Narcotics possession & NICS

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newshooter6

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Unfortunately I was recently arrested for a small amount of narcotics marijuana and parifinalia. :'( However my lawyer assured me that I do not have to admit to being arrested aka if asked on a job application I should say no. He also says that it will not show up on any background checks and since I completed the classes and community service hours it will basically be like the whole thing never happened.

My question is, is this accurate or possible? I do not want to head over to the store and get all excited for a shiny new rifle only to be turned down. Since then I have been entirely clean and am not even remotely interested in illicit substances (stupid college experementation phase officially over)

I have heard something about even being arrested for a misdemeanor will restrict you from owing a firearm. Is this Tue? Will this one stupid mistake bar me from my own personal protection? What it boils down to is will I pass the NICS? I had a drug class and 40hours community service.

If you are 21 in CT (next year for me) there is no waiting period, do I still go through the background check?

Please help!
 
Yes you have to go through the background. Only convictions should show up on the background check, not arrests. If your incident does show up and NICS denies you, you can appeal the denial and have your record corrected. The form 4473 that you fill out to buy a firearm from an FFL only asks about past convictions and current felony indictments.

I think this is the most recent 4473:
http://www.nssf.org/share/PDF/4473_Draft.pdf
 
Thanks for the help, looks like dreams of zeroing in a new rifle may soon become a reality. Good to know this country hasn't completely lost its mind... Yet.
 
One thing to keep in mind if you're ever thinking about getting a handgun permit: I don't know about CT, but in NY you have to disclose EVERYTHING when you apply for a carry permit, even if the arrest didn't result in a conviction. They still want the particulars and final disposition of the case in writing. If you leave something out and the background check turns it up, it's "No permit for you!" If I were you, I would keep records of all of this, just in case.

The arrest won't necessarily disqualify you, but failing to report it will. Even records that have supposedly been "expunged" can turn up and bite you in the butt. Again, this is NY, not CT, but it's something to keep in mind.
 
Well NY has some pretty extensive/serious laws for handguns. Shotguns are a better home defender anyways and I'm not sure if I'm going to have a personal carry weapon yet. If worse comes to worse, I'll put it on the application and hope for the best. No biggy though
 
I wish I had a written cite of this somewhere online. According to a lady at the ATF the "unlawful user of narcotics" part of the prohibited persons list includes anyone even arrested but not convicted for 1 year after the final disposition of the case.
Example:
  • You're arrested on February 1st 2011 for misdemeanor drug possession.
  • You're arraigned on February 15th 2011
  • You're convicted/acquited/jury hangs on March 15 2011

Regardless of the above outcome you're going to fail the NICS check until March 15 2012.



Obviously that scenario is not only stupid, but completely illegal, but according to the people at the ATF licensing division that is what the FBI uses to determine an "unlawful user of narcotics" and they claim that it is federal law.
 
As they say, “The devil is in the details.”

If the application asks if you have ever been arrested, then your truthful answer is “YES”. If the application asks if you have ever been convicted, then the disposition of your criminal case will be the deciding factor.

In Louisiana, we have something known as Article 894. Among other things it allows for the set aside of certain misdemeanor convictions providing certain stipulations are met and not before up to 4 years post conviction.

My suggestion is that you take a look at the laws specific to the jurisdiction under which you were convicted.

Keep in mind that lying on a federal affidavit, which if I’m correct is what a background check is, is in of itself a prosecutable offense.

That said, I wish you the best.

:)
 
Why are you asking us if your lawyer already gave you the answer, do not believe anyone but your lawyer, you only have to worry about a felony, just do as your lawyer told you. Pot is a misdemeanor unless it is a kilo or more which = 2.2lbs then you talk to the feds, some states may differ. Usually the main reason people get turned down is when convicted of an act violence
 
However my lawyer assured me that I do not have to admit to being arrested aka if asked on a job application I should say no.

Make sure you read the job application (or any other application that requires a background check). Anyone requiring a background check is going to value honesty. If caught lying on the application, which in more cases than not is what happens, the applicant is usually not hired. However, if honest up front, more often than not, depending on the circumstances obviously, you may be given an oppurtunity.


He also says that it will not show up on any background checks

Wanna bet?


and since I completed the classes and community service hours it will basically be like the whole thing never happened.

Don't kid yourself it happened and a record of it exists, expungment not withstanding.


Why are you asking us if your lawyer already gave you the answer

If I had a dollar for everytime I as a LEO heard someone in custody say that their lawyer took care of something, I'd ......



