My wife, our infant, and two charging pitbulls

[joab]

Lupinus,
What if the person let their prejudiced, based on "reputation", cause them to mistake a friendly but excited appraoch as a charge.

Reading the story that is the opinion I have formed.

Dogs do not normally break off a charge by rolling on their back.
I think it's is absolutly ludacris to think that that is what happened here.

No dog is going to recognize a drawing position as a threat.
They're just not that smart.


Here's something that I also find absolutly hilarious

After I first posted here I had to take my wife shopping
On the way out I past the West Orange Trail where the preppy roller bladers, bicycleist and strollers get their exercise.

Two very effeminate men were walking down the trail and about a medium sized dog charged them aggressively.
They both took a step back assessed the situation and continued their journey with the dog bluff charging ,to the point that his muzzle was actually making contact with one of the walker's legs, for about 10 yards.
They continued their walk giggling about the dog.

The he-men here would have shot
the dog with their 45s 7 yards back

 

[spacemanspiff]

I said "on my property." I don't have a guard dog, but I have the right to if I want to. And if they're shooting it while they're on my property, they are clearly up to something criminal, and they have a gun.

i hope you have checked your states laws regarding the use of deadly force against someone who is defending themself against your dogs. merely having a gun on your property does not necessarily mean they are criminals. it could be a plainclothes cop who responded to a call about your dog attacking someone.

 

[spacemanspiff]

The he-men here would have shot the dog with their 45s 7 yards back

and we'd have been 100% in the right to do such.

 

[ArmedBear]

i hope you have checked your states laws regarding the use of deadly force against someone who is defending themself against your dogs. merely having a gun on your property does not necessarily mean they are criminals.

Bear in mind that "property" around here is a small space, not 100 acres.

My property, specifically, would need to be forcibly entered. In my state, that means I can legally assume he means to do me harm. With a weapon, there is no question.

If I had 100 acres, of course that would be a different story. Don't get the wrong idea, if large lots are the norm where you live.

 

[Lupinus]

What if the person let their prejudiced, based on "reputation", cause them to mistake a friendly but excited appraoch as a charge.

There is nothing mistaken about a dog running at you snarling. If a dog runs at me snarling I'm not waiting to see if it wants a belly rub, esspecialy if I have an infant with me. A threat is a threat if it turns out to be a bluff? Well to bad so sad. Go back to my knife hypothetical. I wouldn't wait to see if a guy weilding a knife is going to stab me or is bluffing. In the same respect I'm not going to wait to see if a charging apparently aggressive dog is actually going to attack me or look for a belly rub.

Dogs do not normally break off a charge by rolling on their back.
I think it's is absolutly ludacris to think that that is what happened here.

Doesn't matter. A threat is a threat and I'm not prepared to wait to the dog is sinking its teeth into me to decide it actually ment to attack me and wasn't just looking for a belly rub. Wouldn't be the first animal to stop an attack when presented by something which made it clear it was going to defend itself.

They both took a step back assessed the situation and continued their journey with the dog bluff charging ,to the point that his muzzle was actually making contact with one of the walker's legs, for about 10 yards.
They continued their walk giggling about the dog.

The he-men here would have shot
the dog with their 45s 7 yards back

Guess I am a he-man then. If you want to wait to see if the cute doggies wants a belly rub or a chunk out of your leg that is your buisness. Personally an aggresive dog is a threat and will be delt with accordingly, which is a bullet in the head. I happen to like my body intact jsut the way it is and prefer not to wait till I have a dog latched onto my leg to react.

 

[joab]

I feel very sorry for those of you that live in such obvious states of fear that you feel the need to draw on every day occurances.

And those of you that feel such a great need to rationalize shooting something, anything, that obvious contradictions in the story go unnoticed or ignored.

But they're those ungodly pitbulls and nothing more needs to be said.

Frankly I am both amused and disgusted at the same time

Try to stay safe, as hard as you seem to think that is, and watch out for the boogey man

 

[spacemanspiff]

I feel very sorry for those of you that live in such obvious states of fear that you feel the need to draw on every day occurances

does it make you feel like a bigger man to try to insult others?

welcome to the ignore list.

 

[joab]

Does it make you feel like less of a man because you can't convince me to shoot em all and let god sort them out.

If you'll notice I don't think I responded once to any of your simplistic posts anyway so ignore away.

 

[Lupinus]

I feel very sorry for those of you that live in such obvious states of fear that you feel the need to draw on every day occurances.

What fear? It has nothing to do with fear it has to do with not allowing ones self to be mauled. I am more then happy to pat a dog on the head, have obliged mroe then one strange dog that walked up to me panting and wagging its tail looking for a little pet. But I am not more inclined to wait and see if a dog acting aggressivly is going to attack any mroe then I am to see if the guy with the knife is going to stab me once he makes what apears to be an iminate attack. It has nothing to do with fear, it has to do with not being afriad to protect yourself from an aparent attack.

And those of you that feel such a great need to rationalize shooting something, anything, that obvious contradictions in the story go unnoticed or ignored.

