National CCW reciprocity

[RedTag]

I was using SD and Mercer as "for instances" there are alot of other counties in many different states that are doing this. If you want a bigger picture look at Illinois and NY and DC like i said in my original post on this thread. They are No-Issue states.

Said simply: Its wrong! I dont think you could argue that!

And like i said before, i support states rights and would love to see less Federal involvement, all im saying is that the way that HR 822 is written right now is a plus for us. Its a "win one for the good guys"!

 

[X-Rap]

Sorry, misguided thinking - that particular instance needs to be addressed by the folks of California, not the Federal government - it is strictly a California issue and , as such, belongs in their elected reps hands or those of their courts. If the people of SD and Mercer counties felt the issue to be important enough, then the majority would vote for it to be enforced - no Fed intervention necessary there
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Very well put.
I will also say that having centralized control will put things much more in jeopardy in any case of national prominence regarding concealed carry or fire arms in general.
In DC knee jerk reactions are the rule of the day and having a Columbine, Va.State, or Giffords type crime could jeopardize the whole system when now at least 50 separate legislatures and Governors have to take action to effect the system as a whole.

Here in CO. we waited a few more yrs for shall issue following Columbine, it was a done deal before that tragedy.

 

[oneounceload]

I will also say that having centralized control will put things much more in jeopardy in any case of national prominence regarding concealed carry or fire arms in general.
In DC knee jerk reactions are the rule of the day and having a Columbine, Va.State, or Giffords type crime could jeopardize the whole system when now at least 50 separate legislatures and Governors have to take action to effect the system as a whole.

Here in CO. we waited a few more yrs for shall issue following Columbine, it was a done deal before that tragedy.

And that is all it would take is something similar, or the issuance of some form of martial law due to a disaster somewhere or any number of similar scenarios. Some seem to think this will open up those very closed states -it won't, it will close down the open states, or make the restrictions so tight, those states will have lost way more than they gained in others. IL, NY, CA, NJ, MA, et all will impose their way - it would not surprise me to see them come with so many off-limit places as to make your CCW useless - start with no public places like parks, beaches, arenas, local, county, state or federal facilities of ANY kind, no places with mass gatherings, no places that serve or even sell alcohol (like your basic C-store where you gas up), no open carry for sure, and the possibilities go on and on. Those who have all those now - how many are YOU willing to give up so you can one day in the next hundred years MAYBE carry your CCW in NYC?

 

[drsfmd]

If you want a bigger picture look at Illinois and NY and DC like i said in my original post on this thread. They are No-Issue states.

That's simply not true in the case of NY. NY is a "may issue" state which means that a judge can put restrictions on a permit (Most don't and they have no legal authority to restrict, but they will deny the permit outright if you don't accept the restrictions). But its not impossible or even all that difficult for someone with a clean record to get a permit in NY.

 

[goon]

True. My great uncle and aunt had CCW permits in NY back before CCW permits were popular.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h822/text

I admit that my legalese isn't as good as it could be, but I don't see anything in the text of the bill that mentions setting a national standard for obtaining a CCW permit. That looks like it's still left up to each state.

 

[tyeo098]

True. My great uncle and aunt had CCW permits in NY back before CCW permits were popular.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h822/text

I admit that my legalese isn't as good as it could be, but I don't see anything in the text of the bill that mentions setting a national standard for obtaining a CCW permit. That looks like it's still left up to each state.

Correct, but the nay-sayers among us say it COULD happen.
Therefore we take the cautious route and disregard this bill

 

[gunnutery]

I for one am happy that this passed the House. Even if this bill goes no further, it shows that the majority of the House of Representatives know that the government CANNOT protect everyone and wants to give common people the means to legally protect themselves.

I still haven't seen any responses to the OP's question: Is there any movement or talk on this in the Senate?

 

[RedTag]

No the Senate hasnt had this bill come up yet.

 

[tyeo098]

They read it twice then referred it to the committee on the Judiciary.

Last I've heard of it.

 

[danez71]

Sorry, misguided thinking - that particular instance needs to be addressed by the folks of California, not the Federal government - it is strictly a California issue and , as such, belongs in their elected reps hands or those of their courts.

Sorry, but its NOT "stricly a California issue" as evidence by your own post later in this thread that listed a half a dozen other states.

 

[goon]

Thanks - I hadn't heard of anything being done with it in the Senate either but figured I could have missed it.