New 2023 Deluxe APP Press

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Anyone try one yet ? Lee combined the ACP and APP into one unit, if it works as stated no more hand priming.
 
Bosn Ski said:
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Deluxe APP - https://leeprecision.com/deluxe-app-press

We started with the basic APP, added the Roller Handle, Universal Case Feed Magazine and the APP Deprime kit. Then we fitted the tool with the Patented automatic primer feed system. There is no priming system made that is as fast, effortless, or uniform as the APP primer.

Cases and primers are automatically fed. Primers are seated uniformly without “feel” or adjustments required. Safe with any brand or size of primer. Change primer size in seconds. Simply twist out the priming chamber and swap out the pin and primer guide. No shell holders required!

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Hmm... I'm gonna have to think on this one... I have an APP and an ACP, both bought to do dedicated, rapid decapping by the APP and dedicated, rapid priming by the ACP... I'm not sure if I'd want to convert back and forth, and when I see the Deluxe APP at $190, only having $170 into BOTH my APP and ACP, my only real difference is rack space on the wall and the cost of two Inline Fab QD plates instead of just one, and of course, the principle of the thing, having two presses to do what could be done with just one...

But yeah, I'd rather leave my dedicated process steps alone. Or maybe I'll get the Deluxe APP as well and leave it set up for a longer case size, then use the other two as they are for shorter cases. I've really enjoyed the speed and automation of decapping and priming, without feeling as wasteful in not making full utility of a conventional progressive press.

Interesting that there's no blast shield on the Deluxe APP. There must be some primer segregation so any blast would only be contained within the "dome" and no chance of chaining down the primer feeder.
 
LiveLife said:
Deluxe APP - https://leeprecision.com/deluxe-app-press
... with the Patented automatic primer feed system. There is no priming system made that is as fast, effortless, or uniform as the APP primer.​
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While I regularly use Lee hand primers, that statement seems to be quite a stretch. The troubleshooting section of the Deluxe APP consists only of priming problems, you need to maintain a minimum of 6 primers in the feeder, and you need to clear the priming system with a paper clip or something similar. No thanks.
 
That's an improvement? The Lee 6000 orphans only 4 primers. I think a great priming system has been the most elusive target, in the industry. Tubes are dangerous, APS is close, but limiting with 25 primer strips. Lee's trays can't feed them all and sometimes hang up. Someday, but it's going to take someone smarter than Dillon, Hornady, RCBS, or Lee obviously.;)

They could start by making primer dimensions standard among brands.
 
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So I already have a Lee Universal decapping die, A Lee Auto Prime II, Lee Quick Trim and Lee bullet sizing dies for .355, .358 and .452 and they all get it done in good fashion. May not be as automated or as fast but again it works and it's all paid for itself. At 69years of age I don't thing I need to start over.
 
Varminterror said:
This is what we’re buying with progressive presses and auto-feeding processing presses like the APP/ACP/DLX-APP. Kinda the whole point.
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Fully aware of that fact and point of contention which is why I responded the way I did. I am sure they both work very well, just as the tools I already have do. Fortunate for me these day is that time invested is a time of enjoyment and not a task tied to an end. The part I hate the most about reloading is case trimming.
 
kmw1954 said:
So I already have a Lee Universal decapping die, A Lee Auto Prime II, Lee Quick Trim and Lee bullet sizing dies for .355, .358 and .452 and they all get it done in good fashion. May not be as automated or as fast but again it works and it's all paid for itself. At 69years of age I don't thing I need to start over.
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It’s not always about starting over. If you work it right, it’s more like swapping processes.
When I got a Lee APP it was as kind of an experiment - I wanted to see if it would be worth the time changing my process to deprime en mass using the APP vs the hand press. I also figured it might be useful for sizing the lead bullets I buy vs using the Lubrisizer or the Lee sizing setup on my mounted press.
It’s worked out pretty well for both, mostly depriming, I don’t buy as-cast very often and once they’re sized, they are done.
In all using the APP has been a positive but not a necessity. The primer catcher is a great feature.
 
kmw1954 said:
Fully aware of that fact and point of contention which is why I responded the way I did. I am sure they both work very well, just as the tools I already have do. Fortunate for me these day is that time invested is a time of enjoyment and not a task tied to an end. The part I hate the most about reloading is case trimming.
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When I first bought a progressive, I found it to make reloading way easier on my tired body used to stroking a RockChucker for 45 years. But I too found that it just made other parts to the reloading process, I never thought I minded, become drudgery. Trimming yes!....became the next hated bottle neck.......so I sped it up a very effective and cheap way, that I've shown here in other threads.