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Word to the wise, make sure you have a copy of any court order you are obligated to, you have read the court order, you understand the court order and you abide by the court order; otherwise you may very well find yourself under a new court order.

Should that happen, I seriously doubt you and your attorney will be sharing the same fate.

If I found myself in the same situation as newshooter6, and my lawyer said for me to lie on anything, then my next question to that lawyer would be:

"Are you willing to pay to have a competent lawyer represent me should following your advice land me in more trouble?"



http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/general-information/fact-sheet

As far as the NCIC background check is concerned, here is what is looked at:

….The federally prohibiting criteria are as follows:

· A person who has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year or any state offense classified by the state as a misdemeanor and is punishable by a term of imprisonment of more than two years.

Plain and simple, the question becomes, "How does YOUR state report the conviction to NCIC? in your specific case."

Also, note that the criteria is a crime punishable by; NOT punished by. That is a VERY important difference. Just because you were not sentenced to x amount of time, the type of conviction M or F is governed by what could you have been sentenced to not your actual sentence.

· Persons who are fugitives of justice—for example, the subject of an active felony or misdemeanor warrant.

· An unlawful user and/or an addict of any controlled substance; for example, a person convicted for the use or possession of a controlled substance within the past year; or a person with multiple arrests for the use or possession of a controlled substance within the past five years with the most recent arrest occurring within the past year; or a person found through a drug test to use a controlled substance unlawfully, provided the test was administered within the past year.

· A person adjudicated mental defective or involuntarily committed to a mental institution or incompetent to handle own affairs, including dispositions to criminal charges of found not guilty by reason of insanity or found incompetent to stand trial.

· A person who, being an alien, is illegally or unlawfully in the United States.

· A person who, being an alien except as provided in subsection (y) (2), has been admitted to the United States under a non-immigrant visa.

· A person dishonorably discharged from the United States Armed Forces.

· A person who has renounced his/her United States citizenship.

· The subject of a protective order issued after a hearing in which the respondent had notice that restrains them from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such partner. This does not include ex parte orders.

· A person convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime which includes the use or attempted use of physical force or threatened use of a deadly weapon and the defendant was the spouse, former spouse, parent, guardian of the victim, by a person with whom the victim shares a child in common, by a person who is cohabiting with or has cohabited in the past with the victim as a spouse, parent, guardian or similar situation to a spouse, parent or guardian of the victim.

· A person who is under indictment or information for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year.




That being said newshooter6, I wish you the very best. As a LEO, I agree that the loss of the right to own a firearm over a seemingly insignificant marijuana conviction is harsh indeed.
 
He was convicted of some charge, otherwise he wouldn't have had to do classes and community service.

Not necessarily. Plenty of places offer "diversionary" sentences like this, that take the place of an actual conviction - especially if the individual is a first-time offender.
 
he's still a minor so it should all be DUST IN THE WIND. There are plenty of ways to get crap taken of your records, for a minor it's almost like magic.
 
Marijuana is not a narcotic. Narcotics are cocaine, crack, heroin etc. aka hard drugs which equals a federal crime. But yeah there was also Miss Mary Jane as well. Does this change the situation?

P.s. thanks for the help so far. What would happen if I filled it out and was denied, they just say go home or will the cops get involved?
 
What would happen if I filled it out and was denied, they just say go home or will the cops get involved?
You just go home -- as long as you didn't falsify anything on the 4473. Getting denied on a NICS check is not a crime; putting false information on the form is.
 
Marijuana is not a narcotic. Narcotics are cocaine, crack, heroin etc. aka hard drugs which equals a federal crime.

A drug doesn't have to be a narcotic or "hard" to get you federal time. Marijuana is a Schedule-1 drug, along with things like heroin, LSD, GHB, and a bunch of other nasty stuff. To law enforcement, it's all basically the same thing. There is no federal distinction between an individual caught with an ounce of cocaine and one caught with a pound of dope.
 
My wife's ex, was busted for Mary Jane he'd stuffed into the attic, she wasn't aware of it until the cops kicked in the door one late night. The judge didn't buy that story, finally her ex convinced the judge he's done it on his own accord. The wife was given 2 years unsupervised probation, if she stayed clean, her record was supposed to be expunged. WRONG ! 25 years later, she applied for a job in insurance, they did a background check and the arrest was there, "someone" didn't do their job evidently, she was asked about it and got the job, but buying a firearm is different than applying for a job!
 
@kingpin

"Possession of Narcotics is a specific criminal drug possession class that includes, heroin, cocaine, and crack cocaine. Narcotics possession carries the stiffest possible drug possession penalties under Connecticut law." this is a direct quote from a Connecticut defense DUI defense lawyer. I am simply concerned that this will make me unable to obtain any form of firearm.

