Need some good pepper spray or similar for PRCA

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The only two brands I have used is FOX labs and Sabre Red.

Both of these are top shelf.
 
Sabre red level III DPS sprays are much worse than fox (I know first hand + I sell the stuff)! Sabre level III sprays are rated and @ 1.33% Major Capsaicinoids nearly twice that of fox labs 5.3, don't get me wrong though (fox is still pretty nasty)! People see the 5.3 million SHU and automatically assume it the hottest stuff, it just a marketing ploy that seems to work/trick people very well!

http://www.wesfire.com.au/suppliers/pdfs/sabre/2006_sabre_catalog.pdf



 
well gunsmith just answered a question i had about spray..

i guess i wont be buying that industrial size can of Bear Spray to use on humans now..damn cant have anything now days , i figured if i was gonna use some sort of spray might as well get the good/strong stuff, oh well
 
Get something alcohol based. The water based takes a while to become effective. The alcohol does a great job of getting to the target, and also allowing some to atomize for inhalation too. Small Cap-stun is what I carry (love it), and the MK3 party cans are water based and are less "feared" by those who get sprayed often, while in custody.

Justin
 
You might want to add

a large fixed-blade knife. CA knife carry laws aren't bad, really. Any size fixed blade, open carry only, any sized folder, carriable concealed. No mechanical assisted opening on folders.

--Shannon
 
An open carry fixed-blade knife is acceptable in only a few social situations; your average office would not qualify, while I'd bet your average loading dock would.

Better with the folder.
 
This thread got me to thinking. Several months ago my daughter asked if I thought she shold carry pepper spray. I got on Ebay and ordered two units of a spray called Diablo. (Anybody heard of it or used it?) I ordered two because one of her friends in the office wanted one too. These sprays were advertised as three million SHU's.

After reading these posts I ordered two units of the Fox two ounce size and intend to replace the Diablo units with these. The reason is that when I checked the auction's site the Diablo was not available now. No insult toward Diablo; most of the posters seem to think the Fox is the best and that's good enough for me.
 
I've carried my

5.25" blade / ~10" overall Anza 705 on my belt just about everywhere... without comment or reaction from anyone. If I ever needed it (I haven't), it'd be faster to deploy than a concealed large folder, I think.

It hasn't been an issue for me, socially. Of course, if someone did say something, I'd be unlikely to care much, but that's just me. It's legal, and they can buzz off. Unless it's a store owner or suchlike asking me not to carry the knife in the store, of course. But it's never been an issue. I expect that, given the awareness of most folks, I could walk around with caribou antlers on my head, wearing a pink chiffon evening gown, and nobody would notice.

--Shannon

PS - I'm a guy
 
Kershaw makes a nice, little, and concealable knife. It has an assist spring for quick opening and can be purchased at any local OSH for about $70, so it's got to be legal. They also have a clip for the outside of the pocket. I think the blade is just under 3".

I drove through Compton several years ago with a '64 Malibu and a shaved head(USMC) and was told by a gas station attendant to keep on moving for my sake. Didn't realize were I was and needed gas. Such a sheltered life, that base living.

Good luck to you.
 
The spray I carry for work is a "restricted" OC I actually dont know if thats a state or federal thing but I could guess that California is LESS friendly do this than Oregon. The fox labs spray is suppose to be top notch also ASP makes a spray that is good.


FYI I have only used OC in training and never in a SD situation.
 
OC sprays...

I would not get an alcohol based chemical agent if you plan to use stun guns or taser type weapons also. This may cause a big fire hazard. :uhoh:

I heard of a retarded woman who went on a rampage and was hit with alcohol based OC spray. She was still combative and LE then used a taser. The woman's clothes caught on fire and she had burns all over from the mixture.

Rusty S
 
If you can afford a tazer, screw the OC. :D Tazers are MUCH more effective in stopping somebody in their tracks. True on the Alcohol base igniting with shock.

Justin
 
I've sampled Fox Labs OC in training, and can attest that it does what it is supposed to.
 
The Fox Labs spray isnt legal in CA because it lacks the proper specifically worded warning on the canister. CA doesnt have restrictions on strength or the type of spray.
It does however have to have a warning which states:

"WARNING: The use of this substance
or device for any purpose other than self-defense is a crime under
the law. The contents are dangerous--use with care."


