"Never tell a soul about your CCW"

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I am somewhat new to CCW. Have only carried for about 2 months now.

When i first got my CCW I was so excitied. It took so long to get it, once i did - i wanted to tell the world. But, what i realized is that within my group of friends, i have never really talked about guns. I didn't know how many anti's i had. Most of these are girlfriends / wifes of buddies i have. But after many strange looks and condecending comments, i stopped telling people all together. Like others have said, when you tell someone - you don't know who they will tell.

Also, when i first got my pistol, prior to my even applying for my CCW, i decieded that if i have a gun in the house - you can bet my wife will know how to use it.

If I am out of town or if i was taking out by a BG, i think it is critical that your wife / mate know that you have a gun and know how to use it. Sames goes with my son and daughter once they get older.

Cheers!
 
Especially in civil suits for money damages where only a "preponderance of the evidence" (or only 51% of a burden of proof, as opposed to "beyond all reasonable doubt") knowledge can mean everything... knowledge can be the difference between and insult and a death threat, being liable or not, an accident or "wrongful" act, and $4 or $4 million in damages (irrespective of legal fees).

And- for whatever reason- juries in southern states have a tendency to give out massive damages. In civil court, the issue might often not be whether you were "right" or "wrong" but whether the "victim" (who could be entirely in the "wrong" from a common-sense or criminal perspective) deserves compensation for their injuries. Depending on who knows you're carrying, a case could go very badly for you.

Limiting the knowledge, in general, limits liability across the board.
 
There are many people who know I Carry Concealed Weapons

I spend a lot of time with rich neo-liberals. These are the types of people who spent a lot of time in college, so they are knowledgeable, and they just want to help you. Well, I think it is important that these people learn that people who carry guns don't necessarily date their sisters. I think of it like how some of the first black men to be successful in business opened up the gates for others by smashing stereotypes.

One time my boss told me about how his son treated every stick like it was a gun. I said that the curiosity was natural, but that his son should be taught so that he does not make a mistake and handle a gun unsupervised. I recommended the NRA safety course for kids and offered to take his son to the range to be taught how to safely use a firearm. He stated that he had a police officer friend who "was really good with guns, like he is always carrying it, just like on the street and stuff". I said that it is not unusual, and that if he ran into me in New Hampshire (where I live, and he frequently visits), I would be very likely to have one too.

DW
 
I think sometimes that new CCWers have a "need" to tell others that they're carrying, some with an almost religious zeal. After all they've thought about self defense and gone to the trouble to get a license, and made a mental commitment to protect themselves. It's understandable to feel like this makes you a better prepared person, and want to share that revelation to others you care about.

The problem I see with this is you are forcing your opinion on those who you inform, especially those who you know don't share your views. My father and brothers know that I have my CHL. They don't know when I am actually carrying, unless it becomes necessary for me to explain why I can't go to restricted location like a bar. The rest of my family knows that I have firearms, and like to shoot guns. I have no idea if they know that I carry, I haven't told them, and I suspect that most of them do not. I know that I don't tell my mother because she has, in my opinion, an irrational fear of guns and would be uncomfortable with the thought of my carrying one around her. I suspect that my step-mother would be the same way from some of the things she has said to my step-brother, so I didn't talk about my CHL around her and she doesn't know about it.

The guys at my local gun shop know that I have my CHL because they see it when I purchase a firearm. We've also discussed carry guns and methods, so I imagine that they suspect that I'm carrying when I go to the shop. I also suspect that they are carrying too. :)

I didn't have my CHL when I was married, but if I did I would have told my wife, if only for practical reasons. When getting dressed it would have been occasionally obvious that I was carrying, and she had on occasion carried herself and wouldn't make a big deal over it. Not sure at this point that I could have a serious relationship with someone who would make an issue over me carrying.

