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Need a new pocket knife

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by doc jake, Jan 18, 2008.

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  1. doc jake

    doc jake Member

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    My everyday carry knife is a Spyderco cricket (black handle not the stainless steel model) and I have just discovered that they have discontinued this model. Unfortunately most of my friends work on the idea of “if it’s shine you meant me to have it”. I have therefore decided to “retire” this knife before it ends up as a long term borrow.

    That leaves me with the problem of a replacement. My criteria is;
    • Blade length of 2.5 inches or less.
    • Prefer plain not serrated blade.
    • Folder
    • Lightweight.
    • Pocket clip optional.

    I normally have a Swiss army champion or an early Leatherman in my briefcase or day sack depending on the job. Please remember this is for everyday pocket carry and not intended as a personal defence tool. Normal jobs are cutting string, opening food wrappers, taking splinters out of finger etc. Sorry just the boring stuff, so no cut my way out of a marauding zombie horde hi-tec jobs please. Any suggestions?
     
  2. Zeke/PA

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    I am very partial to the traditional patterns and made in USA stuff.
    The Case knives filll the bill and there are still Schrades and Old Timers to be had.
    I really like the Case Barehead Trapper for a slim single blade daily carry.
    Don't overlook the Case "Sodbuster" for a small, rugged, inexpensive knife.
    Zeke
     
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    For your purposes, it's hard to beat a small swiss army knife (SAK). I've got a little one with 2 blades, scissors, nail file, bottle opener, philips and regular screw drivers, a small light and a small ballpoint pen. Also a small ruler and another gadget I haven't figured out yet. The only thing it doesn't have is tweezers, but other models have that feature. I love it:
    http://www.knifeworks.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=6981
     
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  5. ArfinGreebly

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    Kershaw makes a small folder that I believe meets your requirements.
    • Blade length of 2.5 inches or less. check
    • Prefer plain not serrated blade. check
    • Folder check
    • Lightweight. check
    • Pocket clip optional. no clip

    It's called the Whiskey Gap (model K-4100). Looks like this:
    [​IMG]

    A fair price would be about $40, plus or minus $5. Locally, they're $39.95. I don't know what their availability will be in the UK, and I don't know what the price translation would be (I've seen some prices go directly from dollars to pounds without changing the digits, so you could be looking at £40.)

    I bought one for my wife years ago. I was impressed enough that I later tried to find one for myself. No joy. Until a couple of months ago, when I found them up here. Now I have my own.

    Light. Sharp. Handy. And pretty in the bargain.
     
  6. ArfinGreebly

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    No Locks?

    From the Spyderco site:
    Well.

    Okay then.

    NO locks? They'll be outlawing seat belts next.

    Well, let me think . . . the EKA Swedes sell in UK, and they lock, so what's up with that?

    Anyway . . .

    What comes immediately to mind is the Buck Stockman and others of that series, the Case XX folders, and so on.

    No locks? At all?

    Heck, even my 25-year-old Gerber Silver Knight (2.5 inch) has a stinking lock.

    Well, maybe there's an opportunity here.

    How about a Barlow from a reputable maker? I mean, Case makes those, along with a fistful of others. There have got to be some good Barlows out there. (IIRC, though it's often thought of as the "quintessential American" knife, the Barlow actually originated in UK.)

    But tell me, really, NOTHING with a lock?

    Not even the Wenger Evo S10 SAK?
    [​IMG]

    *Shakes Head*
     
  7. doc jake

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    Funny thing, the law does say no locks, but most pocket knives sold over here do have locks. I normally carry a Spyderco ladybug on my key ring and the cricket in my pocket. I have worked off and on with the Police for the last 10 years and never had a problem.

    I think it’s one of those laws that just get ignored until you step out of line. If you’re in your teens, carrying a large cheep locking knife and looking for a fight then it’s just one more bit of evidence against you.

    Think I’m going to have to buy two new knives now. Spyderco type modern knife for jeans pocket and hunt around the antiques shows and car boot fairs for an old “gentleman’s pocket knife” for those times I’m in a suite.
     
