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The purpose of the sign was to keep the robbers out. I guess they could not read.
NC: "No Guns" BBQ Eatery gets Robbed
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Delford
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I definitely agree. Some people are truly evil and like to hurt people. I've been around some and it's creepy.
I saw a sign in a C-store in a transitional neighborhood that said " If you enter wearing a mask or a hoodie, you are trespassing." Good idea, but not likely to convince criminals they shouldn't try to rob the place. I don't know if the folks inside are armed or not, but I suspect they are.
I definitely agree. Some people are truly evil and like to hurt people. I've been around some and it's creepy.
I saw a sign in a C-store in a transitional neighborhood that said " If you enter wearing a mask or a hoodie, you are trespassing." Good idea, but not likely to convince criminals they shouldn't try to rob the place. I don't know if the folks inside are armed or not, but I suspect they are.
Well there is a followup to the story..... the backlash against the "No Guns" sign.
The story continues with the backlash from gun rights advocates, in this latest saga that was posted today May 25 2014. Below was originally posted on NC Gun Blog and picked up by Fox News.
'No weapons' sign at restaurant draws fire after armed robbery
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/2...aws-fire-after-armed-robbery/?intcmp=trending
“I am very glad that no one was seriously injured. But everyone involved needs to face one very important fact. They were not murdered only because the robbers did not decide to kill them. The robbers had all the power. No one could resist them. Why? Because the owner of The Pit Authentic Barbecue has banned guns in his restaurant.”
On the Facebook page of the "The Pit" (the restaurant, eatery that was robbed) someone posted this below which was also picked up by Fox News and mentioned in the article.
“What a shame those robbers didn’t obey your no guns allowed signs,” was one comment. “Ha Ha…YOU GOT ROBBED. So much for a gun-free zone,” was another."
There was nothing in this latest story that mentions about the owner rescinding his no guns policy. But the article did use the term "irony", which we discussed earlier...
"The irony of a gunpoint holdup at a “no weapons” restaurant was not lost on the NC Gun Blog..."
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The story continues with the backlash from gun rights advocates, in this latest saga that was posted today May 25 2014. Below was originally posted on NC Gun Blog and picked up by Fox News.
'No weapons' sign at restaurant draws fire after armed robbery
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/2...aws-fire-after-armed-robbery/?intcmp=trending
“I am very glad that no one was seriously injured. But everyone involved needs to face one very important fact. They were not murdered only because the robbers did not decide to kill them. The robbers had all the power. No one could resist them. Why? Because the owner of The Pit Authentic Barbecue has banned guns in his restaurant.”
On the Facebook page of the "The Pit" (the restaurant, eatery that was robbed) someone posted this below which was also picked up by Fox News and mentioned in the article.
“What a shame those robbers didn’t obey your no guns allowed signs,” was one comment. “Ha Ha…YOU GOT ROBBED. So much for a gun-free zone,” was another."
There was nothing in this latest story that mentions about the owner rescinding his no guns policy. But the article did use the term "irony", which we discussed earlier...
"The irony of a gunpoint holdup at a “no weapons” restaurant was not lost on the NC Gun Blog..."
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Double Naught Spy
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^ Do you mean this 1991 Luby's Cafeteria incident?
Luby's didn't have a sign.
Luby's didn't have a sign.
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
But unless I'm misremembering, the state law required that Suzanna Hupp's firearm be left in her vehicle:
Slightly different situation, but still fundamentally relevant to "No Weapons" signs and laws.
Terry, 230RN
More on Ms. Hupp, definitely worth clicking on:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanna_Hupp
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Red Wind
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Completely correct. There was no CC in Texas yet,hence no signs. Ms Hupp's testimony to the Teas Legislature led the way to TX concealed carry. Quite a brave woman.
Double Naught Spy
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So what you are saying was that it was ironic that any place in Texas ever got robbed because people weren't allowed to carry guns? That is quite a stretch.
Fundamentally relevant? Okay, then it is fundamentally relevant for all the places not posted against CCW that get robbed at gunpoint or people get shot anyway in Texas or any other state that has CCW.
Anybody remember IHOP in Carson City, NV? How about the Tucson parking lot event with U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in the very pro gun, CCW and Open carry state of AZ? How about the Wisconsin hunters shooting? Geneva County shooting spree in AL? Grand Rapids mass murder in MI? Lakewood, WA coffee house police shooting? Skagit County Shooting Spree, Isaac Zamora, 2009 in WA? Cathouse murders in OKC? Copley County, OH spree? Detroit Police substation shooting? Dallas LBJ Freeway shooting spree (2008)?
If you are going to say that it is fundamentally relevant that Luby's happened because with didn't have CCW in Texas, then it is fundamentally relevant when shootings happen in states with CCW and/or situations that allow people to carry.
Red Wind
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^ Have you ever had an optimistic thought,Spy? 
It must be that lousy weather in Forestburg! 
It just drains ones dreams, schemes and means!
It must be that lousy weather in Forestburg! It just drains ones dreams, schemes and means! jerkface11
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How do you not see the irony in a store with a no guns sign being robbed at gunpoint?
Joe Demko
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I'm going to presume the type of irony that you believe you see here is situational irony. If the owner of the shop genuinely intended to prevent robbery with a sign, then this would qualify as situational irony. Since we have no evidence that the owner is insane or badly developmentally disabled, there is no reason to believe that preventing robbery was, in fact, what he had in mind. Situational irony requires a disparity between intention and outcome, you see.
