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I don't think the girl is nearly as much to blame as the parents.

1. Father should have trained daughter in the proper use and carry of a handgun.

2. If father is going to give her a gun to carry, he should have provided her with a safe gun that would not have discharged if dropped. And a two shot derringer?!? Really?

3. Father should have given daughter a proper holster with the gun.

4. Mother really needs some firearms training.
 
Rob G said:
Whether Wyoming likes it or not they are part of the United States. Until they secede they're bound by its' laws, no matter how they feel about it.

They acceded to a constitutional republic. Federal goings on that violate said constitution are of no consequence to the States, who, I might remind you, were once more free and independent than they are now. They were once truly sovereign.
 
Murphy4570 said:
They acceded to a constitutional republic. Federal goings on that violate said constitution are of no consequence to the States, who, I might remind you, were once more free and independent than they are now. They were once truly sovereign.

-- A condition which might reassert itself if we managed to repeal a certain amendment and senators would once again be appointed by state representatives rather than be voted in by the people. The people had their representatives in the House.
 
All federal firearms laws are unconstitutional. I obey them only because I have to and resent having to.

What she did was indeed stupid and in a more constitutional reality she should have been fined and if anything worse had happened then prosecuted for what ever charge would have fit.
 
Cheyenne police issued a citation for violation of a municipal ordinance. Apparently they didn't feel they needed to keep the gun in order to get a conviction. If someone had been injured I suspect they would have kept the firearm. The County Attorney in Laramie County can review the case to determine if his office wishes to pursue charges for carrying a concealed weapon per state statutes. For all we know, that discussion took place and the decision was made to go city.

Can someone tell me which Federal Laws were violated? I do understand straw man purchases, but which Federal Law prohibits a parent from loaning a handgun to a child for temporary use? Edited to add: Never mind, I see another thread on staw purchases.
 
Ankeny said:
Can someone tell me which Federal Laws were violated? I do understand straw man purchases, but which Federal Law prohibits a parent from loaning a handgun to a child for temporary use? Edited to add: Never mind, I see another thread on staw purchases.

18 USC 922 (x):
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc_sec_18_00000922----000-.html

(x)
(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer to a person who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe is a juvenile—
(A) a handgun; or
(B) ammunition that is suitable for use only in a handgun.
(2) It shall be unlawful for any person who is a juvenile to knowingly possess—
(A) a handgun; or
(B) ammunition that is suitable for use only in a handgun.
(3) This subsection does not apply to—
(A) a temporary transfer of a handgun or ammunition to a juvenile or to the possession or use of a handgun or ammunition by a juvenile if the handgun and ammunition are possessed and used by the juvenile—
(i) in the course of employment, in the course of ranching or farming related to activities at the residence of the juvenile (or on property used for ranching or farming at which the juvenile, with the permission of the property owner or lessee, is performing activities related to the operation of the farm or ranch), target practice, hunting, or a course of instruction in the safe and lawful use of a handgun;
(ii) with the prior written consent of the juvenile’s parent or guardian who is not prohibited by Federal, State, or local law from possessing a firearm, except—
(I) during transportation by the juvenile of an unloaded handgun in a locked container directly from the place of transfer to a place at which an activity described in clause (i) is to take place and transportation by the juvenile of that handgun, unloaded and in a locked container, directly from the place at which such an activity took place to the transferor; or
(II) with respect to ranching or farming activities as described in clause (i), a juvenile may possess and use a handgun or ammunition with the prior written approval of the juvenile’s parent or legal guardian and at the direction of an adult who is not prohibited by Federal, State or local law from possessing a firearm;
(iii) the juvenile has the prior written consent in the juvenile’s possession at all times when a handgun is in the possession of the juvenile; and
(iv) in accordance with State and local law;
(B) a juvenile who is a member of the Armed Forces of the United States or the National Guard who possesses or is armed with a handgun in the line of duty;
(C) a transfer by inheritance of title (but not possession) of a handgun or ammunition to a juvenile; or
(D) the possession of a handgun or ammunition by a juvenile taken in defense of the juvenile or other persons against an intruder into the residence of the juvenile or a residence in which the juvenile is an invited guest.
(4) A handgun or ammunition, the possession of which is transferred to a juvenile in circumstances in which the transferor is not in violation of this subsection shall not be subject to permanent confiscation by the Government if its possession by the juvenile subsequently becomes unlawful because of the conduct of the juvenile, but shall be returned to the lawful owner when such handgun or ammunition is no longer required by the Government for the purposes of investigation or prosecution.
(5) For purposes of this subsection, the term “juvenile” means a person who is less than 18 years of age.
(6)
(A) In a prosecution of a violation of this subsection, the court shall require the presence of a juvenile defendant’s parent or legal guardian at all proceedings.
(B) The court may use the contempt power to enforce subparagraph (A).
(C) The court may excuse attendance of a parent or legal guardian of a juvenile defendant at a proceeding in a prosecution of a violation of this subsection for good cause shown.
 
Any "17 year old kid named Tyrone in the hood of Detroit" who walks around carrying a purse probably has dire need of a handgun! :neener:
 
NacyLCDR:

Thank you for providing that information. I too think the parents exhibited some pretty poor decision making skills.
 
Some laws suck!

Me: ex Military Police- Retired Colorado Correctional officer.
You can quote every law, regulation or ordinance until you are blue in the face. Remember this. They were written by lawyers safely in their office, passed by legislators, with an agenda, while in their ivory towers and enforced by most LEOs afraid to use their own judgement or they too would face the wrath of the "I'm smarter than you" crowd. Bottom line; government has stepped way over the line and if you want to adhere, go right ahead, but I'll tell you this I have never met a criminal or evil person in prison who gave a rat's a** about the law or let it inhibit him/her from taking advantage of law abiding citizens. Enough is enough, both coasts may be willing to give in but luckily there are some of us who take our responsibility for our own survival to heart and believe we are the masters of our lives. I am not nor ever have been a threat to anyone who wished me no harm.
 
Thank you nickn10! My point exactly only you said it better. These are THEIR laws written AGAINST the people and AGAINST the constitution. I don't care who owns or carries a firearm as long as all citizens can. And people that engage in conversations about "reasonable common sense legislation" have already conceded and may as well throw in the towel. It's the same as saying. "Hey I'm an idiot please let me help you forfeit my rights".
 
I'm against forced CCW classes in general, but I think that they should be provided at a low cost and highly recommended to new shooters and carriers.

The 2A states that a well regulated militia is necessary. In the language of the day, a well regulated militia consisted of citizens trained to proficiency in arms. IOW, even the Founding Fathers knew that people with guns needed to know how use them. This girl obviously was not well regulated.
 
Underage carrying of a concealed pistol and discharging it in public in such a manner to damn near kill someone is not my idea of an innocent mistake.
 
Who in the hell carries a cocked derringer, holster or no holster?
Somebody who spent a little too much time around their mama who thinks guns "just might go off" and Daddy who believe a derringer with less firepower than many air rifles is a viable defensive options for his teenage daugher.
 
Davis and Cobra derringers have to be in the half cock position in order to put the safety on.
 
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