what he was told.
But murder isn't military combat, see. I don't think keeping a souvenier of something as grimey and low as the average murder has any kewl factor at all. While the gun itself was, and is, nothing but an inanimate object the OP plainly told us that its use in a murder was part of the reason he bought it despite its badly corroded state. It isn't like he even knew any of the people involved in the murder. He purchased it from the other side of a continent.
It's his money to spend as he sees fit, of course. I figure a gun in that state is pretty close to worthless; so I hope its status as a murder weapon is worth $350 to him.
loki.fish
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Gonna have to agree with this guy. How many of you have argued about guns being inanimate objects for the good of the 2nd Amendment, are now being hypocritical about this being a murder weapon?
How many of you own a "unique" firearm? Maybe not quite as extreme as a badly pitted "murder" weapon, but still something out of the ordinary? Everyone comes across a unique gun every so often and it intrigues them enough to buy it. That's what the OP did. Myself, I'd own it for the uniqueness in it. Not sure about firing it though.
I do. I have a Colt SAA made in 1873 that was carried by a friend of the family I married into - actually someone who worked for the family and was the elder stateman's right hand man. He has known and documented history as a lawman and a silver miner that has used that gun in defense of his life - to the detriment of others. We have a letter from Colt and full documentation about his history. A book is supposed to be underway as we speak and the author has begged for this gun and anything else the family will provide him - which is nothing other than the opportunity to photograph items they have and interview anyone who remembers anything.
It's history is part of it's beauty, since most of the outward beauty has been worn off. But neither is it blistered by the blood of dead. Even without making the inanimate object a bad thing (I think a common human characteristic), that 1911 is not pretty in any way and it is probably not safe because of what the corrosion has done to the metal. So what IS the attraction then?
It's history is part of it's beauty, since most of the outward beauty has been worn off. But neither is it blistered by the blood of dead. Even without making the inanimate object a bad thing (I think a common human characteristic), that 1911 is not pretty in any way and it is probably not safe because of what the corrosion has done to the metal. So what IS the attraction then?
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