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The purpose of the sign was to keep the robbers out. I guess they could not read.
The Luby's massacre was a mass murder that took place on October 16, 1991, in Killeen, Texas. George Hennard crashed his pickup truck through the front plate glass window of the Luby's Cafeteria at 1705 East Central Texas Expressway, shot 43 people, exchanged shots with responding police, and then hid in a bathroom and fatally shot himself.[2]
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The Luby's massacre was a mass murder that took place on October 16, 1991, in Killeen, Texas. George Hennard crashed his pickup truck through the front plate glass window of the Luby's Cafeteria at 1705 East Central Texas Expressway, shot 43 people, exchanged shots with responding police, and then hid in a bathroom and fatally shot himself.[2]
Luby's didn't have a sign.
The law (for shall-issue in Texas --230RN) had been campaigned for by Suzanna Hupp, who was present at the time of the massacre where both of her parents were shot and killed. She later expressed regret about deciding to leave her gun in her car lest she risk possibly running afoul of the state's concealed weapons laws; during the shootings, she reached for her weapon but then remembered that it was "a hundred feet away in my car."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby's_massacre#Aftermath
Slightly different situation, but still fundamentally relevant to "No Weapons" signs and laws.
Terry, 230RN
However, " Texas law at the time required that concealed carry was not allowed in "public places". I.E. a gun free environment.
Slightly different situation, but still fundamentally relevant to "No Weapons" signs and laws.
No irony here. Again. Especially since the robbers went in the back door, which wasn't posted ... and apparently, because the robbers hit the place not because it was posted "no guns" but rather because they knew where the money was.How do you not see the irony in a store with a no guns sign being robbed at gunpoint?
^ Have you ever had an optimistic thought,Spy? It must be that lousy weather in Forestburg! It just drains ones dreams, schemes and means!
How do you not see the irony in a store with a no guns sign being robbed at gunpoint?
Sure, but I try not to crouch my happy thoughts in misguided notions. We are the good guys. We can do better than flimsy logic or made up reasons especially when we have so much more and better examples or perspectives with which to work.
Um, I dunno about that. How many bad guys would go, "Hey Frank <my apologies to those named Frank>, they got a "no guns" sign, let's rob 'em" Or "Hey, they don't have a "no gun" sign, we're probably gonna get shot if we rob 'em."
FWIW, what they're trying to prevent with these signs is not deliberate, targeted armed robbery. They're trying to prevent negligent discharge accidents. They're trying to prevent employee arguments from escalating to gun battles. They're trying to keep the two hothead customers who get angry at each other for wearing the wrong football teams' jerseys from getting violent. They're trying to prevent a Michael Dunn type from being "in reasonable fear of his life" from a black guy who doesn't smile at him.
The above-listed things, not armed robberies or mass shootings, are what they're aimed at. The business is calculating that the summed risk of the above listed incidents is greater than the summed risk of armed robberies and mass shootings. I don't know if that math is right. And that doesn't afford any weight of the right (or preference) of the customers to make their own choices about whether to be armed. I'm just saying that the sign was never supposed to prevent an armed robbery.
Apparently one would. Not a robbery, much worse.
It hasn't been proven that it was chosen because it was a gun free zone, but the article gives some food for thought.that were DID NOT have signs posted.He certainly drove right past a few
http://www.gunfaq.org/2013/04/aurora...e-zone-theory/
I'm sorry, I take issue with the title of this thread. The Pit is not a NC BBQ restaurant
proper, it is a yuppie wannabe restaurant that serves a facsimile pork product they
call BBQ. No real Eastern BBQ restaurant would have a no guns allowed sign on their
front doors. I have lived here my entire life and have never seen any of these signs
on a single BBQ restaurant in this state.
JColdIron said:The owners of the Pit and their other eateries like Raleigh Times and Gravy are pretty left leaning and anti 2nd ammend. Not to be political but they have been highly active in Democratic fund raising and hosted an Obama rally for 2008 and/or the reelection. As is their perogative. I'd imagine that is why they were involved in the Giffords meet as well. Good "optics" of a Southern State discussion on "reasonable" gun restrictions...
Certainly not the average NC BBQ place!
Gun free zones do seem to attract killers like a magnet though.