The Lone Haranguer
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Somebody scored one already. http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/4850043243 I want to like it, but I have a different use in mind for a .380 and it is a little big for that.
New Glock 42 is a .380
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This was a very smart move by Glock. The "pocket nine" market is already saturated, so why bother. This is uniquely different in the .380 market in that it will be pocketable, easier to shoot well, with a real grip and a trigger that isn't long and 12 lbs. They are going to own the .380 market with the 42, especially with new and women shooters. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be one of their best sellers yet.
Why? I hear it said, but frankly unless you have interchangeable mags (i.e. a G19 and 26), I can't see how it would matter. For it to make a difference, I can only imagine the following scenario:
1) your primary gun fails mid-gunfight.
2) Your backup gun runs out of ammo.
3) you then take the rounds left in the mag from your primary, pop them out, and load them into your backup gun's mags to reload.
Can you imagine actually doing that in the middle of a gunfight?
Of course, there's the issue of logistics and ammo commonality does help that, to be fair. It's the same reason I have a lever gun in .357mag to pair up with my pistols revolvers. Nice not to be able to buy one caliber in bulk.
Enachos
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Maybe Lonewolf will make a .32 NAA conversion barrel as well! I know it's not a popular caliber... But then again neither is a 9x25 Dillon-which I learned about shortly after purchasing a G29 SF. Talk about a fun round! Never shot a .32 NAA but it would be interesting to see what kind of ballistics you could get out of this round from a G42-sized pistol. You listening, Lonewolf Distributors?
The_Shootist
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Never figured out the lure of the .380 if you can find a decent Makarov.
Peter M. Eick
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Lure? I reload for 380. I don't reload for 9mak. One more caliber to gear up to do verse using what I already have and loads I have worked out.
SharpsDressedMan
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Smaller, flatter, lighter than the Walther PPK. Probably more reliable, with a much easier trigger, and better sights. You guys can dis it all you want.
Vodoun da Vinci
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Smaller, flatter, lighter than the Walther PPK. Probably more reliable, with a much easier trigger, and better sights. You guys can dis it all you want.
Word. I don't even have .380 (yet) and I want one - All of the other teeny, tiny .380 pocket sized pistols (and most of the 9mm) kick like mules. This gun with low bore axis and Glock ergonomics I'd guess will put many of this type to shame.
We'll see. But it's a genius move for Glock right now and puts a gun they did not previously have into the hottest selling niche in CCW guns at this moment. The Glock 42 and the (hopefully) upcoming Beretta Pico are both on my Bucket List of pistols to buy this year.
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could go either way. did Glock have to change many of the internals? if so, they could run into the same problems Springfield did with the XDs. I'll hold off judgement until I shoot it. personally, i like the .380 for CCW.
Had a LCP but hated it.
have a Sig P238 and love to shoot it but it only reliably feeds round ball. Still a good CCW for me since it's light and conceals quite well.
so if Glock has a .380 with Glock reliability and doesn't present the same pocket pistol snappy recoil, it might be a winner.
Had a LCP but hated it.
have a Sig P238 and love to shoot it but it only reliably feeds round ball. Still a good CCW for me since it's light and conceals quite well.
so if Glock has a .380 with Glock reliability and doesn't present the same pocket pistol snappy recoil, it might be a winner.
seriously, what a waste of time. Do they really think this is "new"? pocket 380's have been around a while. And if you can make a 380 this size where is the 9 mm? They really missed the boat on this. I am wondering how out of touch they really are.
mdauben
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While a classic gun, the PPK is hardly a cutting edge design in the pocket pistol market. Not really a valid comparison.
And the pocket .380 market isn't? Glock is last to the starting line for either niche. Assuredly, there are people in the market for a pocket .380 who will buy this just due to the name, but its got a lot of competition looked at subjectivly.
I imagine it will be modestly successful based on the name if nothing else. Its hardly a game changing offering, though.
wow6599
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Looks like I'll be keeping my PM9.
wow6599
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No, it is not. Just because you can fit a firearm in your pocket, doesn't make it a pocket gun. Hell, I don't even think the Kahr PM9 is a "pocket gun", but a lot of folks do.
