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NAA mini revolvers

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by tercel89, Apr 2, 2010.

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  1. tercel89

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    I did a search on these on this forum and read a bunch . I have come to the conclusion that NAA makes the most reliable "mini" revolvers .
    What are your thoughts on them ?
    I normally carry a Glock 22 at my work and a G-26 and sometimes a Beretta COugar off duty , but I need something VERY SMALL when summer gets here . I dont me a small J-frame revolver , I mean small . I do a lot of biking and dont want a gun sagging my pants down .
    I alwys thought the small guns like this were crap . I did a little research on them and keep coming up with NAA as the most reliable micro small guns out there .
    Any thoughts and experiences would be appreciated . I forgot to say that I am looking at them in a .22LR or a .22 Mag . Mainly a .22LR
     
  2. MICHAEL T

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    Mine is the 22lr with 22 mag cyl also I consider it a waste of money and at other than contact distance unless . Slow to fire and forever to reload .You can carry a KelTec P-32 just5 as easy Have a pistol you can fire faster and thats more accurate,and quicker, for just a few oz more . Their cute but in 22lr their hard to reach power of a 25 auto shooting ball . 22 mag a little better but noise and muzzle blast is bad and 22 mag cost as much as center fire ammo today A P-32 is a better choice
     
  3. tercel89

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    Is it reliable ?
     
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    I have one of the .22mag versions and yes it is very reliable. IMO the sights on this gun are useless so I just use mine as a point and shoot gun at very close distances. I can draw it, point it and fire very quickly and keep all of my shots on a piece of notebook paper all the way out to 7 yards.

    I often drop mine in one of the cargo pockets of my shorts and I think that it makes a good "last ditch" option. However, I find that my Ruger LCP is just as easy to carry and provides a much better solution to my micro-gun needs. YMMV, best regards...

    Mike
     
  5. ChefJeff1

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    Mine has been 100% reliable in .22 mag and .22 lr.
     
  6. MCgunner

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    I am unaware of any revolver in the size class of the NAA since the Freedom Arms is no longer made, much less a more reliable one. Yes, they're very reliable as long as you refresh the ammo in 'em every week or two if you're carrying 'em constantly in summer. That's the trick. Pocket moisture (sweat) will infiltrate a rimfire round. I think the magnum might be less susceptible to this since it does not use a heal seated bullet, crimps over like a normal center fire round. But, I don't have a mag model.

    These guns can be useful to 15 yards in my experience. I can hit center mass quite easily from 50 feet, but with slow, aimed fire. They don't point shoot for squat and the sights are tiny, sight radius is short and they're slow to acquire. I really wouldn't wanna get into a gunfight with one, but it could save your bacon if you need something and just can't carry bigger. I have mine in a holster grip which flips open like a lock blade knife and gives me a full grip which helps immensely.

    There are very few times that I must carry a mini as a primary, but there's no substitute for one when tiny is needed. One neat use for it is when I'm wade fishing. I clip it to the top of and inside my T shirt. I would not be able to carry anything else in that situation without it being submerged in salt water.

    These little guns are very well made and very reliable. They actually shoot well, but ammo picky and one must practice to understand how to hit with 'em. Some folks just can't figure it out, some better shooters can. They're not expensive and are of very high quality. I'd suggest buying one and seeing for yourself. Don't give up on it. Work with different loads, find one that hits near POA or if you have to, and I did, file the front site down a bit to match the POI of the load. Once you have this little thing set up, it actually CAN shoot. .22 LR is pretty pathetic for penetration, of course, and tiny, but hey, it's better'n nothing. The .22 mag offers better ballistics. The frame of the gun isn't that much bigger, but yeah, they're loud. I've got a .22LR and a super companion which is worthy of a whole nuther subject, but I consider the best option yet as reloads are fast (spare cylinder) and ballistics are slightly superior to the mag using bullseye as a propellant with the 30 grain conicals from NAA. With it or the .22 mag with solids, I'm a little more confident in penetration potential than the .22LR, but the LR is the more compact frame. I want to get a magnum version eventually just because. Both my NAAs wear the holster grip, I'm sold on it for my uses. You could clip it inside the waste band of a pair of bicycle shorts and no one would even know what it was. :D.
     
