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Need Recommendations For An AR Platform .308/7.62 Rifle

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by JohnnyFlake, Jun 24, 2016.

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  1. JohnnyFlake

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    Decided to purchase a .308/7.62 Rifle in an AR Platform. I do not want to pay the prices on the high-end $2000 Plus madness that is out there. Looking to spend around $1500 I don't need all the fancy rails and other junk they put on these things now days. I just want something well made & reliable.
     
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  2. Quentin

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    I recently bought the ArmaLite AR-10A DSR10, also known as the DEF10. If you're looking for a basic, reliable carbine (16" midlength gas) that uses SR-25/PMAG magazines it's pretty hard to beat at the $1000 price point. The rest of your $1500 budget can do nice things to it.
     
  3. Jackal

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    DPMS GII AP4, like mine. I got it for $850, after DPMS $200 rebate and credit card $200 rebate.:D
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  4. JohnnyFlake

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    That's very, very nice!

    How long ago did you get it?
     
  5. Jackal

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    Last Black Friday.
     
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    If you do find the cash but actual quality makes a difference, Stay away from Black Rain. Happy to tell you well over 2500 reasons to look elsewhere. Good luck! Hope you reload. Those things are addictive and like to be fed.
     
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    DPMS GII X2 love mine I got the hunter model:D
     
  8. JohnnyFlake

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    I do reload, been doing so for far too many years. Problem is, I only reload handgun ammo, never have done any true rifle ammo. That will be a whole new ballgame, if I decide to try it. I think I'm getting too old for that challenge.
     
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    If you reload, you might look at a pistol caliber AR. I've been thinking about a 9mm AR; which is what my pistols shoot.
     
  10. JohnnyFlake

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    I already have several pistol caliber rifles.

    No pistol caliber rifle compares to a .308 round, not even my .454 Casull Rossi Lever Gun!
     
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    I like my Colt...no problems at all. Just a trigger upgrade.
     
  12. Freedom_fighter_in_IL

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    Another option for you would be a build. You can come out spending less money for a better rifle. I just finished one in .338fed coming in under $1300 total for a rifle that would be well over $2000 if you could find a company using the same quality parts. Your uppers and lowers are pretty much the same anywhere (to an extent of course). Where you want to NOT skimp is barrel, bolt carrier group, and trigger quality. I would also suggest an adjustable gas block for tuning. That way if and when you DO start reloading for your rifle, you will be able to load up some hotter rounds without over gassing. Aero Precision has great quality parts and pretty sporty prices as well. Too many quality barrel makers out there for me to list that are making top notch barrels for AR's. It's pretty much how accurate you want and how much you're willing to spend. Personally, I wouldn't waste money on a .30 cal or larger AR 10 platform with a barrel less than 20 inches. If you are going to reduce your capabilities of accuracy and speed by having a 16 inch barrel, you may as well go with some of the AR 15 offerings such as the 6.8 SPC , 6.5 Grendel, .458 SOCOM , and last but certainly not least, .50 Beowulf!
     
  13. Jackal

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    You lose about 100fps between a 16-20" barrel. Hardly a big loss for the added mobility/weight savings of the shorter tube.
     
  14. Freedom_fighter_in_IL

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    It wasn't as much about the speed from barrel length as much as accuracy for ME. I tend to hold a little better off hand with a rifle a bit more front heavy. Most people do actually. Myself, my LR's are for range. I pull them out when I am expecting long shots on hogs 300yds+
     
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    DPMS G2. I have a Recon that i lighted up with a MI Keymod handrail. Put on an adjustable gas block.
    The G2 is really revolutionary in extraction and ejection reliability. I spent months researching everything from high end off the shelf to building one myself and concluded that the technology of the G2 made everything else obsolete.
    Been totally happy with mine thus far. Accurate and reliable.
     
  16. kimberkid

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    The lower end 308 AR's have always disappointed me ... I guess a 1" group was expecting too much, but I understand makers have stepped quality up somewhat over the last few years.

    I've got an older (preban) KAC SR-25 Match, I gave $3000 for back in the mid 90's and the same gun now (used) is still in the $2500+ range but it still shoots 1/2 to 3/4" groups after 10,000 rounds.

    I got a SiG 716 DMR a couple years ago and a DPMS LR-308 5-6 years before that ... I've owned an Armalite and last week I bought a Spikes upper/lower set to build so we'll see how that turns out.