Tex
 
First of all, public records are breached all the time. In Oregon
you automatically are in a public records that civilians handle
through the DMV. Any LEO that runs your plate, that CCW
info. is given every time, and is known to him before your wheels
stop turning. Some states allow open carry in most not in many
areas. Before obtaining a CCW, years ago in a fairly large city
in California, wence I left to live here, my 70 Harley wore a GI leather
scabard that was attached to the right front fork. It contained a
520 Stevens trench 12 ga. I'm sure the LEOs had seen it, but
never a stop and ask. I would hope this may have kept a civil
air without a need to question:D To the person from Washington.
I two would love to carry interstate. We need to elect people
who can see the wisdom of carry in one state is good for any
other state.:what:
 
telling the right people can be a good thing. after i got my ccw, i told a few free thinking, intelligent guys that i had gotten my ccw. i told 7 people to be exact. out of those 7 people, 5 have recieved or have applied for their ccw, and the 6th guy,who opted to not ccw, did at least purchase his first firearm for HD after teaching him the 4 rules and then showing him how to shoot. the 7th guy is a gun guy, he is just too lazy to apply. he says he's gonna, but he will probably never get around to it. 5 new ccw'ers is a good thing.

on the other hand, "out of sight, out of mind" is pretty good policy too. if nobody knows, then nobody knows to bring it up in say Wal Mart, or Waffle House. if you decide to keep it to yourself, that is playing it safe. if you decide to tell a few people, use discretion. pick intelligent, and logical people that won't be stupid enough to ask if you are packing while you are surrounded by complete strangers waiting in line at Chili's.
 
It's all up to you, really.

Two people know I carry - my brother and a close friend. I suspect others in my shooting group know, but it's not really brought up unless we talk about how to get one.

I don't tell anyone for the following reason.

Person A knows you carry a gun. Person A tells person B, person B tells person C, etc. Person D does not like you. A lot. Person D sees you wandering around town, decides to have some fun. Calls 911. "Hey, there's a rabbit over at the mall in the Sears store, wearing a brown shirt and blue pants who waved a gun around. Think it was a Glock. No, don't want to give my name. *click*

Cops show up, see the bunny in the brown shirt and blue pants, search him and find a gun. My story: "I was browsing power tools. I never produced the weapon." Cops story: "We have a phone call saying someone matching your description was waving a gun around, and look, here's a gun. How else would they know?"

No one needs to know I'm carrying. I try and keep it that way.
 
I've been carrying a concealed handgun for over 10 years and have tried to keep the people who know about it to a minimum, for no better reason than carrying is my personal business, which I prefer to keep to myself (if knowledge is power, maybe I figure it's not something to give away). Anyhow, my wife knows about my carrying. My brother also knows about it--he has a concealed handgun license himself. One or two long-time friends know about it. That's about all. YMMV. :cool:
 
I'm not sure how you married guys carry without your wives' knowledge. :uhoh: My wife frequently feels my CCW when she hugs me - no big deal.

I don't let many people know I carry - too many people have a hard time keeping their mouths shut and make a big deal over something I consider everyday, normal behavior.

Carry and keep it quiet.
 
If you side carry, when you hug keep that arm low. It forces the other person to put their arm high, and they will miss your gun as your arm will cover it. Unless you're hugging my dad, who goes low on that side of me like his life depends on it. If it gets felt up in a hug and queried I just say it's my phone.
 
If it gets felt up in a hug and queried I just say it's my phone.

I can't use the phone line because I keep mine is a shirt pocket. So if anyone ever notices my hogleg, I have a completely truthful, if somewhat misleading answer ready. It is my PDA - Personal Defense Accessory. :evil:

Just as another observation in general, there seems to be an assumption that those of us who don't worry about telling people tell anyone and everyone. I don't think that is true. At least, I know it is not true in my case. Just because I tell people doesn't mean I tell everyone all the time. I do not share make and model, round capacity, special features, or any of that stuff anyway.

I do not worry about people discovering my ownership of guns and plotting to steal them. I also own cameras, computers, TVs, stereos, and lots of other things people like to steal.

I do not worry about someone plotting to turn me into the police because they don't like me. I have been through that and it fizzled miserably on the idiot who tried. I suppose it could happen, but this falls into the category of the guy who was worried about his fingerprints on the gun in the gunshop cabinet.

In short, I don't worry about a lot of things. I do worry about bad guys, morons on the road, and whether or not I am going to get everything done I need to do that day, but there are too many things in life to enjoy without going through it fearful of everyone and everything around me.
 
I'm not sure how you married guys carry without your wives' knowledge.

I was wondering the same thing. It's a bit alarming. My GF whines sometimes about bumping into it. Plus it interferes with snuggling at times.
 