  8. sm

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    Case Peanut will fit the specifications you require.
    I highly recommend Chrome Vanadium Blades.

    http://www.wrcase.com/knives/pocket_knives/browsefolding2.php?Family='Yellow%20Handle'&Folding='1'&Item='0030'
    Another picture:
    http://www.vintageknives.com/tek9.asp?pg=products&specific=jmqrfofrm

    Quite a few folks are in restrictive environments..,
    Case Peanut
    Proven by me and others.

    Steve
     
  9. Matt-man

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    Doc, if you like the Spydercos and a locking blade is OK, I suggest you have a look at the Dragonfly. It's slightly larger than your Cricket, it's lightweight, and it's inexpensive. One more step up in size is the Delica. I own both and they're good knives.
     
  10. ArfinGreebly

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    Peanut

    BTW, what Steve (sm) says about the CV blades?

    Second that.

    I took the time this week to find local dealers that still have Case XX in stock (they're getting harder to find) and identified a Trapper in CV and a Pen (I think) in CV.

    Delightful. No lock (slip joint). Light, very tight, sharp as a nag's tongue, polished as a pint on a hot day, and a very satisfying fit and finish.

    I've ignored these CV beauties for decades. And now at least one is on my "must buy" list.

    There is, however, one drawback.

    They're shiny.

    Your friends will think it's for them.
     
  11. sm

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    Arf,

    You are gonna get spoilt with CV blades.
    The Peanut will totally surprise you!

    You and I have communicated, how a knife is supposed to cut and cut well.
    We shared about Restrictions, not only in the UK, other countries, also here in the USA.

    Now here the legal definition restricts me to a 3.5 inch blade. [Last I checked anyway].
    I really like the Barehead Slimline Trapper, and old favorite I have used with CV blades since I was a kid.
    It is light, thin, easy to pocket carry and proven.
    Serious Hit The Fan.

    Hell I have been out for up to 4 wks in the middle of nowhere, hiking, canoing and portaging with only one of these yellow handled , CV bladed Slimline Trappers.
    Peanut as well!


    Next up for me and my hands is the Mini-Trapper, Trapper, Stockman, Sodbuster, and Sodbuster Jr.

    Lock? I did grow up with one, it was years and years anyone was seen with a Case Mako Shark, then later the Buck 110, and Shrade equivalent around my parts.
    These had the back-lock.

    Peanut configuration is 2 7/8" closed.

    Reality is - we do have Restrictions in Gov't buildings, and settings.
    Closed length, blade length, not lock are also regulated/ restricted in some work environments, campus settings.

    I have been in 5 retail stores, one being Academy Sports where an employee will be fired if they are caught producing a personal knife, of any kind, to do any work in the store, show what they carry, - or even accept to use a knife offered by a customer.

    Yes, we continue to fight for Freedoms, and Rights of guns, knives and everything else...
    Still one has to have a knife "legal" to use in the meantime.

    Academy and other retail /whlse/distributors/mfgs have reasons for this Employee Rule.
    Health & Safety Regs to ensure employee safety and insurance rates.
    Company supplies Box cutters, shears, scissors, and other safety equipment and one has to use it.

    Another is some folks with modern folders, with ease of opening, and locks could not just be nondescript and just produce a knife and in an not attention manner cut what needed cutting - instead made a big show of "whipping that mutha out fast!"

    A customer could not just offer an employee a personal knife to cut a strap - tag, label, they had to act like they were on PCP and doing a Bruce Lee bit and scare other customers the employees.
    The knife may have been seen later, this freak show scared folks, then associated that behavior with that kind of knife and therefore stereotyped people.

    Thanks a lot Bruce Lee does Meth Freak Move posers.

    Like pro gun, some pro-knife folks do more harm to our Freedoms than the Antis do.

    Swiss Army Knives are more society friendly, - still some owners of these display a cult behavior.

    Some buildings will only allow a SAK Classic SD as it is 2 1/4" closed.
    Peanut is not legal in there and the Buck Lancer and similar slipjoints are 2 5/8" closed.