Up to 7 years in jail and a $50,000 fine is the maximum possible charge for my offense. I guess this means I can forget the entire thing.

thanks anyways.
 
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Pot is a misdemeanor unless it is a kilo or more which = 2.2lbs then you talk to the feds, some states may differ.

Actually, MOST states differ. In the majority of states, possession of a much smaller amount can result in felony convictions. In many states, if the weight exceeds ONE OZ (NOT kilo) you will be charged with felony possession. Possession of a kilo would most likely be seen as intent to distribute in the vast majority of states
 
Im kinda confused why you got an answer for a lawyer, is asking us without armchair law degrees... then disagreeing with our answers about classifications of drugs.

Shooter, if your lawyer says your fine, then i would think you are fine. If you go to buy and get denied, then go from there. It wont be the end of the world by any means.

It does sound like you were given a sentance that once you completed it and stayed clean, you were in the clear.
 
35 years ago

Almost 4 decades ago, I was arrested and by the time it went to court I was 17 years old. I was sentenced to a type of act that doubled the probation and criteria to complete and if I did it would not ever be a issue. That long ago I dont even remember what it was for. I was told by the judge it was to be removed when I had to appear when the act was completed. That was in my home state, I ended up being a truck driver and lived in other states now more that half my life. I have bought handguns in 4 different states at Gun Shops or Pawn shops. Some before the background check was law like it is now, long guns as well and my usual way of buying was lay away and would usually put another in when I got one out. Then the end of last year, I went to get my latest lay away out and booom, I was denied! It was in 1975 when I had went to court going by the info on my appeal. I was told that the misdemeanor back in 75 was the reason. I dont have any papers on the crime I did all those years ago and cant get them. My contacts in the state where it occurred say they dont have a record of it yet it is noted on my "Reason for Denial of Appeal".

Now living in a different state than the denial since retirement I am able to purchase again. So I guess paper work is what I am trying to get across here, I have all the paper work to all my firearms including the sales receipt for them as well, that includes the NCIS approval #'s. If you completed something for that case that says you will be "Guilt Free" after it is over, get it in writing and put it with your very important paper file. SS #, Birth Certificate and things of that nature. I also passed the 10 finger fingerprint by the FBI check in order to have my HaZMat class 1 CDL and even a letter from them saying they are forwarding my status to the files at my states DMV. Go figure. By the way, the gun I wanted was a old J-22. Nothing serious, just to add to the ravens and brycos I have. lol
 
At the time you go to buy the gun you cannot be on probation or have any unresolved charges. Your sentence for any conviction must be completed(including community service, etc). You fill out ATF Form 4473(linked above) and undergo a background check performed by the law enforcement agency of your state responsible for doing so and a NICS check.

In particular, ATF Form 4473 asks you "Are you currently a habitual user of marijuana or other illegal substances?" If you answer yes to that question, you will be denied.

A simple misdemeanor conviction will not keep you from buying a gun unless it was a domestic violence conviction. But you should wait a month or two to make sure the courts have your records cleared up before attempting to buy a gun.

If your lawyer said you'd be able to buy a firearm, then pick the one you want and try to buy it. If you get denied, fire your lawyer.

According to what I can find about CT marijuana laws, the smallest possession charge you can get is punishable by a maximum 1 year incarceration. So it is possible that you could get denied on a background check when trying to buy a firearm. But hey, worst thing that happens is you try and get denied.
 
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The devil is in the details. Sometimes there is a "dismissal by disposition" or similar arrangement for lower level crimes which does not include a guilty or no contest plea. It's the criminal world equivalent to settling out of court, and typically involves payment of money. Different jurisdictions handle such things very differently though. Technically it is not a sentence and it is not probation, it's just agreement to pay off a debt. There's no need for them to have you plead no contest, you just sign papers agreeing to pay them the money. Cities will do this sometimes for the higher level auto violations like failure to have up to date car insurance on a routine stop. Typically a drug conviction would NOT be resolved that way.

If you did community service, as well, that's starting to sound much more like probation which would require a conviction.

A simple misdemeanor conviction will not keep you from buying a gun unless it was a domestic violence conviction.

Careful.

A person who has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year or any state offense classified by the state as a misdemeanor and is punishable by a term of imprisonment of more than two years.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/general-information/fact-sheet

The two year/one year issue can get very complicated. Proceed with caution and get a complete copy of your own record so you KNOW exactly what happened. Do not guess.
 
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