This is a gateway to eventually setting either Federal oversight, Federal regulation, or making it entirely a Federal issue. As it is right now, their evil fingers are not involved in CCP standards. We've worked hard for how well we've liberated the laws in Florida, we don't want to jeapordize this because you guys in the ban states are trying to weasel your way around your states extreme anti-gun government and culture.
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I don't see how this is ever going to work, because States have varying licensing requirements. Some have no requirements. Some have no licensing. If the Feds are going to get involved, seems to me they will inevitably get involved in the uniform licensing requirements. Watch out! He giveth and he can taketh away. Suddenly carrying a gun becomes a privilege administered by the federal government.
Oh please. As if snivelling anti-gunners need any sort of justification via HR1243 to continue being snivelling anti-gunners. The problem here is that you assume that the anti-gunners have something called "honor", that they will not persue federalized nationwide may-issue CCW laws if we don't push HR1243.
You're wrong. One of the Senators from New Jersey (I think it is Frank Lautenburg) proposed EXACTLY this sort of bill I named above. He certainly didn't need this CCW bill to introduce legislation.
The anti-gunners that run around DC calling for national gun control have no honor, and would have no qualms about passing anything despite HR1243 passing or not.. Passing HR1243 would make those who carry concealed fight that much harder against general gun bans down the line.
You're right about every state having varying requirements. So what? How is that any different than what we have now? This is a red herring argument against the bill that makes no sense. In fact, most of the arguments against this bill from a "pro-gun" perspective makes little to no logical sense.
When HR339 was introduced by Cliff Stearns, that bill had a "national standard" provision in it's bill for the states that banned concealed carry with bans in certain places. HR339 was repugnant, and notice that it wasn't reintroduced this Congressional session.
How does this apply to full-cap mags in CA and MA? If I conceal a pistol without the proper gizmos or registraton (CA, MA, NY), whats next?
The registration provisions would not apply to you as an out of state resident in this bill any more so than a law enforcement officer under HR218. You don't see New York arrested qualified LEO's for lack of registration for their firearms, because they know that a federal judge could strike down their entire licensing scheme as violating of HR218 or HR1243 if that passes for civilians.
If this bill passes (a big if) that kind of thing would be worked out in courts. Also, states like CA and NY would try to pass restrictions, like "can't carry in your car, on the street, in any shop that sells merchandise, in any restaurant that sells food, within one mile of a public place, any place above sea level, any place below sea level, etc". All that would be worked out in court. My guess is that CA's "safety" law and mag ban would continue to be in force.
Au Contraire. New York, California, New Jersey, and Maryland will NEVER pass such laws. Ever.
You know why?
Those bans have to apply equally to CCW holders in those particular states in order for it to be legal. Even then HR1243 states "specific" locations. Those provisions would likely be regarded the same as a CCW ban and make it ineffective anyway towards out of state licensees, effecting in state licensees only.
CCW holders in those states, due to the discretionary nature of their permitting system, tend to be the politically powerful.
Tell me, would any legislator tell someone who donates to their election campaign or their party election campaign tens of thousands of dollars (New Jersey and Maryland especially) that they want to restrict their permits with those ridiculous provisions just to keep the gun carriers out of state out?
I don't think so. New Jersey, New York, Maryland and Cali won't do squat to piss those guys off. They'll rant, bitch, and whine, but they'll comply with federal law, just like they did with HR218.
Another thing to think about. 18USC926A was passed using the same justification. This allows you to transport across states that prohibit your firearm across those states in the trunk of your car without fear of felony conviction. HR1243 and the FOPA transportation provisions function the exact same way. If you dislike HR1243 for what it does, then you support New York or Mass arresting you for transporting your firearms across their states to another state where you have a carry permit (example, PA to CT when you have permits to carry from both states).
