National Ordnance M1 Carbine
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Zullo74
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Carl N. Brown
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I occassionally ran across National Ordnance guns in
the 1960s. Basically think of them as commercial replicas.
Some can be good shooters, but no collector's value.
the 1960s. Basically think of them as commercial replicas.
Some can be good shooters, but no collector's value.
Zullo74
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Zullo74
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"But, the folks who buy at that price are not aware that they are poor quality commercial imitations. Since you now know what they are, you have no reason to buy one at any price. Decent USGI carbines can be found in the $450-600 range."
I'd say this was pretty much to the point!
I'd say this was pretty much to the point!
To the point, but what makes it poor? What makes it bad? What kind of breakage do they have? What parts need to be replaced? Is the receiver out of spec? Are the barrels over torqued?
I'm not faulting you for posting the link, but if I do a search for any brand gun there is, I can find a thread somewhere on the internet where ten people will get on and say that brand is "teh suck".
I'm not worried about it either way. I didn't pick it up for serious use.
I got it for way, way, way, under that.
Zullo74
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OK, use it in good health. As long as you are happy with it and don't mind having a poor copy. 
I expect you did get it for much less than $450-600 as that is the going price for an original, bona-fide, US government issued, GI, veteran M1 Carbine. :banghead:
I expect you did get it for much less than $450-600 as that is the going price for an original, bona-fide, US government issued, GI, veteran M1 Carbine. :banghead:
mustanger98
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This is kinda OT for a M1 Carbine thread, but I have a Nat'l Ordnance 1903A3 and I got it cheap. I sleep at night just fine. The only part that's not USGI is the receiver. From what I've heard, some of those had headspace set at the longest it could go or a little longer. Mine's just fine... no ruptured or bulged cases and no case head separations. The one's I've heard bad about are the N.O. Garands.
ArfinGreebly
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Larry
I'd be pleased if you'd keep us posted on the performance of your new friend.
I had an opportunity to pick up a Nat Ord recently, and passed it by.
If you find this thing functions well and hits barns at 100 meters, I'd sure like to know that.
If it's junk, I'd like to know that, too.
This is the second time in two months the Nat Ord name has come up on M1 Carbines, and I'd like to flesh out the rumors and hearsay with some actual facts.
Thanks.
I'd be pleased if you'd keep us posted on the performance of your new friend.
I had an opportunity to pick up a Nat Ord recently, and passed it by.
If you find this thing functions well and hits barns at 100 meters, I'd sure like to know that.
If it's junk, I'd like to know that, too.
This is the second time in two months the Nat Ord name has come up on M1 Carbines, and I'd like to flesh out the rumors and hearsay with some actual facts.
Thanks.
Zullo74
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Correia wrote "I own an NFA gunstore and have access to shoot about 30 full auto or suppressed weapons whenever I feel like."
So what does that statement have to do with anything? Are you trying to impress us?
So what does that statement have to do with anything? Are you trying to impress us?
No, Zullo, I'm not. I'm trying to give you a perspective that even if I did waste my money by not buying a genuine USGI, it isn't a big deal. But you seem awfully concerned about letting me know how badly I've ruined my life by picking up this horrid piece of garbage. I just wanted to assauge your fears that I'll be quite all right, and I probably won't be depending on this gun for anything serious.
Arfin, no problem. I'll see how it does.
Arfin, no problem. I'll see how it does.
Zullo74
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Correia,
Hey, you were the guy that started this thread asking about that M1 carbine, not me!
Hey, you were the guy that started this thread asking about that M1 carbine, not me!
wcwhitey
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I had one. It was a all USGI except for the redeiver. It may have even been a restamped reciever. The receiver was heavily painted and I never stripped it. I put in new springs and it worked fine. The barrel looked good but would not group less than a foot at 100. If memory serves I paid around $125 (a while ago). It worked but never turned me on. I have seen some of there BM59's, welded receivers! I was told they bought them from Springfield, but could never confirm that. If the price was cheap enough maybe I would think about it, but I would not pay any competitive price for one of their products.
