New Arsenal Strike One Pistol...thoughts?

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The shooters slow motion belly jiggle was too distracting for me to notice the gun. If you're a big fatso don't wear overly tight shirts. :barf:

The gun looks to have some interesting features. However there are a lot of real good pistols for it to compete with.
 
My take on this pistol is ... BRING IT ON!!!

I welcome any push towards improving the equipment and technology. If the pistol performs as claimed and produces accurate shot groups/double taps, then it will just raise the bar for the industry and force other firearms manufacturers to match and/or surpass.

Just imagine what market competition did to the progression/development of car engines as to HP, reliability and gas mileage. We can BUY (right now) sedans with 429 HP, 8-speed transmission, 26 MPG and they come with 4 doors ... a long departure from Honda Accord/Toyota Camry 30 years ago and performance specs most of us would have drools on a 2 door sports car.
 
Looks interesting. Really people: its a pistol. Whatever they make that's going to be true. It's not as if you're going to pull it out and tiny Ninja's climb out the barrel and start fixing you breakfast. If you ever plan on being impressed by something, you have to look at the subtle details :).

1. The locking system and and of itself doesn't interest me. Traditional Browning-style functions fine. What intrigues me is what this new system allows: a lower bore axis than any previous design. Assuming that holds to be true and the reliability is there, then I"m all for that.

2. The ambi-mag release. I absolutely LOVE this feature. I'm right handed - but I have small hands. I don't want to give up the standard right handed release on the left side, but I've found that for many guns I can manipulate a mag release on the right side of the gun (the "left handed" release) easier by reaching back and hitting it with the middle finger of the right hand.

3. Long barrel. Hopefully this is not just a special variant, but I like the longer barrel. For whatever reason it seems like its like pulling teeth these days to get manufacturers to make production runs of their guns with a 5" or longer barrel. For competition purpose I want no less, and truthfully except for tiny concealed carry subcompacts I always prefer a gun with about a 5" barrel.

4. Aluminum frame option. USPSA production division is mostly dominated by striker-fired guns just due to the rule setup. Thing is, outside of a couple aftermarket Glock frames (which aren't legal there), there are no non-polymer options for a striker fired double-stack 9mm. Having the aluminum frame will make the gun heavier, and hence tame recoil even more. I'd have preferred even having a steel frame option, but aluminum will do.

They also don't goof up the gun by adding any stupid loaded chamber indicators, thumb safeties or grip safeties.

Overall, it looks like from the commercial they're heavily targeting the IPSC competition market (obviously in the ad they're showing a guy shooting a mock IPSC course), which I like. As a matter of fact the ONLY thing I saw during the whole thing that I didn't like was the 3-dot sights. If it takes off though I'm sure there will be after-market options, and for the time being I can always take a sharpie to them :D.

My only worry would be them getting too optimistic about pricing. Sure the gun looks great, but if you come to the market thinking too highly of it and try to charge too much it'll flop. Price these suckers at $500 or so though and I think they'll take off.
 
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There's a video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcfOcyxDe_k

Where you can see more of the internals.

The locking is similar to a P-38/Beretta 92, except that it appears that the locking block translates vertically in a groove instead of rotating around a joint.

Since Browning-style tilt lockers (fun fact, JMB invented rotary barrel locking too) do need some extra clearance below the barrel to tilt down into, their claims that this design helps lower barrel axis are probably true.
 
Thanks to the posted videos, I'm getting interested. The locking block being situated on the side of the barrel assembly is different, and the way the mag release button flexes a flat spring is ingenious.

I'd certainly like to get to play with one. As for ads, show me; don't just tell me!;)
 
The locking system and and of itself doesn't interest me. Traditional Browning-style functions fine. What intrigues me is what this new system allows: a lower bore axis than any previous design. Assuming that holds to be true and the reliability is there, then I"m all for that.
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You could get the same bore-axis with the Browning design. The locking block still needs room to move down.

What you loose is the simplicity of the Browning design. That simplicity is what allows you to swap barrels between Glocks so easily.
 
Revolutionary? Not hardly; lots of accessories for sure. More "revolutionary" hype from a corporation using their marketing skills to the max.
 
Looks like an interesting gun, to me -- but until we see more about it's actual performance, it's hard to do or think much beyond "it's interesting."

The one thing I saw in the video I DID NOT LIKE was how far the shooter's trigger finger had to move to fire shots. It looked as though he was SLAPPING the trigger forcefully with each shot. I couldn't tell if that was necessary, or just the shooter's technique, but it looked "necessary." I want a trigger -- at least for competition -- that doesn't have to move far to reset. (My assessment -- that there is a lot of distance required to reset -- may be incorrect, but seems to be valid.)

I think it's a handsome polymer weapon. Somebody took some time on aesthetics.
 
>>I welcome any push towards improving the equipment and technology. If the pistol performs as claimed and produces accurate shot groups/double taps, then it will just raise the bar for the industry and force other firearms manufacturers to match and/or surpass.<<

My sentiments exactly! For some reason, when anything new comes out most folks seem to want to put it down... without really knowing anything about it. If this thing is anything like the Arsenal SGL AKs as far as quality & reliability go, I'm interested to see how it fares.
 