Oh? Name a few. A dog that rolled over after someone gave it the clear message of don't mess with me? After they gave clear actions which come before an attack? Wil levery dog that looks like its about to attack actually do so? No, but ever theif with a knife wont actualy stab you if you hold your ground. I refuse to find out, an attack is an attack aborted or not.

But they're those ungodly pitbulls and nothing more needs to be said.

Yes and? What am I supposed to do feel sorry because by golly they are such sweet little puppy dogs with a bad wrap that responsible breeders breed? A dog is a dog is a dog, if it makes like its about to attack and is larger then something I can kick a field goal with it is going down once it makes its move to attack me.

Frankly I am both amused and disgusted at the same time

So am I, by your hystarics about the big bad looking for a reason people excuse for not willing to wait to have a bite taken out by a dog displaying violent behaviour.

 

[DevLcL]

If it was two punks approaching aggressively who backed down after her drawing, would you be castigating her for misreading their obvious intentions or saying she may indeed have averted an intended attack?

Dogs are completely different then humans. If two strange punks come aggressivly twords you, you can bet they dont want a hug. Your right that you can never really read a strange dog and that is exactly why they are different then humans. You never know if they just want a good rub and thats why you can just waste them right away. The advice I'd give to your wife is this: When strange dogs are clearly coming at you aggressively I WOULD draw once they were within about 20 feet. Then at around 15 feet the actions of the dog will determine its outcome. I think everyone knows what I mean by this...

Also, dogs don't easily forget people. What I think is most likely is that the same two dogs will not go anywhere near her or the kid knowing that they have nothing to offer, they might even percieve her as 'Danger' from which they will gladly stay away from.

Just to be thorough, if rabies gets into the mix then theres no telling what the dogs will do, regardless of their behavior, from one second to the next. You say they may be partially farel so this may be something to look for.

All in all I'd have to say that you and yours are not immedietly in danger while performing regular activites around town at this time.

Trust your gut.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Dev

 

[oh blanky]

Joab you remind me of that nutjob that got eaten by his friends the grizzly bears.

How can you be so omnipotent to know for certain, at the risk of being maimed or killed, an animals intentions?

 

[Sheldon J]

Your wife's aggressive stance is what confused the dogs. They were expecting a display of fear and didn't get one.

Pilgrim

Agreed dogs when faced with a superior force are basically cowards, that is unless they are protecting someone.

I was out for a walk on a dirt road quite a few years back BCCW (I was pre 21) and I had the habit of carrying a big stick. A pack of dogs came charging across a field growling, snarling, displaying of teeth, in attack mode.
My dad who was with me Yelled "RUN" and started to flee, I on the other hand decided I was going to kill the lead dog ball bat fashion and started running towards the dogs.
I had a bead on the lead dog when it stopped just short of my range and started running backwards. I started a charge still planning on killing the pack leader. It must have sensed my intent because they all turned and ran like the devil himself was after them, the best part was the look on dad's face when he turned and saw me in pursuit mode stopped by a the barbed wire fence screaming great obscenities with to dogs in full retreat.

 

[joab]

I can't believe I brought Blanky out of ignore for that bit of tripe.

I'm not the one looking for excuses to shoot animals that may or may not even be pits, that are showing signs of submissive behavior that anyone with the least amount of familiarity with dogs would recognize, and who have done no harm to any one other than a mild unwarrented sphincter pucker.
But I'm the nutjob.

I'm done here
If any of you can put aside your irrational bigoted hatred of a particular breed of dumb animal long enough to actually make an intelligent comment,
Something not along the lines "if they look at me wrong I'll kill em.I don't care it they are a Chiuaua", feel free to PM me

Good Night

 

[trapperjohn]

You are right, pitbulls and any large dog that may, possibly, might be a pit should be exterminated.

Until that is accomplished you should lock your wife and daughter safely away from the outside world

Who knows, next time they may even lick her hand.

I would say that is an incredible misscharacterization of anything I had said. I guess that is your attempt at insulting me. As a matter of fact, it seems that is about all you have done on this thread thus far and have really offered no advice. Your very first post on it was rolling eyes at my wifes response. Of course now you say she responded correctly. I guess i should not have used the words "pit bulls" but should have said large dogs instead.

Since you are such an authority on PBT please enlighten me on what should be done next

remember, the only history that was told to me about these dogs is that THEY HAVE BITTEN in the past. This is a rural area, if anyone had been bitten i doubt that the state would have been contacted.

if it were your wife/daughter/sister/secretary with a a baby, what would you have them do? would you trust them to go near that area again without a plan of defense? from what you know would you be 100% certain that those particular dogs would cause no harm?

I have no particular fear or hatred of any dogs. And I do not want to shoot any dog at all. BUT, I would much rather shoot a dog than to see my wife or daughter mauled or killed.


seems like the best advice I have gotten is to contact a rescue group. I will look into that. I am unsure how that would work with the fact that several people are feeding them.