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  7. NG VI

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    MCGunner or anyone else with a .22LR mini, have you ever used Aguila 60 grain in it? How did it shoot? That's one of my favorite .22 loads, and I can't help but think that for getting all the penetration possible, might as well go with a heavyweight like that.
     
  8. tercel89

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    I have a few cargo type shorts that I dont wear because they have the built-in belt and I cant wear my regular gun with them so I think the NAA would be great to put in one of the many pockets they have .
    Trust me , its not gonna be a main-carry gun .
     
  9. Colton White

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    I have a mini .22lr.

    I love that gun, I have fired oh gosh over a thousand rounds through mine no joke with out a single problem. Iv fired lots of different brands of ammo and old glass jar top shelf junk ammo and not a single problem. people can argue all day about effectiveness and whether its a viable defensive tool and that this is better than that or whatever.

    yes it is reliable
     
  10. Colton White

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    I have and to be honest as far a performance I couldn't tell a lick a difference without proper testing it all looks the same shooting into my pond. but they fired for sure, a lil quieter but same kick and it does shoot a hair low far as i can tell.
     
  11. MCgunner

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    Never tried the Aguila. Mine prefers Federal Lightening. Every gun has a different preference, though.

    Don't get all worked up over terminal ballistic perfprmance. Pick a round that hits as close to POA as possible. Lord knows there's plenty of variety to try. Once you get one with the gun/load, stick with it.

    BTW, I've killed all sorts of critters with mine over the 25 yards I've had it. I even took a rabbit with it once, around 40 or 50 feet. It was at night, too, in the headlights of my truck! Don't tell me these sights are useless. You just need to learn how to use 'em and get the gun shooting POA which is really the key. I've had my super companion for a few weeks, now, 2 range trips with it. It shoots WAY low and a little left. What I've done is just learned a good sight picture, not your traditional blade in notch sight picture. I'm shooting 5" groups center mass from 40 feet with it like that, taint that shabby. It's a little longer gun, easier to point shoot up close than my .22 LR version. And, if you think a .ss mag is loud and has muzzle flash, you should experience 2.0 grains of bullseye in a companion or super companion. :D I'm getting 1250 fps out of a 30 grain bullet with it. I really consider it superior to the cartridge guns. Not the velocity, still a mouse gun, but I have a spare cylinder I can load and carry and a reload is a simple cylinder swap, much quicker than the cartridge version. I don't invision having to carry this gun much as a primary or I might buy another spare cylinder. They're only 40 bucks off the NAA site and just drop in and work with no fitting.
     
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    Funny, I was at my friend's place in Waco last dove season for our annual slaughter of the birds. We were sitting on one of his tanks chatting waiting on a bird to fly by and there were snakes on that tank about 75 yards away. So, I had some ammo in my pocket and my NAA and just gave it a try. I'd hit within about 3 or 4 feet most shots, never did connect, but hey, that's pretty impressive at that range. My buddy was all agog that it shot THAT close. :D From 20-25 yards, I have an outside chance of making a hit on a snake with it out of 5 tries. I have killed a rattler at 10 feet with a head shot with it, one round. I mean, it's mechanically accurate, just hard to shoot well for rather obvious reasons.

    I can generally keep all shots slow fire from a bench rest at 25 yards on a paper plate, though. Considering my eyes and the sight radius, I'm happy with that. As a 25 ft last ditch defense, it sure beats nothing and sometimes that's the alternative. I don't have a lot of trust in the caliber, of course. Head hits are preferred. I keep it in my left pocket with my primary either in my right pocket or sometimes on the belt. I figure if I'm struggling with someone and he has my strong hand tied up and my left hand is loose, jam it in his eye and let him have a round. I'd rather get stabbed than shot in the eye with a mini revolver, myself.
     
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    About reliability, I would be much more concerned with the ammo than the gun. 22 bullets get wet easy and then don't fire. I have had many, many failures with my NAA, (think triple digits) every single time I changed the ammo and was good to go.

    That said they are solid little guns and with enough practice, meaning a LOT, you can get to hitting pie plate groups at say 10 yards. I would not recommend one as a primary weapon even though I carry mine as a primary every Sunday
     
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    I bought the 22 Mag/22LR version with the 1-5/8" barrel. I've since installed the NAA wood boot grips, which add maybe 1/4" length to the bottom of the grip. It is still very hard to shoot well. This little gun takes A LOT of practice. I can't seem to hit a 10" circle from any farther away than about 5 yards. I consider myself a very good shot with all my other handguns. This little guy is just so hard for me to figure out.