    2 5/8" is being allowed as "legal" as an alternate knife to the SAK Classic SD.
    Some want something different and more traditional.
    SAK has the scissors, nail file, toothpick, and tweezer.

    Folks are being cool, and being responsible knife owners and users and hopefully we are easing up to 2 7/8" as being legal, to allow a Peanut or similar slip joint.

    I read "EDC" and the user share specs, and or environment, well I know a bit about this, and goes way back to when I was brat, and what Mentors shared back then.
    They too knew about non friendly places...

    History is a great teacher, if one pays attention and learns from it.
     
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    My wife saw me looking at a Buck #503 Prince at Wally World ($25) several weeks back - and bought it for me. I loved carrying my Buck #301 Stockman & #110 Folding Hunter for years, but this one is dressy - and small enough for carry anywhere/anytime. It is a basic lockback with a 2.5" blade of shaving sharp 420HC, wood scales, and NiAg bolsters, weighing 2 oz. With the exchange rate as it is, it should be a decent value in the U.K.. It's a neat looking, not too flashy, basic knife.

    Stainz
     
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    Doc, please don't take this as being critical of your criterion.

    I'm just curious: why 2.5" or less?

    I like those shorter blades as well.
    Got one on my SAK. Useful at times.

    But, my EDC of the last two years has been
    a Benchmade Osborne with a blade length of 3.4".
    Love it. Does so much.

    But that's just me.

    Still, I'm curious about that 2.5" criterion.

    Nem
     
  14. Zeke/PA

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    Arf,
    It's true that Case XX local dealers are getting hard to find.
    Time was when most smaller hardware stores carried the Case brand.
    Now even the smaller stores themselves are dissapearing.
    Afew weeks back, a local hardware store announced a closeout on their Case inventory, offering it a half price.
    I couldn't resist and came away with 28 knives, boxes and paperwork included.
    Sadly, Case is one of the few quality makers left in the U.S.
    Zeke
     
  15. ArfinGreebly

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    Dude!

    Zeke, I don't suppose there's any of that inventory you'd care to "share" with the class?

    I've got Sodbuster Jr. in CV on my list, smaller Trapper in CV also on that list, and a Barlow if one exists.

    I mean, I wouldn't want you to have to put up with the clutter of all that old inventory.

    Just trying to help.
     
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    Arf,
    Actually I came away from the store with two Sodbusters for $13.00 each.
    The real scores however were the large folders and large trappers one large trapper being CV and Amber Bone.
    As a bonus, locked up in the back of the display cases,were two 158OT Schrade gut-hook skinners.
    I was back to the store a few days ago and there ain't much left.
    Zeke
     
  18. cracked butt

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    Its really difficult to choose better than a Swiss army knife- and just a plain version with a phillips/flat screwdriver, blade and can opener, not the silliness that you need a backpack to carry around in.

    ^^that would be my choice^^
     
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    You didn't mention price, but there are many options in many price ranges.

    For example, if the knife is really just going to cut simple stuff, by all means, get the SAK. There are so many variations you'll find the one that fits your needs perfectly.

    Two, Spyderco still makes many knives--of many alloys--that will also do the jobs you outline. Go to their website. I'm amazed at how many models they offer. I think I find something new every time I go there.

    Three. Just because you cannot think of a hard-use requirement today doesn't mean the knife won't have to do something tomorrow. I'm one of those guys who buys the best I can afford--and doesn't regret it.

    If I was to choose a knife by your parameters, I would by the mini-version of the Emerson CQC-7. It's a tad bigger at 3-inchs, but its titanium liners and G-10 grips make it very light weight for the strength it has.

    Madison is one of those PC towns where a HAZ-MAT unit shows up if they smell a drop of testosterone on your sweaty brow. But no one minds at all if you have a 3-inch Emerson on your Dockers.
     
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    FWIW..
    IF your not wanting a "Lock" blade then , I believe a Buck Stockman will fit your needs.. I've carried mine since about 1972/73..

    [​IMG]

    Peace ST~
     
  21. sm

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    Nem,

    Re: 2.5" blade criterion.