Places with and without signs get robbed alike. Is it ironic when a shop without a sign is robbed? It is if we assume that by not having a sign the owner intended to prevent robbery by welcoming armed customers.
Places with and without signs get robbed alike. Is it ironic when a shop without a sign is robbed? It is if we assume that by not having a sign the owner intended to prevent robbery by welcoming armed customers.
Old Dog
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No irony here. Again. Especially since the robbers went in the back door, which wasn't posted ... and apparently, because the robbers hit the place not because it was posted "no guns" but rather because they knew where the money was.
Again. Bad guys aren't typically choosing their targets because of signage. If you desire to believe that's not so, recommend you spend some time interviewing the folks that respond to and/or investigate these types of crimes.
Double Naught Spy
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Sure, but I try not to crouch my happy thoughts in misguided notions. We are the good guys. We can do better than flimsy logic or made up reasons especially when we have so much more and better examples or perspectives with which to work.
Just like I don't see any irony of a road with a speed limit sign and people driving faster than the speed limit or people at a gun range breaking gun safety rules, rapid firing when their are signs posted against doing so, or pro-gun people (like some members here) carry into businesses or workplaces that are posted against guns.
Red Wind
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Good to see you have a sense of humor.
Arkansas Paul
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Apparently one would. Not a robbery, much worse.
It hasn't been proven that it was chosen because it was a gun free zone, but the article gives some food for thought. He certainly drove right past a few that were DID NOT have signs posted.
http://www.gunfaq.org/2013/04/aurora-and-the-gun-free-zone-theory/
JustinJ
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Ding! Ding! Ding! Pretty much summed it up perfectly a long time ago but the thread continues with claims that the store owner thinks the sign was will deter robbers. Sigh.
Some insurers actually require such signs. They realize that the vast majority of armed robbers just want the goods so cooperating is far safer for innocent workers and patrons than getting into shootouts. Its also much cheaper to let the goods go than to pay lawsuits by families of dead bystanders. After taking my state required concealed carry class and refresher class, this makes perfect sense as from what I saw, the majority of students had no business carrying a gun yet still passed and got their permits.
Double Naught Spy
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You are right, it hasn't been proven he picked the theatre because it was gun-free. In fact, it hasn't even been remotely substantiated as to why he picked a theater or why he did what he did. That he might have driven by other theaters or closer theaters to get to this one as a justification that he picked a gun-free zone is exceptionally weak. In fact, ANY particular unique aspect of the theater could just as well be justified by the notion that he drove by other or closer theaters. How have all the other single factor possibilities been ruled out? Maybe he liked the layout of this one better? Maybe he had a an argument with management there sometime in the past? Maybe he liked the parking behind the theater for staging his gear better? Maybe it was closest to where he ate before the attack?
LOL, we don't even know if he realized before the attack if the theater was posted or not. Had he left some clue before the attack, it might have been interesting and relevant. Anything he says now may be tainted with his with to do further harm.
As for "He certainly drove right past a few" that were DID NOT have signs posted, how do you know what route he took? It is unlikely that he would have actually driven right past more than one without taking a meandering route. Are you suggesting he took a meandering route? There just aren't that many movie theaters in Aurora, CO for him to have driven right past a few of them to get to this theater without taking a very meandering route.
Arkansas Paul
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Of course I don't know what route he took.
The "drove right past" was a general statement. There were a half dozen theaters in the near vacinity. It was the only one posted.
Again, there's no proof that he sought it out.
Gun free zones do seem to attract killers like a magnet though.
The "drove right past" was a general statement. There were a half dozen theaters in the near vacinity. It was the only one posted.
Again, there's no proof that he sought it out.
Gun free zones do seem to attract killers like a magnet though.
22-rimfire
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"No guns allowed". Maybe the sign should read, "Have Guns? Come on in and help yourself."
JColdIron
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The owners of the Pit and their other eateries like Raleigh Times and Gravy are pretty left leaning and anti 2nd ammend. Not to be political but they have been highly active in Democratic fund raising and hosted an Obama rally for 2008 and/or the reelection. As is their perogative. I'd imagine that is why they were involved in the Giffords meet as well. Good "optics" of a Southern State discussion on "reasonable" gun restrictions...
Certainly not the average NC BBQ place!
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SEE IT LIKE A NATIVE
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When I see a "no guns " sign , it means "we don't want your business " ,I don't give them any business ! Kevin
Red Wind
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JColdIron said:
For sure. Raleigh wants to be, and is mightily striving
to be, the Berkeley,Boulder,Madison,Princeton of the Southeast. They got a great core with NC,NC State,Duke and Wake Forest.As Dick Vitale would say, "That's a great Final Four, Baby!"
So the liberal agenda is washing over the whole middle to eastern North Carolina scene.
Eradication will be tough. 2 generations at the minimum. Those Sixties hipsters, now today's professor's, are a solid to the bone, Marxist/Leninist cadre.
They truly believe!
Baby! 
V.Lenin. Circa 1915
Double Naught Spy
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You haven't looked very deeply into the subject beyond headlines, have you? Most murders and even mass shootings don't occur in gun free zones.
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