    Having said that, there really isn't anything else that comes close to how small these NAA Minis are. You could stuff it in a sock, a rolled-up sleeve, close your hand around it and conceal it in your palm, literally.

    My Ruger LCP is my current favorite "pocket gun". Bulkier and heavier than the Mini, but a heck of a lot easier to slip into a pocket than a j-frame revolver, and a heck of a lot more effective than a 5-shot single-action .22 with a sub-2" barrel and a grip you can barely hook 2 fingers around.

    My NAA Mini has been relegated to "novelty" status, until the day I can miraculously learn to shoot it correctly.
     
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    And that's why I said this......



     
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    MCgunner

    The one I have that has had so many "Bad Bullet" issues is the Mag model so I guess the problem persists.
     
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    I have carried a NAA .22 mag for years and have never had a problem with it. I have found that CCI MINI MAGS work the best and are reliable. I have 3 issues with the gun and have corrected them with no further problem. First are the sharp edges on the rear of the cylinder which will inflict a nasty cut on the thumb. Solution; take a stone and round off the edges taking care around the safety" notches. Second is the front sight which I cut down to almost nothing. If you point and shot it will give you very good results at close range. Third is the grips which are too small to be really useable. Solution, I bought a pair of oversized rubber grips from NAA and they are great. They allow a good grip and point naturally. I carry in a pocket holster and I was concerned that the oversized grips would print and I was delighted that they don't.
    You must remember that this is close range weapon and it will work if you do some practicing with it. The muzzle blast and flask are something you must see to appreciate, one would think that you were using a large caliber handgun.
    The mini in the pocket is a lot better that the .45 in your safe.
     
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    try a seecamp .32 with the grip clip to ride inside the waistband.
     
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    Other than maybe the .22 Mag. Black Widow, I regard these mini-revolvers as novelties, not any kind of serious self defense weapons, even as a backup.
     
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    But they sure are fun!

    I've been shooting my "The Earl" a fair amount since getting it. It's been on and off for grouping due to the grip issue but the other evening I managed to get a couple of 1.5 inch groups at 12 yards and pretty much the rest were all within 3 inch groups. Oddly enough I was playing with both two handed grips and one handed "duelist" style with the body held sideways and my free hand tensioned into the small of my back. The two tightest groups along with a 2'ish inch "support" group were all shot single handed. And no one was more surprised than me with this. The single had groups patterned about an inch to the left and 1.5 inches high due to the poor support from one hand. The two handed groups are dead on for .22LR.

    Magnums shoot about 2.5 to 3 inches low at 12 yards even two handed.
     
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    NAA Minis are very well manufactured guns, BUT you have to know its limitations if you're going to carry one. It is more reliable, safer, and have a few more shots than a derringer BUT it is a last ditch weapon that's meant for up close and personal shots. Basically, you shoot and run like hell. If you intend on carrying in in the summer, you must change the ammo on a regular basis (weekly or bi-weekly).

     
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    The longer-barreled 22 Mag. are the way to go. Black widow? Mini-master maybe even (which is what I backpack with). You want the Mag. and the length to squeeze the power, acurracy and range out of it.

    These arms are SIMPLE, safe, well made, reliable, impervious, and can be effective.

    PAK
     
  23. MCgunner

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    And, the mini master and black widow have better sights.

    I was kinda wanting a mini master, have for a while, until I priced one. $360 or something like that put me off. I wound up buying a nice P64 Polish in 9mm Mak for 200. I was just wanting something different to play with. Awesome gun, too, but that's another thread.

    The mini master is a might long (4" barrel) for pockets, but if you had a holster grip on it, it would clip inside the waste band of a pair of shorts and be innocuous to a by stander. If he asked, you could tell him it was a leatherman with a belt clip and he'd have no clue. :D Any other gun with a belt clip looks like a gun.
     
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    I've posted before that I had one in .22lr misfire at a really bad time. Could have been the ammo; I didn't really have time to reflect (or reload) so I replaced it with a Beretta .25 Jetfire as soon as I could.

    The Beretta is not much bigger, vastly more accurate, shoots faster & ,holds more ammo and 007 carries one; how bad can it be?
     
  25. tercel89

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    rmfnla , what kinda misfire happened to you ? Did you get hurt or anything ?
     
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