    Various reasons have been given as to why this criterion is part of policy.
    Some that write up and make policy decisions cannot tell you.
    Often times someone just adapts someone else's policy, and that is that.

    Perhaps:
    -Someone was smart enough to look at knives and any ill intent use and figured a blade that short would not reach vital organs.
    Even looked at a Medical text and got some measurements.

    -Looked at knives and measured a few, and knives with 2.5" blades have to be small, so less threatening, less chance of co-workers getting the idea to use knives in a stressful situation - and tempers flared and the like.

    -Control.
    Pure and simple some places are manipulative and controlling and keep employees under thumb to show them who is "boss".
    Extends to customers seeing "how the company keeps everyone in line" and they like doing business with such folks - maybe they run their business the same way.

    Some believe "governing" masses makes the whole society safer.
    Guns, knives - whatever "tool" some feel people don't need these as the "governing bodies" will keep them safe.

    English Lit instructor I had, originally from the UK, was for gun control, and other "controls" and she was "pushing and cramming down throats" all her ideology.

    --
    Sometimes the answer is whatever seems like the best one to fit the situation, or person asking.

    i.e. One can look up using B. Levine's work on why Sailors used Sheepsfoot/Lambsfoot blades.
    British Issued was Lambsfoot and Marlin Spike for example.

    Ask different folks "why sailors used lambsfoot blades" and answers will include:
    -Historically sailors used these.
    Ask why this "history" and answers run from:
    -Dropping a knife from a mast above to the deck below was less likely to hurt someone versus a "pointy" blade.
    -Keep sailors from stabbing each other when drunk.
    -Not stabbing themselves, or each other, working and rough waters.


    Re: 2.5" again.

    Status and Control.

    All through history, all over the world, peasants, slaves, and other terms for the workers had a single blade knife, they did the work with.
    These knives were simple , being one blade, and one blade knives are less expensive to make.

    The owners, elite, and other terms for those in control - had multi-blade knives first. These were more expensive, since they required more labor to make.
    These folks did not do the work, they controlled those that did the work.
    Elaborate materials for handles, further showed "who was boss" and who had "status", "power" , "money" and "control"

    Smaller and getting smaller was used to show more and more status, power and control - to mirror owning and controlling more peasants, slaves workers, and therefore these owners and elite worked less and less.

    Same reason Elite used powders and chemicals along with umbrellas and parasols to protect them from the sun and be more "white" or "pale".

    Workers outside got sunburned, tanned, and yes even blacks and other races will sunburn and tan.

    The more the Elite was as "pure" or "distanced" by skin tone from workers - the better.


    Case Sodbuster and Sodbuster Jr. Proven workhorse on farms , ranches, outdoor use.
    Take a look, simple one blade design. Note how it resembles "function" of a Svord Peasant knife, Opinels...others too...used by folks that actually "worked" with a knife.

    Kershaw Leek, Sebenza, Emerson, Spyderco, and others...take a look...single blade.
    Some interesting conversations and discussions by Psychologists, Sociologists in regard to these knives, and what they look like and especially handle materials.

    FRN handles, inexpensive stainless steels - and does the symbolism coorelate to a Peasant with a wooden handled single blade knife?

    Peasant would carve designs in handles, not to identify their knife from others, to have some self esteem and not feel "lowly".
    Others would paint, or adorn Peasant knives in some fashion for the same reason.

    Again the Professionals see for instance a Leek, with pretty handles, or a SAK being rescaled in bone, or other materials.

    Do we still have "workers" under control by "owners" and the knife is still symbolic of who owns whom?

    Slip joint such as made by Case, takes hands on doing, and CV blades take some doing to heat treat.
    Phil Wilson and others do a really nice job of heat treating CV and Carbon steel blades.
    Still that slip-joint, takes some hands on , in design and fitting.

    Contrast-.

    J.Q.Public wants to make a "popular modern knife".
    Fires up the computer, with software comes up with a design.
    Sends this to the CAD/CAM downstairs and in a few minutes a prototype is made.

    Tweak the setting on computer, check the price of metals and get the Stainless Steel that will protect his/her machines, come in rolled blanks easy to work, and the price is right.

