new 1000 yard group record
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For me, these records put everything in perspective. Both records are very impressive for so many reasons but the nod goes to Ken Brucklacher for the most impressive. 8 in the X out of 10 shots and only 0.089" larger group with a rifle that "looks" like a rifle. Also, they show what's POSSIBLE and where the bar is at for ALL long-range shooting disciplines. They also help to separate fact from fiction. Guys show up here claiming they can hit quarters at 400 yards all day long with their out of the box Savage and Super Sniper scope!! Yeah right!! 
10 or 20 shot sub MOA groups are orders of magnitude more difficult to achieve than 3 or 5 shot groups that so many show here (me included). Small groups in the X ring are harder yet and definitley not the norm. Shooting within a time limit under varying conditions adds to the difficulty due to stress, heat in the barrel/action, mirage, wind changes, etc. Most of the records fall on calm, cool days for a reason.
Krieger makes top-quality barrels and I'm happy for them to be a part of two world records set within a few weeks of each other . We can all learn from Ken's reloading procedure. He used to seat the bullet 0.018" off the lands but changed to 0.028" and that made a big difference to his group sizes. His case preparation is minimal but he does focus on bullet consistency. That makes me want to experiment more with my loads. Currently I seat all bullets 0.020" off the lands and don't sort the bullets.
Whatever type of shooting we're interested in, it's good to set goals. I set myself a goal for this year .... to shoot sub MOA groups in F-Class "tactical" matches at 200, 300 and 600 yards shooting prone with a bipod but no rear rest. If I achieve that goal, there won't be any fanfare or press release, just personal satisfaction and maybe a pat on the back from a fellow competitor.
10 or 20 shot sub MOA groups are orders of magnitude more difficult to achieve than 3 or 5 shot groups that so many show here (me included). Small groups in the X ring are harder yet and definitley not the norm. Shooting within a time limit under varying conditions adds to the difficulty due to stress, heat in the barrel/action, mirage, wind changes, etc. Most of the records fall on calm, cool days for a reason.
Krieger makes top-quality barrels and I'm happy for them to be a part of two world records set within a few weeks of each other . We can all learn from Ken's reloading procedure. He used to seat the bullet 0.018" off the lands but changed to 0.028" and that made a big difference to his group sizes. His case preparation is minimal but he does focus on bullet consistency. That makes me want to experiment more with my loads. Currently I seat all bullets 0.020" off the lands and don't sort the bullets.
Whatever type of shooting we're interested in, it's good to set goals. I set myself a goal for this year .... to shoot sub MOA groups in F-Class "tactical" matches at 200, 300 and 600 yards shooting prone with a bipod but no rear rest. If I achieve that goal, there won't be any fanfare or press release, just personal satisfaction and maybe a pat on the back from a fellow competitor.
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Has any one noticed the Norma drawing of the".300 Weatherby" used has no WBY radius? It looks more like a .300-8MM Rem. mag. Is this a factory round now?
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I'm a relatively young fart and I know that the kind of groups those guys shoot takes lots of knowledge, experience, and METICULOUS load development.
Not my cup of tea but it is impressive what they do.
I did notice no radius on the shoulder. It's probably easer to draft it without the shoulder, or modify another similar cartridge. But the big question is....................can we finally put to rest all the negative B.S. about belted cartridges? There have been many records shot with 300 H & H or 300 Win. mags too. Yet the B.S. continues about belted cartridges.
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Notice that the group is verticle, but with the exception of one shot is X-ring wide. Think about how much tighter it might have been if he had worked on the SD on that load. Outstanding none the less.
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I think most of the knocks against belted magnums have more to do with the cult of worship of the .308 then any inherent design flaws. Supposedly the mags have feeding problems-maybe when people were shorting 98 Mauser feed ramps to nothing to accommodate .375 H&H it was true but that has nothing to do with the belt.
thats what im talkin about!
thats good shooting for sure!id love to be able to shoot 1000yrds all day.but whats wrong with a young "upstart" doing something like that?practice and knowing for sure instead of hoping! like indiana boy said theres some really smart experienced guys out there..and the smart youngsters learn from them!
thats good shooting for sure!id love to be able to shoot 1000yrds all day.but whats wrong with a young "upstart" doing something like that?practice and knowing for sure instead of hoping! like indiana boy said theres some really smart experienced guys out there..and the smart youngsters learn from them!
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If i could hit the target once at 1k yards i would be thrilled
Can someone clarify something for me. Are these two records for the same event/discipline i.e. 1000 yard heavy gun benchrest? The difference is that one is for the smallest group regardless of score (Joel), and the other (Ken) is for the highest score ... ranked by the smallest group assuming that others have scored 100-8X? In other words, if Ken's group had been smaller than Joel's, he'd have TWO world records.
"Joel Pendergraft of Durham, NC put 10 shots into 3.048″ to set a new IBS 1000-yard Heavy Gun World record."
"Ken set a new 10-shot Heavy Gun World Record score of 100-8X."
Thanks.
"Joel Pendergraft of Durham, NC put 10 shots into 3.048″ to set a new IBS 1000-yard Heavy Gun World record."
"Ken set a new 10-shot Heavy Gun World Record score of 100-8X."
Thanks.
USSR
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1858,
At Williamsport (my former home range for F Class), benchrest competition awards for both smallest group and highest score for each discipline (light gun, heavy gun, etc.). I can tell you when these scores were shot - 1st thing in the morning. Once late morning comes, the winds arrive. Some of the flags will be blowing L to R, and others R to L. The grey beards are the ones who atleast have a semblance of how to hold.
Don
At Williamsport (my former home range for F Class), benchrest competition awards for both smallest group and highest score for each discipline (light gun, heavy gun, etc.). I can tell you when these scores were shot - 1st thing in the morning. Once late morning comes, the winds arrive. Some of the flags will be blowing L to R, and others R to L. The grey beards are the ones who atleast have a semblance of how to hold.
Don
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Not to be rude, but I would imagine he was satisfied with the load before he shot the match. And after.
Don, thanks for the clarification ... again.
I was discussing this with a co-worker recently and I ran some numbers for a .300 Win Mag load that I use (since Ken doesn't know the velocity of his world record load). A 208gr A-MAX with a muzzle velocity of 2800fps will in theory and everything else being equal, be off by 1" at 1000 yards for every 5fps increase/decrease in velocity. So an extreme spread over 10 rounds of only 20 fps (about 0.7%) could result in a 4" group with perfect conditions!
Don, do you agree with this assessment?
Howard Roark said:
I was discussing this with a co-worker recently and I ran some numbers for a .300 Win Mag load that I use (since Ken doesn't know the velocity of his world record load). A 208gr A-MAX with a muzzle velocity of 2800fps will in theory and everything else being equal, be off by 1" at 1000 yards for every 5fps increase/decrease in velocity. So an extreme spread over 10 rounds of only 20 fps (about 0.7%
) could result in a 4" group with perfect conditions!Don, do you agree with this assessment?
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Beats me, I'm too busy fighting wind related horizontal.
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