    I also have friends that own the DPMS G2, the new Bushmaster, LMT's and a few others ... my SiG DMR is a close second to my KAC but SiG doesn't guarantee their guns will shoot a specific group size (KAC says thier guns will do .75" or less at 100)

    Everyone seems to like what they have ... in my stable, I'm thinking about selling the DPMS to fund the new build because at 1.4" groups its the heaviest and the least accurate.

    I think a lot depends on your expectations and your budget ... I have heard a lot of people liking their DPMS G2's but I haven't been particularly impressed with the ones I've actually seen and handled.
     
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  17. Jackal

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    The DPMS GII really shines when you want a lightweight AR10, not the typical 10lb beast. They are easy to get into the 6lb range.
     
  18. ColoradoMinuteMan

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    I realize it's only a 16 inch barrel on that GII, but I just have a hard time liking the idea of a carbine length gas system on a .308. The .308 ARs I've been around certainly have no shortage of gas. Hopefully, they have compensated in the size of the gas port.

    When it comes to a cartridge like .308, in my opinion there is a such thing as too light. It's all subjective to personal preference. I personally think some additional weight is nice for absorbing some recoil. My goal when I built mine was to approximate the weight of a .308 hunting rifle which is often in the 8-9 lb. range before optics. It's enough weight to provide some dampening qualities but light enough to for mobility. The rifle I built was based on Aero Precision M5E1 receivers and parts with the exceptions of a Faxon 18.5 medium tapered barrel and an SLR Sentry adjustable gas block. It weighs in at 8 lbs sans optics and I don't think I'd want ot go any lighter.

    Also, do yourself a favor and get a rifle stock. .308 barrels are quite a bit heavier than a 5.56 and the rifle stock provides MUCH better balance. I used a Magpul MOE rifle stock and it provide just enough additional weight and leverage without adding too much weight.
     
  19. JohnnyFlake

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    I truly appreciate all the incoming info and opinions, I really do!

    FYI I should state that I am not interested in, or seeking a weapon, that will shoot 1" or 2" groups at a couple hundred yards. If I can put a 5 shot group with in an 8" plate size circle, at a couple of hundred yards, that will work for me!

    I do understand the differences between a 16" barrel and a 20" barrel and it does not seem that important to me. I am more interested in the portability, than a very slight edge in performance, at longer distances.
     
  20. Jackal

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    My 6.8lb GII doesnt recoil any harder than a 7.62x39 AK and I'm recoil sensitive. Its odd really, it should kick harder than it does. The carbine gas system doesnt seems to impact anything. Brass tosses out to the side about 6ft. Its accurate enough for me, I can shoot tennis balls at 100 yards with cheap bulk FMJ ammo.
     
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  21. ColoradoMinuteMan

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    The feel of a firearm certainly is subjective and personal in many cases. I must admit, I'm surprised to hear that the AK and the GII both have similar recoil feel for you being of similar weight. I'm not very recoil sensitive (probably comes from growing up with a 30-06 as my first rifle), but I can tell a big difference between my Aero M5E1 in .308 (with optic and rings 9lb) and my SKS (8lbs). Of course, in my opinion the SKS is the smoothest firing .30 caliber rifle I've ever fired.

    Anyhow, glad it's working for you, that's really all that matters.
     
  22. Jackal

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    Lets put it this way: I can go out in a tank top, drop 200rds through my GII without leaving any marks on my shoulder's little squishy spot. I will say though, the massive factory muzzle device on the AP4 does an amazing job negating recoil effects. Then again at 4oz, it should. Of course, my GII now looks like this, with an adjustable gas block, waiting for the ATF to sign off on my Griffin Recce 7 silencer...

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  23. ColoradoMinuteMan

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    Looking good. How do you like your Aero Precision ultralight scope mount? Although, I mostly like mine, I did find that it made leveling the scope a little more challenging since it did tend to rotate slightly as I tightened the screws. It is nice and light and stable though that is for sure.

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  24. kimberkid

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    I never really understood the logic of a full power cartridge like the 308 with a 16" barrel ... doesn't it loose a lot of power with such a 16" barrel?

    I know my PAP-92 SBR (think 762x39 AK) with a 9" barrel doesnt have near the reach that my 16" AK's have ... its kind of like comparing baseball to slow pitch softball ... except it has a huge ball of fire that is pretty impressive in low light :what:
     
  25. Jackal

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    I love them. I have a few and swear by them. They do rotate a slight bit while tightening, but I just clock the scope a little crooked the opposite direction before tightening down. A little tinkering and it comes out level.

    Nope, .308 only loses about 100fps going from a 20" down to 16". Neither you nor the target will notice 100fps within any reasonable distances.
     
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