    Best price on FRN and screws and other needs as well.

    Marketing says "if you limit this to 200 pieces, you can get more money than not - supply and demand if you will".

    Fire up the computer, fire up CAD/CAM and run off those 200 knives in one afternoon.
    $50, $100, $200, heck fire why not "get" $300 for these?

    If you build it - they will buy it.


    Hot damn! You have a $150 knife , one of the 200, and it is made of 420J stainless steel. For a special price, since you have one the "200" you get the screw assorted and little screw tools for $9.95, instead of the normal $16.95.
    Better get that special screw set, pocket clip will moved "tip up" to "tip down" depending in teh Intrawebz discussion of the week.

    Oh Phooey heck darn! You should have gotten that special sharping dealie while you had the credit card out....


    Case Peanut - full retail at the Mom & Pop hardware store, the one the fellow opened up that Sunday you had a plumbing problem - remember?

    $36.90 for the knife, and the Case Soft/Med stone was $9.95 and the Case Hard/White fine was $6.99.
    Honing oil was $3.95 - but you use a dry hone or water - never oil on a stone.

    $53.84 for Case Peanut and two stones.
    You can take this knife to work, being under 3" closed , company policy says so.

    Be a nice person, cut that cheese in the lunch room for the person that cannot bring his knife to work.
    Smile, be polite, nod as they share how it is one of two hundred, and once the credit card gets paid down some , same company is rumored to do a run of 200 knives that really gonna be something else to have!

    Case Peanut does not have screws, no need for that kit he shared about.

    Relaxing at home finally at the end of the day and having used that Peanut all week, sit down and take that 2 7/8" Case Hard Fine sharpening stone, and holding in weak hand, and very lightly touch up blades freehand.
    Drop of sewing machine oil, Ballistol, Kleenbore Formula 3 gun oil, Breakfree CLP, Penn fishing reel oil...whatever is handy oil the pivots and done.


    History is such a neat teacher if one pays attention...
     
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    Excellent choice. If a working cowboy in the USA and Argentina can carry this knife style for over 100 years, you can bet it has many things going for it.

    In truth, I've carried lock-blade knives in various styles since I was eight years old. I realize that many municipalities in this country have lots of regulations, but I've never been stopped, questioned or detained because I had a lock-blade knife.

    It is my belief that law enforcement just uses this tactic to get problematic characters off of the street. At my age, with this much gray hair, most LEOs are worried instead about my cholesterol level.
     
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    Nematocyst, sorry I should have said why. British law says that unless you have good reason i.e. you’re a fisherman who is at that time fishing, we can only carry a pocket knife that is none locking and a blade length of less than 2.5 inches.

    While I do like Spyderco knives and have four of them, when I priced their C94pen knife (made for the UK one) its running at about £70 over here, that’s about $140. While I prefer to buy the best equipment I can, “she who should be obeyed” would kill me if I paid that much for a pocket knife.

    At the moment I think I will buy two new knifes. A case peanut type, case peanuts are about £36 over here, for when I’m a suit. No offence to the Colonials but I’m thinking it really should have Sheffield steel stamped on the blade.

    The other knife is going to be a more modern style and at this moment I’m leaning towards the spyderco co-pilot but that’s not definite yet, too much good information being posted here for me to just jump in and buy it yet.
     
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    A distant cousin to the Stockman is the Wharncliffe Whittler design. Case does something similar called the Seahorse Whittler.

    The flat-ground Wharncliffe wedge profile is just a helluva blade.

    I will obtain one of those for my EDC.

    May cost me a little, but I have owned one and I would certainly own another.

    'Course, there's an emotional component there as well, but I would heartily endorse that whittler design.
     
  25. Tom Krein

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    Sounds like you like Spyderco's... why not get another one of them..??

    There are several that fill the bill...

    There is a limited run of Co-pilots=====> LINK


    The FRN Dragonfly is one of my personal favorites====> LINK


    These are both good little knives and have many of the features you liked in the Cricket. The little Dragonfly is a nice little knife and is very reasonably priced!

    Tom
     
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