New AWB or will it all just blow over?

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I question weather Washington/Congress has the will to pass a ban. I mean, they can't even decide if they should reduce taxes, increase them, or if they stay the same. The only decision they can make is to enact painful default policies if they can't agree on anything. And they may end up enacting the defaults because they're incapable of doing anything better.

I think politicians just want to be perceived as doing something for the public good even if they don't have much support for the actual policy. So they'll put the AWB up for vote, they'll argue it until it gets diluted in several key areas, it MAY pass but will lack any teeth, and then the politicians will all high five each other for a job well done. By that I mean Dems will feel proud they got their toothless law passed, the GOP will revel in diluting the law to the point where it may as well not exist.

And all they'll have done (best case for AWB supporters) is reduce mag capacity a little (at best) but with so many loopholes its as much a joke as California's current ban is right now.

I have a bullet button on my AW and there are many ways around the ban on high cap mags. A BB can be removed as needed. I dunno, what's the point?? I think everyone is paranoid. When I went to my local shop the other day they said they sold out every AR or AK variant they had, and the mfg won't pick up their phones when the shop calls to ask about when stock levels will replenish.

I am curious to hear from those who may disagree and why.
 
Interesting, this is the first thread we've had about the possibility of a new AWB and the chances of one getting passed.

Where did you hear about this possible AWB?
 
This isn't really a political thread in the sense that I understood from the rules. It's not a thread about politics other than the right to bear arms. I don't care if someone is a R or D and don't want to hear about any ideologies. Just wondering if Feinstein's vow for an AWB bill early in 2013 is a real threat to AWs. The question is in two parts:

A) would/could it pass?
B) who cares since it grandfathers in existing guns and mags and the rules are easy to work around.

Jorg, not sure if that's a rhetorical question TBH. But I'm still new. :)
 
There will be no new AWB in the new congress being sworn in on January 3rd. It can never pass the House. End of story until 2015 at the earliest.
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Kind of like there was no chance healthcare reform would get passed?

What do you think the Republicans will do if Obama says that he will not raise taxes on anyone making under $1 million if the Republicans will support a new AWB???
 
I wont take the bet because, well, I dont bet. There may not be an AWB. It may just be a magazine ban, which would be just about as bad.
 
Johnny, I would not bet against you on this one :)

It seems to me like the AWB in California (if used as a model for general AWBs) would not have prevented and would have been unlikely to even reduce the number of people dead in any of the most recent killings by firearms. If you put guards in every school, then shooters will just go to... wait for it... a movie theater instead. Or a cafe. Or a McDonalds. Or their former place of work.

I just don't see ANY new laws on this matter passing anything.
 
Many gun owners are hoping the "awb" talk will go away, just like they thought obama would and look at what happened.

Who is forming the gun debate votes for your reps, you or the media?
 
Dont let your guard down. Feinstein and Schumer are spearheading this drive by next year. Once fiscal cliff issue is resolved, the next big thing Obama and Biden will tackle would be the gun ban issue. The lull right now is because of the christmas holiday . Do not underestimate the other side.
 
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I live in CT. Almost guaranteed we'll get some new laws. Ya know, since the current AWB that's in place works so well. I'm guessing we're looking at a 10 round limit on mags as given. Who knows what else.


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No AWB.will pass this Congress. I am open to offers at 2 to 1. Game?
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I'll take that bet for $20 on my end .

I think your underestimating the power of the weasels .
 
We have an idiot Congresswoman here in Jacksonville. She was on the radio the other day and said we need to pass an AWB and more gun control laws so that "terrorists couldn't buy automatic weapons."
 
The ignorance of the non gun population and press is your worse enemy.

We have 5/30 P Mags in Canada.
A pop rivet, not to mention the millions of 30 round mags already in circulation, will not stop a mentally ill person intent on mayhem.
 
This is a non-partisan issue hence why HSO is letting it go forward, I believe. ;)

Seriously, there are MANY of us Democrats that were PO'ed by the statements inside the Firearms plank, the mention of an AWB in the 2nd debate (even after it was acknowledged that rifles were NOT the cause of violence in our major cities) and then the knee-jerk responses to the recent group of gunmen.

No bill has made it out of Congressonal committees since 1994. We are the ones that can keep it that way by voicing both our displeasure and the raw facts that the firearms that they are going after are not the ones they need to be worried about breaking the public peace.

We have the strength of law and precidence behind us on this. US v. Miller ('39) should be enough to show that AR-15s and other semi-automatics that have been used by the military are fully covered by the Constitution. I may not have been active on this issue in '94 but I sure as heck am now and am doing what I can to get others to agree that whether or not they choose to own firearms they have no right to tell the rest of us we can not.
 
You guys are dreaming if you think there won't be a ban. Many of you called me a fear monger and thought I was being paranoid when I said that Obama and Hillary would sign the UN Small Arms Treaty. They are all set to sign it in March 2013.
 
AWB? Gee, have not heard of this at all on the forums? Do I think it is going to pass? No. But I still find it hard to believe that our president was re-elected. SO THERE! It's possible....
 
I have a bullet button on my AW and there are many ways around the ban on high cap mags.
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Well, SOTHOTH, I've deduced from your use of a bullet button that you are likely a resident of the great State of California, as am I. I think it will be difficult for the anti-gunners ("AG's") to get a AW ban passed at the federal level. Although I think that it is possible. There are more AG's in the Republican party than most know. Plus it's a touchy topic and the Republican politicians must tread the issue very lightly.

BUT IN CALIFORNIA the Dems and AG's have super majorities. And there are some very active AG's in the State House. Jerry Brown is a former far left guy. He has converted to become a gun guy over the last 20 years, but he may have to cave on this issue. Our problems are not at the federal level, but at the State level. watch for a California state wide ban on AW's!
 
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