 

[Lupinus]

I'm not the one looking for excuses to shoot animals that may or may not even be pits, that are showing signs of submissive behavior that anyone with the least amount of familiarity with dogs would recognize, and who have done no harm to any one other than a mild unwarrented sphincter pucker.
But I'm the nutjob.

Who is looking for an excuse? It's called an intellegent response, not going oh look at the cute doggy untill they are tearing your leg off. No one looks for reasons but aparently some people are willing to respond because they arn't biased about how bad a wrap they get as pitbulls. And attacking dog is an attacking dog. This time a strong response stopped an attack. Someone who doesn't might be attacked next time. You want to wait untill you are being mauled cause you wont respond to an attacking animal? Maybr you are a nutjob.

If any of you can put aside your irrational bigoted hatred of a particular breed of dumb animal long enough to actually make an intelligent comment,

Perhaps you should put aside you love of a breed and stop feeling sorry for it and make an intelligent point yourself.

TJ-
I agree with not letting them go back down there armed or otherwise til lthe dogs are picked up by animal control or are shot. Don't trust your wife and baby to agressive animals because one guy says they are puppy dogs looking for a belly rub cause they got the idea that this isn't a snack.

 

[meef]

I believe that there are no bad dogs. Just bad owners.

Yep, I know just what you mean.

For instance, my wife was out jogging with our infant daughter the other day when suddenly a couple of bad owners came charging out snarling and showing teeth!

Well, she whipped out her Dirty Harry .44 mag and for some reason the bad owners stopped about ten feet away and rolled over on their backs.

Phew! Close call!

 

[torpid]

Dogs are completely different then humans. If two strange punks come aggressivly twords you, you can bet they dont want a hug.

Never assume.


.

 

[Lupinus]

Dogs are completely different then humans. If two strange punks come aggressivly twords you, you can bet they dont want a hug.

Not true, punks like to scare people and plenty will bug you or throw a punch and stop just sort of hitting to scare you. I don't trust they wont actually hit me. And I wont trust a dog running ar me with teeth bared to not attack me either.

 

[chas_martel]

Lupinus,

U'r 100% spot on. Common sense should rule the day in an encounter
of this sort.

And yeah I have a dog! A big one, love her very much. But,
I'd still assume a similar posture if put in a similar situation.

Geeez. Next problem.


Edited to add:

Why do some of you insist it is a waste of time -or some how wrong - to anticipate behaviour based on breed? I am 43 years old and have owned many dogs. One thing I have learned is that dogs of a breed do
exhibit similar behavioural traits. For example; ever notice how the
"average" or "typical" Sheltie will herd groups of people? Whenever I encounter a Sheltie I find that most of the time it will herd groups of
people, or other animals. Is there something wrong with me doing this?

 

[Lupinus]

Common sense will take care of 99% of things you will ever run into or have to consider....except where the goverment or laws come into play

After that it gets tricky lol

Personally no dog at the moment but wi probably get one within a year, till then it's just the cats.

 

[carebear]

till then it's just the cats.

shoot on sight

Just kidding of course.

How is it cats can tell you're allergic? I swear if I was ever in a hungry lion's den the thing would rub all up on me rather than eat me just because it could tell it'd make me more miserable.

 

[Lupinus]

cause cats are smart like that

 

[riverdog]

I agree with those advocating finding real homes for these two. In spite of the rapport trapperjohn's wife already has with these two dogs, TJ and his wife wouldn't be good candidates because of the infant; otherwise rescues can be great pets. A good place to start would be with Pit Bull Rescue My guess is that if you contact these folks, those two dogs will just disappear. Win-Win.

 

[chas_martel]

trapperjohn,

I got two stories for you to relay to your wife.

About 27 years ago the younger sister of my best friend was mauled
by two Doberman's. Their owners gave the all too familiar
line of their dogs not harming anyone. This despite the fact they where
pulled off a bloody 5 year old girl. The young girl received in excess of three
hunred stiches that day. And in the ensuing years underwent several
reconstructive surgeries. The complications are remembered to this day,
decades later. The owners refused a court order to destory the animals.
They argued it would not "teach" the dogs a lesson and no real justice would
be served. The dogs where taken care of during the night
and the owners suffered - saddly - very little.

Fast forward 20 years - my wife, while stolling with our daughter, encountered two Dobermans and one Rottie. She was VERY fortunate to escape with no injuries to her or our daughter. Agains, we confronted the owners that made every excuse in the world and sang the familiar song of not "judging" the breed. Turns out it was happening to many in the neighborhood. It warms my heart to tell you that "common sense" was used
in describing to the neighbors what would happen if one of their dogs
"hurt" a child. They put their house on the market and literally moved within 30 days!

Take no chance in any encounter with a dog moving fast towards you in
something that resemble a "potentially" hostile intent. Especially, from
any breed suspected of being violent.

Oh, and did I say, I love my dog!

 

[Atticus]

I agree with those advocating finding real homes for these two

Magic Wok looking for dog...are they meaty?