RUT said:
For some reason, when anything new comes out most folks seem to want to put it down... without really knowing anything about it.
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1911 was a new technology once ... :D

And what about "Jam-O-Matic" unreliable M-16 and look how far it has "evolved" into M-4 with improved projectiles/powders.
 
Low bore axis is a good thing, but not exactly new. They Steyr M9 has a very low bore axis, as do some much older guns, like the French MAS 1935A and its grandchild, the SIG P210. If you really want a low bore, try using something like a Luger toggle lock.

RUT - I don't think this company has any relation to the Arsenal that produces AKs. Those guys are Bulgarian, while this company is based in Italy.
 
Always love to see something other than the JMB lock up system being used in the design, and their design looks really neat even it is in some ways very similar. It looks as if the link is "floating" on the barrel and as the slide moves back is forced down but the barrel remains stationary.

The trigger looks like a very long pull but really i think it is more like a two stage trigger. If you notice the distance of the trigger shoe hooks from the cross pin determines the first stage then the remaining amount of travel pushes the sear till the firing pin releases.

For a shorter pull only a slightly different trigger shoe with shorter hooks would be needed to shorten it up which is doable.

I kinda wonder why no one but CZ uses reverse slide rails to lower the bore axis. Seems like there is no downside but no one ever does it.
 
I really like some of the features to this gun, actually. More than anything though, I think the added fact of just creating competition in the polymer handgun market is a good thing.
 
For a shorter pull only a slightly different trigger shoe with shorter hooks would be needed to shorten it up which is doable.
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I am trying to figure out why it's even there. The only thing I can come up with is that it's an inertial trigger safety, of sorts.

I kinda wonder why no one but CZ uses reverse slide rails to lower the bore axis. Seems like there is no downside but no one ever does it.
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Cuz this doesn't reduce the bore axis. The internal part of the slide still has to come out the back of the gun, hence has to be higher than your hand. All it does is increase the area of the frame where you can grip it. But with today's trend of reduced length rails (for w/e the reason), do you really want an outside partial rail? Or I suppose you could cut away parts of the slide, but then you're moving mass from the slide (where it's needed) to the frame (where it's dead weight).
 
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I kinda wonder why no one but CZ uses reverse slide rails to lower the bore axis. Seems like there is no downside but no one ever does it.
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In theory, the inside-the-rail technique is done to make for a tighter slide as the gun heats up. First done with a French military handgun, Sig later did it with the SIG M/49 and it's civilian counterpart, the P-210. It doesn't lower the bore axis.

I don't know that a tighter slide makes that much difference, either... as consistent slide to barrel fit is what matters most for aimed fire.
 
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Well, I do personally feel like the Petter-Koucký slide design improves practical accuracy. The 210 and the CZ 75 both have very well deserved reputations for being very mechanically accurate.
 
how about they come up with some actual way it's better than other autopistols on the market?
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So the XD and M&P were fine when they came out but suddenly we have too many of these pistols for any more room?
 
An interesting looking sidearm. I think the magazine release is very simple and workable, but, I wonder how hard the push is, as it could be vulnerable to a push on it from the other side, dropping your magazine while still holstered.
Interesting lockup, reminds me of the vz-58 locking piece, and the locking block on the Beretta 92 series, though I don't have enough experience with that one to say for certain.
I only want to see one thing - the target that gentleman was rapid firing at during the video.
I would love to test fire it.
 
An interesting looking sidearm. I think the magazine release is very simple and workable, but, I wonder how hard the push is, as it could be vulnerable to a push on it from the other side, dropping your magazine while still holstered.
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Same release as the XD and I don't have problems with it.
 
Can't wait to see it come out, more reviews and gun porn to enjoy!
With the purported accuracy advantages of a fixed barrel/non tilting barrel, why can't handguns just employ a locking system similar to a rifle, where the bolt could just be part of the rear part of the slide and lock into a fixed barrel.
 
Sawdeanz, that has been done. The desert eagle comes immediately to mind. It tends to be bulky because you need some auxiliary means of unlocking and cycling the breech mechanism, since a fixed barrel can't provide the initial kick.

More than that though, arms design has settled into a groove, and there's an almost 1:1 correspondence between weapon class and operating mechanism. Auto pistol? 1:10 it's a tilt-locking short-recoil operated polymer-framed design. Assault rifle? Gas-operated with a Stoner-Johnson multi-lugged rotating bolt and upper/lower receiver architecture.

That's part of why the first strike is interesting; it's at least a little different.
 
After watching the action video again, I think the trigger is going to be the biggest feature most shooters are going to have problems with.

The trigger doesn't pivot in a fixed arc like some hinged triggers, but both pivots and must also be pushed rearward and slightly upwards -- which explains the funny "slapping" trigger technique I commented about in an earlier response.

I don't understand WHY they chose this trigger design. What PROBLEM was this trigger design attempting to solve?
 
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