M2 Carbine
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I haven't owned a NO Carbine but do own several other aftermarket Carbines.
Many of those Carbines were made up using GI parts and a new manufactured receiver.
If the rifle was decently made it should shoot and hold up as well as a GI model.
Many of those Carbines were made up using GI parts and a new manufactured receiver.
If the rifle was decently made it should shoot and hold up as well as a GI model.
Wild Weasel
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Just a little insight to the M1 carbine.
CMP has just received a substantual amount of M1 Carbines that are to be made available to the public about the 1st of March or so. Don't know about grades or prices yet.
I'm a new comer here so if this has already been discussed and cussed, my mistake. I don't own one of any kind and am "All excited" since that is what I qualified on so many years ago.
CMP has just received a substantual amount of M1 Carbines that are to be made available to the public about the 1st of March or so. Don't know about grades or prices yet.
I'm a new comer here so if this has already been discussed and cussed, my mistake. I don't own one of any kind and am "All excited" since that is what I qualified on so many years ago.
M2 Carbine
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I wonder just how swamped CMP will be with orders.
In the early 1960's, when there was just a rumor that NRA members were going to be able to buy Carbines, I wrote to the NRA and requested the paperwork. They sent a card with my backorder number, 32,000+.
Every month in the Rifleman they posted the backorder numbers that were being accepted.
As I recall the number got to well over 300,000.
In the early 1960's, when there was just a rumor that NRA members were going to be able to buy Carbines, I wrote to the NRA and requested the paperwork. They sent a card with my backorder number, 32,000+.
Every month in the Rifleman they posted the backorder numbers that were being accepted.
As I recall the number got to well over 300,000.
Yeah, I have a feeling that when the CMP said it would have enough carbines for "a couple of years" they weren't counting on this mad rush. I am mailing that order form (provided they priced the guns in my budget) the day they put up the info.
I have to wonder if they will charge a premium for the guns due to demand. They priced the last of the 1903's quite a bit higher than what they were offered for before. Could the same situation happen with the carbine, as this is likely the last of the supply and there are practically mobs gathered for them?
I have to wonder if they will charge a premium for the guns due to demand. They priced the last of the 1903's quite a bit higher than what they were offered for before. Could the same situation happen with the carbine, as this is likely the last of the supply and there are practically mobs gathered for them?
Ash
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The rumor is that the CMP carbines may not be all that good. The availability date has been pushed back and words like smooth bore have been bandied about. The total number of usable carbines may be less than they expect.
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peabody304
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Ash
Just curious, where did you hear or read this?
Just curious, where did you hear or read this?
Ash
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I believe over at Gunboards. I'll check about and see if I can post a link.
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Ash
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Okay, I haven't found a link to the discussion, yet, so count the rumor as unfounded until I do.
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Dr. Dickie
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I don't see where the date has been pushed back. They said, March or earlier. Now they say more info on February 16-18th. That is earlier than March. Did they have an earlier date posted before?
There seem to be a ton of rumors flying around. So far the only stuff I have been able to confirm (by trawling through the CMP site) is that:
1. There is a 5 digit amount of carbines, closer to 10,000 than to 99,000.
2. The CMP thinks the supply will last for a couple of years
3. The guns came in with no magazines or slings + oilers.
4. They expected to be ready to start selling them in March, there should be an update between 16-18 of February.
Pretty much all of the rest of the stuff is just hear-say. I can't even find confirmation that the guns are from Italy.
1. There is a 5 digit amount of carbines, closer to 10,000 than to 99,000.
2. The CMP thinks the supply will last for a couple of years
3. The guns came in with no magazines or slings + oilers.
4. They expected to be ready to start selling them in March, there should be an update between 16-18 of February.
Pretty much all of the rest of the stuff is just hear-say. I can't even find confirmation that the guns are from Italy.
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