Just because everyone walks around with a Ruger LC9 or G26 in their front pocket, doesn't mean the market is saturated. It's barren.
WinThePennant
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The G42 might very well turn out to be the greatest .380 ever made.
snooperman
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I think this Glock 380 will sell but not as well as the Ruger LCP or Taurus TCP size guns. I see it as a gun that appeals to Glock fans, and those who want a little larger gun like the Ruger LC380, for comfort and ease of shooting.
Taurus 617 CCW
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Last year I really feel they missed the boat by making another .45 that wasn't really that different than the rest. I was disappointed at first when I heard Glock was coming out with a .380 but the more I think about it, the more I agree that it is a better choice to start with. Ruger did the opposite with the LC9/LC380 line. When the LC380 came out, they used the same magazine as the LC9 and just welded a filler piece in the back to make up for the extra space. That was a terrible choice because it doesn't feed right with the feed lips ending too early. It would have been better with a magazine designed properly for each caliber and it looks like Glock is doing just that.
Madcap_Magician
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Good old Gaston, coming up with the latest innovative twist on 2008's gun of the year!
I think I speak for all of us who were hoping for the single-stack 9mm when I say... I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced...
I think I speak for all of us who were hoping for the single-stack 9mm when I say... I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced...
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I read the article in Guns and Ammo and while I'm fairly sure it will be a good seller for them, I prefer my .380s to be on the smaller side, as in Colt Mustang, SIG P238, and KelTec P3AT size.
SharpsDressedMan
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True, the PPK is no longer "cutting edge", but many of these cutting edge new designs have glitches, and some of these glitches aren't going to go away. There are practical limits to size that begin to affect function, and there is the rub. The Walther PP/PPK series has been around since 1929, and is the world standard for comparison of the .32 and .380 round. I recognize and respect many other makes and models, but you just have to notice the position that the Walther is in, or has held for so many years. There are many small .45's, for instance, but few that I would trust my life to. Same with the Mini-9's. As soon as you move to the bigger guns, even slightly bigger, reliability starts to get closer to 100%. Same with the mini-.380's. We'll have to wait and see what kind of reputation the new Glock gets. The Kel-Tec, Kahr, or Ruger LCP, or Sig 238 haven't totally won me over yet, nor do I like drawing from a pocket.
Ha! Exactly...
wow6599
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Two things. What is it about the firearms you listed that haven't won you over yet, and if you don't like drawing from a pocket (I don't either), why even bother with a .380?
.380 is hard to find, and more expensive than 9x19......so why?
The only thing I can come up with, is that this would be attractive to elderly folks or people with disabilities.
Vodoun da Vinci
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Recoil. I have a G26 and Beretta Px4 and love them. So does my Wife...they beat her up with recoil. Teeny tiny is cool. Teeny tiny that recoils to the point you can't accurately follow up is useless.
This seems to be something that a lot of proponents of the "bigger is always better" caliber wars thing just can't get. .380 is a hot seller now, especially with smaller statured and less experienced shooters, because it is potent enough and small enough. Yes, they all know they can get a 9mm in the same size as well as a .45 in the same size. Unfortunately it's more than just the size...it's the power of the recoil. My Wife has 9mm - it's still too punchy. We shot the Ruger offerings in the LCP and the LC380. Nice guns...the LCP recoils more than out G26 in 9mm and the LC380 just didn't feel right to either of us.
A .380 Glock the same size as our G26 yet thinner (single stack) that has just a little less recoil? It's almost an instant sale for her. She'll shoot one and then I'd bet she'll buy it. So will thousands of smaller statured, older, and recoil sensitive buyers who need CCW pistols.
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mdauben
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If you don't like drawing from a pocket then there isn't much point in .380 pocket pistols. They are underpowered compared to other popular SD calibers, the ammo tends to be as expensive, if not more expensive, than other popular SD calibers, and in minimal sized pocket pistols they often have more recoil than other popular SD calibers in larger guns.
If the only reason one is looking at a .380 is reduced recoil, you are better off looking at larger, heavier guns like the Ruger LC380, the Bersa Thunder or your Walther PPK which can give the full benefit of reduced recoil.
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