I'm new here and am very impressed by all the knowledge and expierence in a vast array of subjects availiable on this Forum. I live in New York State and have a daughter who recieved her Pistol Permit about two years ago. (No small feat in the land of Schumer). The Permit came with restictions. Typed on the permit was " For target and hunting and transport to and from only". I just purchased a new pistol for her to carry and she approached the licensing official and asked for a full carry non restricted permit. The official told her she had to write a letter to the Under Sheriff with her reason for wanting one. I'm at a lose to come up with anything more than BECAUSE ITS HER RIGHT!! Everytime I sit down to start a letter I get upset. I am a member of the NRA but I'm not sure if I should call them on this. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
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BK
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I don't know what to say. I have a hard time even imagining what it must be like to be in that situation. People toss around a phrase online, "All lawful purposes", but what good will that do you? I don't know what to tell you. I don't know how people can allow their government to do this to them. I'm sorry.
Deltaboy1984
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Prayers for you and call the NRA for help.
Don't know all the details on this, but there is a national company that makes and sells boilerplate policy manuals which many police departments use. This saves them the trouble of coming up with a 5 or 6 inch thick booklet of basically useless crap such as how to handle it when there is an evil smell coming from someones locker when they are on vacation. Supposedly this has sections which may or may not be included for each department and it is a computer driven thing. Of course the contents of this are all proprietary. All that said, having to make large cash deposits at night works pretty well as a "reason" in case 2A isn't "enough."
toivo
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There are two ways to approach this, and I would work on both at the same time.
One is to establish the reasons to grant the permit. Self-defense is the general reason, but it would help to hit some specifics. Start with her being a woman and therefore probably at a disadvantage if attacked by a male. You could get something in there about your concerns as a parent and wanting your daughter to be able to protect herself if the need should arise.
The second would be to knock down any potential reasons for not granting the permit. Emphasize that your daughter is a responsible and law-abiding citizen. Get her enrolled in some training (if she isn't already) and mention that fact in the letter. The gist is that society and the State of New York have nothing to fear from your daughter.
And by all means, see if you can find someone in your county who has successfully petitioned for removal of restrictions, and see what they wrote.
I was lucky when I got my permit. I put "for all lawful purposes" on my application, and I got an unrestricted permit right out of the gate. The thing is that there has been such a flood of applications in the past few years that the powers-that-be are flexing their muscles a bit, which is what they tend to do whenever anything new and different happens: "Uh-oh! What's going on here? Unfamiliar situation! Control! Control!"
One is to establish the reasons to grant the permit. Self-defense is the general reason, but it would help to hit some specifics. Start with her being a woman and therefore probably at a disadvantage if attacked by a male. You could get something in there about your concerns as a parent and wanting your daughter to be able to protect herself if the need should arise.
The second would be to knock down any potential reasons for not granting the permit. Emphasize that your daughter is a responsible and law-abiding citizen. Get her enrolled in some training (if she isn't already) and mention that fact in the letter. The gist is that society and the State of New York have nothing to fear from your daughter.
And by all means, see if you can find someone in your county who has successfully petitioned for removal of restrictions, and see what they wrote.
I was lucky when I got my permit. I put "for all lawful purposes" on my application, and I got an unrestricted permit right out of the gate. The thing is that there has been such a flood of applications in the past few years that the powers-that-be are flexing their muscles a bit, which is what they tend to do whenever anything new and different happens: "Uh-oh! What's going on here? Unfamiliar situation! Control! Control!"
medalguy
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Jeez guys, you need to move to Texas. Seriously, I can't imagine what it must be like to live under those kinds of conditions. I thought we fought a war many years ago in order to get these rights secured for ourselves and our grandchildren.
BE SURE you vote next election, and encourage all your similarly situated friends to do the same.
And good luck in the meantime getting the permit. My own daughter just got her CCW permit here in Texas. All she had to do was attend a class with 4 hours range time and send in fingerprint cards and a check. She didn't have to "convince" anyone she needed a reason to carry a weapon for personal protection. That kinda says why right there, doesn't it? A 110 pound woman is no match for a 250 pound guy high on drugs who wants to assault her.
BE SURE you vote next election, and encourage all your similarly situated friends to do the same.
And good luck in the meantime getting the permit. My own daughter just got her CCW permit here in Texas. All she had to do was attend a class with 4 hours range time and send in fingerprint cards and a check. She didn't have to "convince" anyone she needed a reason to carry a weapon for personal protection. That kinda says why right there, doesn't it? A 110 pound woman is no match for a 250 pound guy high on drugs who wants to assault her.