"...concealed means concealed," true, physically. It doesn't mean people cannot know you carry. If they are your freinds, they will respect your decision. Hades, they are safer because you carry! My suggestion, take them shooting, and encourage them to get their CCWs. By the way, maybe it's time to leave the bar scene. Nothing good happens in a bar that does not happen in your home for far less money. JMHO.
 
Whoever came up with the notion that ownership of guns is something that is shameful and that lawful gun owners should hide guns like criminals?

http://local.lancasteronline.com/6/203265

Packing heat in plain view

Surprise. In Pennsylvania and 43 other states, any law-abiding resident 18 and older can carry a loaded handgun on his hip in plain view to shopping malls, restaurants and on strolls down the street. No permits required, no questions asked. You thought you needed a permit for that? Nope, only if you conceal the gun.

By AD CRABLE, Outdoor Trails
Lancaster New Era

Published: Apr 24, 2007 12:18 PM EST

LANCASTER COUNTY, PA - The security guards at Park City mall don't carry guns, but Patrick Miller packs heat on his hip in plain view when he strolls amid the shoppers with his family.

Miller, 30, of Atglen, has a permit to carry a concealed weapon, but he has worn his loaded semi-automatic 9 mm handgun in the open to dozens of restaurants, sporting events, his church, movies — almost everywhere he goes in his leisure time.

Most people who even notice the gun on his waist assume he's a law enforcement officer.

Most don't know — and many likely will be shocked — to learn that any law-abiding citizen over the age of 18 in Lancaster County can wear a loaded firearm in public.

No permits are required — you only need one if you plan on concealing your gun.

That's a throwback to pioneer and Wild West days when only people thought to be cowardly or up to no good hid their guns in public.

"Open carry," as it's called by guns-rights advocates, is a long-established basic right that's existed since frontier days.

Only six, mostly Southern, states have moved to restrict that right — and those were largely racist actions to keep African-Americans from arming after the Civil War, open-carry groups say.

There are a few places in Pennsylvania where you can't walk around with a visible, loaded handgun, such as in schools, courthouses, state parks and the Capitol. In Philadelphia, you can open carry if you have a license to carry a firearm.

Though there is hardly a gun-carrying shopper in every supermarket in Lancaster County, open-carry gunholders may be increasingly exercising their right here and around the country.

There are between 18,000 and 20,000 Lancaster County residents with permits to carry a concealed firearm — that's about one in every 25 county residents.

However, many permit holders don't carry — they just want to exercise their right, observes Mark Reese, chief deputy Lancaster County sheriff.

Since there are no records kept, no one knows how many people open carry guns in public here. Reese thinks not too many "because they know they would be hounded every step of the way."

Even those that do carry often have the guns on their hips mistaken for cell phones.

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The right to carry firearms issue has been spotlighted by last week's shootings at Virginia Tech.

Guns-rights advocates, including former Mountville resident Michael Stollenwerk, have pushed bills in the Virginia legislature the last couple years that would forbid colleges from preventing students 21 and older with permits to carry concealed handguns on campus.

Virginia Tech officials, in particular, successfully lobbied to beat back such bills and to keep guns off campus. Tech promises to expel any students who bring their handguns to school.

After the defeat of one of the bills, Virginia Tech vice president Larry Hincker told the Roanoke Times, "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's efforts because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on campus."

In a letter to the editor chastising a Virginia Tech student graduate student who thought his basic rights were being abridged, Hincker said, "The writer would have us believe that a university campus, with tens of thousands of young people, is safer with everyone packing heat. Imagine the continual fear of students in that scenario. We've seen that fear here, and we don't want to see it again."

Would the scenario have been any different in Blacksburg last week if students with permits hadn't been barred from having guns?

"By lobbying against a common sense bill...the Virginia Tech administration virtually ensured that students would be caught in a victim disarmament zone," offers Stollenwerk, 44, co-founder of the Opencarry.org Web site and now studying to be an attorney at Georgetown University.

"There's a good chance that somebody in that building, had the rule not been so draconian, might have been carrying that day and been able to disrupt that attack.

"We shouldn't have gun bans anywhere where there isn't real security."

Adds John Pierce, Stollenwerk's Opencarry.org co-founder from Bristol, Va., "The (mass murderer) Cho's of this world are already going to be armed. The real question is what can we, as good guys, do to protect ourselves."