Below is the exact requirements for defensive sprays in CA.

IMHO, the Sabre Red and the Bodyguard Hi-Power are stronger sprays anyways.



12403.7. Notwithstanding any other law, any person may purchase,
possess, or use tear gas and tear gas weapons for the projection or
release of tear gas if the tear gas and tear gas weapons are used
solely for self-defense purposes, subject to the following
requirements:
(a) No person convicted of a felony or any crime involving an
assault under the laws of the United States, the State of California,
or any other state, government, or country or convicted of misuse of
tear gas under subdivision (g) shall purchase, possess, or use tear
gas or tear gas weapons.
(b) No person who is addicted to any narcotic drug shall purchase,
possess, or use tear gas or tear gas weapons.
(c) No person shall sell or furnish any tear gas or tear gas
weapon to a minor.
(d) No person who is a minor shall purchase, possess, or use tear
gas or tear gas weapons.
(e) (1) No person shall purchase, possess, or use any tear gas
weapon that expels a projectile, or that expels the tear gas by any
method other than an aerosol spray, or that contains more than 2.5
ounces net weight of aerosol spray.
(2) Every tear gas container and tear gas weapon that may be
lawfully purchased, possessed, and used pursuant to this section
shall have a label that states: "WARNING: The use of this substance
or device for any purpose other than self-defense is a crime under
the law. The contents are dangerous--use with care."
(3) After January 1, 1984, every tear gas container and tear gas
weapon that may be lawfully purchased, possessed, and used pursuant
to this section shall have a label that discloses the date on which
the useful life of the tear gas weapon expires.
(4) Every tear gas container and tear gas weapon that may be
lawfully purchased pursuant to this section shall be accompanied at
the time of purchase by printed instructions for use.
(f) Effective March 1, 1994, every tear gas container and tear gas
weapon that may be lawfully purchased, possessed, and used pursuant
to this section shall be accompanied by an insert including
directions for use, first aid information, safety and storage
information, and explanation of the legal ramifications of improper
use of the tear gas container or tear gas product.
 
Sabre vs. Fox Labs

Sabre red level III DPS sprays are much worse than fox (I know first hand + I sell the stuff)! Sabre level III sprays are rated and @ 1.33% Major Capsaicinoids nearly twice that of fox labs 5.3, don't get me wrong though (fox is still pretty nasty)! People see the 5.3 million SHU and automatically assume it the hottest stuff, it just a marketing ploy that seems to work/trick people very well!
Click to expand...

The Sabre spray contains tear gas as well as pepper spray. Thus it is more effective, but legal in fewer places.

Here in Eugene, Oregon, it is sold in the malls at cultery stores.
 
I think the Sabre spray that contains CS Tear gas along with OC is called Sabre Advanced or Sabre Defense. When they mix CS and Oc together, they usually put alot less OC in with it. A high OC content along with CS becomes too thick to spray (thats what the makers of Sabre told a friend of mine). I think the one that is mixed with CS only has a .13 CRC level in it, while the Sabre Red DPS has a 1.33% CRC. CS tear gas doesnt work well on enraged people, people under the influence or mentally disturbed, which are the people who you would most likely have to use it on. That leaves you with a spray thats only effective ingredient is OC at .13 % CRC, compared to the Full strength Sabre Red DPS (get the alcohol base, not the H2O base) spray.
 
"can be purchased at any local OSH for about $70, so it's got to be legal"

A dangerous assumption. You might be right, but I see knives for sale all the time in Oklahoma that are illegal acccording to our knife law.

I held a "demo" model of the Guardian Angel the other day. I like it because it's flat and so easier to carry in a pocket. I think it would fit in some cell phone holsters, too. I don't know how powerful the spray is. I didn't buy it because it seems a little high, 35 bucks, but I guess if it saves your life that's cheap.
 
Destroyer911 said:
The Fox Labs spray isnt legal in CA because it lacks the proper specifically worded warning on the canister. CA doesnt have restrictions on strength or the type of spray.
It does however have to have a warning which states:

"WARNING: The use of this substance
or device for any purpose other than self-defense is a crime under
the law. The contents are dangerous--use with care."
Click to expand...

Does it have to be those exact words? My 4oz can of Fox has the following:

"WARNING: The use of this product for any purpose other than self defense is a criminal offense."
 
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