Thanks guys for your suggestions. I will see if I can find someone who has petitioned successfully to have the restrictions removed and find out what they had written. I sometimes have a hard time swallowing the restrictions put on LAW ABIDING citizens of this great state of New York. Whats wierd is right next door in Vermont all you have to do is be of age and you can buy any handgun without restriction. I'll be retiring soon its just one more reason to leave this state.
MtnCreek
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Writing a technical letter:
List goals.
List bullet points that address goals.
Research additional info to backup bullet points.
Write the letter that you want to write.
Sleep on it.
Re-read letter (Crap, I said that??? Crap, plenty of emotions, little fact???)
Now write the letter that will help you achieve your goals.
List goals.
List bullet points that address goals.
Research additional info to backup bullet points.
Write the letter that you want to write.
Sleep on it.
Re-read letter (Crap, I said that??? Crap, plenty of emotions, little fact???)
Now write the letter that will help you achieve your goals.
Horny Toad
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Those conditions sound like a dream come true compared to my options in NJ.
mgkdrgn
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How about; "I would like to be able to carry a gun because a cop is too heavy and all the donut crumbs ruin my suit."
Naaa, that probably wouldn't work ....
Naaa, that probably wouldn't work ....
Mike1234567
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I could give you advice on "being nice" but then I'd have to call your mother horrible names, spit in your eye, then beat the living heck out of you, then kick you when your down, then... 
NavyLCDR
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Because criminals carry and use guns regardless of laws that are in place - hence, the definition of criminal - and I would like to be able to defend myself against actions which the criminal may take against me while they are armed.
Being in the great state of TX myself, I agree that it is very good that we are free of very burdensome restrictions on pistol ownership. However, as someone who is frequently on the range while people are taking CHL classes, the actual range requirements for a CHL are pathetic. I have seen some very unsafe and unskilled individuals get their permits and while the instructor berated and corrected them, they were still doing unsafe things and hardly demonstrating any proficiency in accuracy on a huge target at 5 yards. I would rather that they cut down the classroom time and really work on getting the range skills up to snuff. CHL's are really not for people who have never shot a gun before, yet that is often the type of person who shows up for these classes. Don't get me wrong, I support the right to carry, but I would feel safer if the range test was a little harder.
Good luck with your quest. As for being nice, just try to be a reasonable person and write in a reasonable and factual way without embellishments. Understand that those powers that be believe they have done the right thing in their restrictions. That doesn't mean you have to agree with them, but it won't help you to attack their restrictions or belabor a 2nd amendment argument; leave that to the lawyers.
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Perhaps just state that the "bad-guy" doesn't follow the law, at all, and your daughter just wants a chance to survive any attack against her which is her Constitutional Right! Is she not allowed to save her own life if it ever got down to that? When the police are needed, they are minutes away. Do persons in high places have armed guards? If so, why should they be more important than your daughter? Isn't it everyone's right to be able to live without running the risk of being mugged, robbed, beaten, raped, ad nauseam?
As I said, the bad guys don't follow laws.
It would be nice if everyone, including the hoodlums, followed laws, then we would not need to worry so much about being murdered.
As I said, the bad guys don't follow laws.
It would be nice if everyone, including the hoodlums, followed laws, then we would not need to worry so much about being murdered.
Look at the aspects of her employment for potential help. Does she travel with cash or valuables (work for tips or have to make deposits)? Does she work in an unsafe area? Has she had provable (in writing, texts, voicemails or through witnesses) threats to her safety? Any stalkers or aggressive ex's? Any credible threats to her personal safety can be cited as reasons.
Vermont Guy
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I recently had the restrictions removed from my NY permit.
I gave no reason. It is up to a judge actually, not an under sheriff (or an over sheriff or any other sheriff).
I wrote the judge. Told him my background, former Marine reserve (45 years ago), 10 years carrying on a Flordia permit where legal, completed NRA personal protection course, completed Missouri CCW training, 5 years with NY restricted permit and IDPA experience.
A month later I got a letter from the sheriff telling me to come in and get my new permit. The sheriff does the paperwork, the judge makes the decisions.
It depends on your county. Some places are just that easy, some have training requirements and other counties are impossible.
If she is turned down save everything for the big law suit.
I gave no reason. It is up to a judge actually, not an under sheriff (or an over sheriff or any other sheriff).
I wrote the judge. Told him my background, former Marine reserve (45 years ago), 10 years carrying on a Flordia permit where legal, completed NRA personal protection course, completed Missouri CCW training, 5 years with NY restricted permit and IDPA experience.
A month later I got a letter from the sheriff telling me to come in and get my new permit. The sheriff does the paperwork, the judge makes the decisions.
It depends on your county. Some places are just that easy, some have training requirements and other counties are impossible.
If she is turned down save everything for the big law suit.
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