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So why do people like Stollenwerk and Miller insist on carrying a gun in public?

Miller, who is co-owner of a pole barn manufacturing company in Atglen, grew up a Mennonite, a religion well known for its pacifism. He has since switched churches.

When he started a family, Miller says he felt a duty to protect his family. "I really feel there's no one as responsible as I am for the well-being of my family," he says. "The police can't be at all places at all times.

"I'm confident it's a deterrent to have an armed populace."

The shootings of the Amish schoolchildren at Nickel Mines also weighed on him.

Last fall, the father of two went through a background check and obtained a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

Sometimes he carries his handgun — one very similar to the one used by the Virginia Tech mass murderer — under a jacket or in an ankle holster.

But many times he carries his gun in plain view on his hip, something he needs no permission for.

He uses a holster that's designed so that only the wearer can lift out the gun. A person diving for the gun from an angle, for example, would be foiled.

He says he's not trying to make a statement or make people around him uncomfortable. But he thinks carrying a weapon is a prudent thing to do and it's his basic right.

Occasionally, he gets some strange stares while standing in line at a store, "but mostly people don't say boo about it because they assume I must have some reason.

"People up to no good don't walk around with a weapon on their hip," he reasons.

He's never been stopped and questioned by a cop.

Miller doesn't wear his gun into banks. He doesn't open carry in crowded places where he would be rubbing up against people.

At work, he usually wears his gun concealed because he doesn't want to risk offending a customer.

But most of the time he prefers to open carry. If he is told by someone that they object to him wearing a loaded gun, he attempts to speak clearly and calmly about his beliefs.

"I'm certainly not a guy with a bad case of paranoia," he says, "but I do recognize we live in a kind of unpredictable environment."

He says he has never come close to drawing his gun and would go out of his way to avoid using it.

"I decided early on that property in general is not worth a life," he says. "I would not draw on a guy stealing my car, for example. But if someone comes into my home..."

Opencarry.org co-founder Pierce is a software developer with three children.

He has been open carrying for about 10 years "for self defense — even the safest areas still have crime."

A second reason he open carries, he says, "is because it actually is a right in many states, most of whose residents have no idea it exists."

The group sells a t-shirt that says, "Oops, my civil rights are showing." Seeing people carrying guns in a nonconfrontational way gets people to recognize the practice as legal and encourages them "to think about the liberty and foundation aspects of our country," Pierce says.

"We are not vigilantes. We are not looking to be any kind of heroes. We advocate personal responsibility."

Adds Stollenwerk, "It's one of those rights if you don't exercise it, sooner or later someone is going to take it away. Open carry is about getting your gun rights out of the closet."
 
Whoever came up with the notion that ownership of guns is something that is shameful and that lawful gun owners should hide guns like criminals?
No one. No one in this thread even. You're making a leap between gun ownership and disclosing that you conceal-n-carry. Two very different things.

Everyone could (and arguably should, if you're a RKBA advocate) know you own, enjoy, and have a position on guns- even the carrying of them- but whether they have the privilege to know that you carry a hidden weapon is something wholly separate.

It's silly to equate security with shame.

I've no doubt you're not ashamed of who you are, where you live, your social security number, your bank account numbers, or what your PIN is... but that doesn't mean I should expect you to tell me those things.

Open Carry is a whole other beast not immediately relevant to whether you conceal and carry which has its own burdens of concealment with the license in several States.
 
Caimlas, sounds to me like your neighbors were trying to protect you. Had he not known that you were armed, he may have tried to do something where you would've had to lay him out in your house, legally with a firearm. I would be glad it didn't come to that, and your neighbors probably knew that by telling him that it would alleviate him trying to do you or your family any harm. I don't think they back-doored you at all, I think they were trying to help you. I wouldn't punish them because they had your well-being in mind at the time they told dipsh*t upstairs about your "collection."
 
44Brent - It has nothing to do with with being ashamed of firearm ownership. If I ever have to use mine I want as much of the event under my control as possible. If no one but me knows I am carrying and I have to use my firearm to defend myself or family everyone but me will be surprised; at least that is my objective - to have the event over before anyone has time to counter.

Edited to add: Open carry in Ohio is by statute neither specifically disallowed nor allowed. You likely be questioned and/or detained by the police if you open carry and you are leaving yourself open to charges of inducing panic.
 
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