Need for high capacity magazines!

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First off I'm not for banning hi cap mags, if you want to own them, knock your self out.

In a case like a home invasion is any one really capable of defending themselves against 7 armed men. Sometimes you may have to surrender in order to survive. Soldiers do it all the time. Yes, allot of soldiers get killed trying to surrender, It might be the only way.

In a "when the SHTF happens" you will need a strong government to respond and you might put yourself to better use by helping people and digging thru rubble than standing around with a gun.
 
It's not considered absolute. At one time we had an American Nazi party and an American Communist party. IIRC, they were declared illegal. Lenny Bruce was arrested several times for saying certain words. During the early seventies several groups tried to start religions based on the cultivation and use of marijuana. That were not allowed to practice their religion.

I believe that you will find that the American Nazi Party and American Communist Party are not illegal these days... What we might have done in the past does not mean that it was necessarily constitutional... With regards to religions though, one only has to look at how the US government made the Mormons change their religion to no longer promote polygamy to see what their true belief is with respect to "freedom of religion". Personally, I think that as long as the religion does not hurt others (who do not either wish to be hurt or who are too young to make an informed decision) it should not be persecuted by the government. As such, ones that promote virgin sacrifices or molestation of youths should probably be restricted.

Just because Lenny Bruce was arrested, it doesn't make what the government did constitutional...
 
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Oh, hey, that's pretty awesome. So you're going to tell anyone who disagrees with you that they're an idiot. No doubt your tactic will prevail.

Nawh, it doesn't do any good to tell an idiot that he is an idiot... He's too stupid to understand, so it's just a waste of your time...

Kind of like arguing with a pig... It just frustrates you and annoys the pig...
 
In a society where the government is designed to always be controlled by the people, possession of high capacity magazines is not reserved for the bureacracy. Possession of arms (and what goes with them) should remain with the people, as the people ultimately ARE the government. Self defense with firearms is a by-product of the right of the people to keep and bear arms, not the primary purpose.
 
IMHO....

The 10 round capacity limitation would be a bad move for the anti-gun agenda for a number of reasons:

1. It so restrictive that it's certain that it would be temporary, sort of like a 55mph national speed limit. You just know it not going to stand. A 15 round limit might last longer, and a 20 round limit might last indefinitely.

2. It's not going to prevent many deaths. Note that in all the media frenzy quoting the number of shootings per year, we didn't hear any estimates of how many shootings there are in a year in which one bad guy fires more than 10 rounds, or how many actual injuries and deaths resulted. There were no comparisons of deaths per incident in states with capacity limits (CA,MA) to the rest of the country. (These guys don't do any homework; it's insulting.)

3. It would squander their political capital. If they could (they can't, but if they could) get a 10 round limit passed, they would be able to pass something more substantial, say a requirement for NICS checks on friend-to-friend sales at gun shows (if that's constitutional). The antis don't seem to understand that they are not just getting some folks annoyed, but making life-long enemies of something in the range of 20%-40% of the voters and taxpayers.

4. It's based on an incomplete analysis. The Tuscon shooter was stopped when changing mags, but that doesn't mean he would have been stopped after one mag if he was using 10 or 15 round mags. It takes time for bystanders to assess the situation, decide whether to flee, or seek cover, or confront the shooter. Colin Ferguson was stopped while changing mags for (I think) the third time. Plus big mags are more awkward than small ones, giving a longer reload time if only by a little.

5. It doesn't belong at the federal level. This kind of gun restriction should be a state matter. Massachusetts is not Arizona, California is not Alaska. There aren't enough resources at the federal level to spend them pursuing magazines. Most arrests where over-capacity mags would be discovered are by state and local cops. Are they going to enforce the federal law? Do the taxpayers want to pay for a federal trial for the magazine as well as the state trial for the original crime? And I may be the only one the US who cares about this, but I think it leads to double jeopardy. If you rob a store with a gun and an overcapacity mag, it should be one incident, one trial; the mag count would what's called an "included offense."

So, IMHO, the current proposal is a bad idea no matter which side you're on.
 
Nawh, it doesn't do any good to tell an idiot that he is an idiot... He's too stupid to understand, so it's just a waste of your time...

Kind of like arguing with a pig... It just frustrates you and annoys the pig...

Advice worth following...
 
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Justin makes some very good points and does wonderful job of deconstructing the argument that the anti gun folks will use against us. And you then go on to infer that he is some how anti and then post totally off topic jokes to prove what?

"Don't censor me, 'bro!"
This is a privately owned forum. You have no rights other than those granted to you by the owner of the board. If you do not like that I would suggest you look else where. Or to put it another way,
I suggest you read this:
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Justin makes some very good points and does wonderful job of deconstructing the argument that the anti gun folks will use against us. And you then go on to infer that he is some how anti and then post totally off topic jokes to prove what?
Actually, I'm poking fun at all of us... Doesn't mean that I'm going to stop arguing though... <grin>
 
To be honnest I never really cared how many rounds where in a magazine. I usually just grab a handful and out the door I go. Sad I know, but even though my favorite rifle holds 9 rds I usually feed them in one by one from the pocket, more times than not I only take five and usually have 3 when I come back.
 
My next intended rifle purchase is probably going to be a .45-70 single shot with a 32" barrel and aperture sights... I'm sure some of the gun banners would consider that a "high capacity" magazine...
 
This thread has pretty clearly gone off-topic.

If others wish to discuss effective means of persuading fence-sitters to our side, a new thread would probably be a good idea.
 
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