Need help on choosing ammo...

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Hey guys, need some help from you guys choosing which ammo to use for my shotgun. Here is the deal, this is the first shotgun that I have owned and am a total newb when it comes to choosing the right ammo. I have shot them and handled them before but never owned one. Its a remington 870 with a 18 1/2 barrel and its a 12 gauge. What brand and what size cartridges can I use on this.

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Is it a smooth bore with rifle sights? Or a smooth bore with a bead? With rifle sights, it's intended to shoot slugs.
As with any firearm, you'll have to try as many brands of ammo as you can to find the brand(s) that your 870 gives the best shot pattern or the best group with slugs. Slugs are sighted in the same way a rifle is sighted in.
Shot size depends on what you're doing with the shotgun. Buckshot is useless for hunting for the most part. The length of the ammo your shotgun can use should be stamped on it. 2 3/4" or 3".
 
I dont know if its smooth or bore, its called a riot shotgun, I'm using it to leave it home with the wife for home defense. I was thinking about Hornady 12ga 00buckshot Tap-fdp, but I dont know how touchy shotguns are with tap ammo. Im all about handguns and riffles, lol first shotgun...
 
All the bore is is the inside of the barrel where the projectile is shot through. Most shotgun barrel bores are smooth because you cant put a spin on all the bbs from a shotshell after being fired. Because its a smooth bore that means there is no rifling. Some shotgun barrels have rifling, but thats for slugs.

Birdshot and small game shells range from sizes 1-9 with a 7.5 instead of a 7.

Buckshot sizes range from 1 to 4 and also come in 0,00,000 sizes.

It comes down to what you want to do, if you want it for home defense get buckshot or slugs, which would have the most stopping power.
 
Double och buckshot would probably work well for that purpose. But there will be a lot of collateral damage also-May be mistaken but I think 870 express is chambered for 2 3/4 or 3 inch shells. My Mossberg has what shells it is chambered for stamped on the barrel.
 
Any 2 3/4" or 3" cartridge. Depending on what you're shooting you'll want different loads. For SD/HD you'll probably want #4 Buck.
 
Its a remington 870 with a 18 1/2 barrel and its a 12 gauge. What brand and what size cartridges can I use on this.
Any 12 gauge load that will fit in the chamber will function in the gun. (You will need to ascertain whether it has 2 3/4" or 3" chambers. The shorter shell will work in the longer chamber, but not the other way. There is also a 3 1/2" 12-gauge, but these are specialized and it is unlikely your gun has such chambers.) Being manually operated and not dependent on a certain power level to cycle the action, you can use anything from magnum buckshot or slugs (in the three-inch chamber) to powder puff target loads that will barely blow your nose. ;) The next step is to determine what you want to use a given load for.
 
This should probably be moved to the Shotgunning forum. You'll get better answers there.

Until then:

It's an 870, a reliable shotgun, so it should feed and fire anything it's chambered for. The super-short Aquila shells might not work, but I'll presume you're not even thinking about them.

What you really need to do is gather up a bunch of different kinds suitable to your needs and try them all out. See Dave McCracken's guide on patterning for instructions on how to do that. Since this is for Home Defense I'd suggest trying out some #4 buck of various brands and then some 00 Buck, again, of various brands.

Above all else: Whatever load you pick make sure the wife is comfortable with it. She should practice with it, and if she won't because the recoil is too heavy in the particular shell you chose, well... wasn't much point in buying it, eh?
 
Any particular ammo where I dont get over penetration??
Not really.

Look here: http://theboxotruth.com/ ... really good real world tests on what various rounds do when they pass through drywall / sheet rock. Basically, anything that goes far enough into a bad guy goes right through sheet rock. Heck, I can't do much damage with my fists, but sure enough, I can get it through sheet rock without much effort.

There are some that subscribe to the school of thought that #7.5 shot will work for home defense, provided that the range is close enough that it still acts a bit like a frangible slug, but I'm not in that camp.
 
The most common load for defense is 2 3/4" 00 buckshot. The reduced recoil versions are good.
 
I've got the same shotgun. I keep it loaded with Federal 2 3/4" 00 buckshot. At 10 yards, these loads give me around a 10" spread well centered on the target. I also keep a supply of Brenneke KO slugs on hand. These are the most accurate out of my gun.
 
there are 3 types of 12 gauge shells: 2 3/4 in, 3in, 3 1/2in This is the size, in inches, of the hull after it has been fired and opened up, so while a 3 inch will fit unfired in a 2 3/4th chamber, it will be BAD.

Read the barrel, or action, it will be stamped somewhere with 12 GA 3IN or something.

If you cannot find it, use 2 3/4ths ONLY.

Now, it is a good idea to use 2 3/4ths anyways, because you can squeeze one more shell in the gun that way.

As others have said, there are some special purpose shotguns that have rifled barrels, while it is unlikely yours is one, take a look down the barrel and see if you see riflings. Rifled shotguns = slugs only. Smooth = slugs or shot.

Slugs are one big solid projectile, hits hard, punches through stuff, but moves slow so it isn't a whole lot of good beyond 100 yards.


Shot is a bunch of small projectiles. A very standard loading will launch 1 1/8th OZ of lead. Sometimes they go with 1oz for a bit faster speed, sometimes tehy go with 1 1/4th oz for more pellets, but whatever.

Here's the deal, lead is lead, oz is oz, so for a given 'payload' of 1 1/8 oz of lead shot, what is going on, what is the difference?

Shot size is the difference. the smallest is 'standard shot' which is given a number value. 10 is the smallest all the way up to 1, with some b, bb, t, tt etc to denote stuff a bit larget than 1 After that there is another scale called buck shot, again big number denotes smallest size, from 4 to 0, then 00, and 000 to denote larger yet.

So with a given 1 1/8 oz of lead shot, if you have a very small shot size, you have many many many projectiles. If you have very big shot size, you ahve a lot less projectiles.

So more is always better right? NO! You are still throwing the exact same weight of lead. If you placed the barrel inches from the target, it would pretty much all be the same. However, after a few feet the shot is no longer all in one blob, it starts to spread out. The smaller the shot, the GREATER total surface area the entire load has exposed to air. Smaller shot looses it's velocity faster, and each individual pellet often doesn't do much. Of course, collectively, many small pellets can do a lot...as long as the target is close ehough that they aren't slowed down too much by air resistance. A slug at 150 yard shots will probably miss the target, but what it does hit it will hit hard, same with a handful of large buck shot, but very small shot at 150 yards...well if it gets there it won't do much. Look at Dick Cheney's hunting buddy.

So for home defense, it is a balancing act. Just like there is more surface for the air to act on with small shot size, small shot is also looses more when it needs to punch through a wall. This is normally a good thing because you DONT want to punch through a wall...but then you are also loosing the ability to punch deep into a human body and do damage enough to stop the guy...especially at longer ranges.

Of course, in a house, what kind of ranges are you talking about? Short.

I've chosen #4 buck as my comprimise, I know guys who go with #1 standard as their comprimise, but whatever works. #8 standards, while real small, at close range (bedroom back wall to bedroom door) are capable of taking off the top of a human skull. Unpleasant as it is take a look at photos of hunting accidents, these are most often small shot (they were planning on shooting birds after all) at very close range....not watching where the muzzle was going when the hunting party is getting in the truck, or over the fence, or in the boat, etc.
 
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