Then case prep became the new drudgery, even the old TrimMate seemed drudgery.....after all it didn't come with a case feeder .... the APP finally fixed that once I added TylerR's quickchange. Ought to be happy now right? No...the bottom line is I need a brain and body upgrade. The faster I upgrade and improve my stuff, the less upgraded my body feels. I'm the bottle neck now.......:)
 
It really does thrill my heart to see people talking of Lee Precision Products in a very good light! I for sure own a lot of it. So by no means am I try to say there is no place for this equipment or that it is not useful or reliable. Just at this point in my reloading career I have the tool and processes in place that serve me well. They may be slow and maybe cumbersome but at this time I have more time than money.

Right now I am patiently waiting for our range upgrades coming this late fall early winter. One of them is a brand new shooting house on the 25yard range with a full concrete floor and new benches. As once this is finished I will be spending much more time firing my pistols. Besides I already have 4 presses and am only using 2.5,, one I'm only using to load 45acp. and I haven't loaded any of that in over a year.
 
When Lee comes close to the sixty year old Starr-Phelps priming design I might get interested again.
 
Sixty years ago I was in junior high school and the only rifle I owned was a Remington .22 bolt action repeater. Didn't know there were older people than me on THR. ;) So who can describe this magic Starr-Phelps priming design....if it's that wonderful why is it not resurrected into another product.....very curious about this, PapaG. Got more info?
 
jag22 said:
As soon as I saw the primer tray I just quit looking.
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I still think the APP is an awesome tool, but I've never used the ACP and haven't really done a lot of priming on the 6000 yet either. But I don't necessarily have to rely on the tray, since I historically have done most of my priming off press with a RCBS bench primer, before sizing with a bushing die and expanding with an "M" die. Priming has caused most of the interruptions using progressives in my experience, with Lees and a Dillon 650 and the RCBS Pro Chucker 7. The only one that didn't was the APS system on the Pro 2000, but even that wasn't idiot proof if you forget to add a primer strip to the daisy chain after the first 12 strokes then every 24 strokes.;)

ADDED: Yes, I can be an idiot too. Demonstrating my Brand new Pro 2000 years ago, I loaded the first 24 perfectly, then the next 24 leaked powder.....forgot to load the next strip. Just slightly embarrassing.

Still waiting for a trouble-free priming system on a progressive press. Maybe one exists, but I haven't found it. Maybe one of the esoteric crazy expensive presses......and they are not for me.
 
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jag22 said:
As soon as I saw the primer tray I just quit looking.
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Me too. The latest version of their primer tray is their worst yet. I use my older APP for depriming 45 Auto (only). Works well for that.
 
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GW Staar said:
I think a great priming system has been the most elusive target, in the industry.
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The complaint by many on the 650 priming system is that it always feeds primers. Some could be so lucky…

I have used a lot of different brands and it remains the most reliable primer feed system I have used. I imagine cost was one reason they never used it on others. I would get a 1050 with that system tomorrow with a swage station along with the rotary primer feed, would make for one great machine. I have yet to use a mark7 revolution but if the feed system works like the 650, I imagine it’s a winner.
 
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GW Staar said:
That's an improvement? The Lee 6000 orphans only 4 primers. I think a great priming system has been the most elusive target, in the industry. Tubes are dangerous, APS is close, but limiting with 25 primer strips. Lee's trays can't feed them all and sometimes hang up. Someday, but it's going to take someone smarter than Dillon, Hornady, RCBS, or Lee obviously.;)

They could start by making primer dimensions standard among brands.
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Worrying about using the last four primers is like driving your car with only enough gas so the last drop is consumed when you reach the gas pump. It looks like the new primer feed on the App works like the Six Pack. If that's the case I think they have a winner.
 
R44 flyer said:
Worrying about using the last four primers is like driving your car with only enough gas so the last drop is consumed when you reach the gas pump. It looks like the new primer feed on the App works like the Six Pack. If that's the case I think they have a winner.
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No, more like, if you're on a bumpy road you're more likely to get gas, but your range is limited so carry an extra 5 gallons or two. And watch out for flow interruptions, might be a long trip.

At least with APS strips, adding more took a half second....but it still felt limiting. With these Lee trays, a wise reloader probably should invest in several trays, and keep them all loaded. At least we haven't heard of primers lighting up in bulk (gas tank exploding?), but I believe ACP's came with a shield, so it must be possible.

I have heard of APS strips lighting up....but never more than two primers....
 
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