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New H&K M4 at SHOT!!!

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Greg Bell, Feb 12, 2004.

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  1. Greg Bell

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    Go see at HKPRO.COM!!!!


    Why?:uhoh:
     

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  2. Andrew Wyatt

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    HK needs business badly!
     
  3. Greg Bell

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    I guess so...sheesh. I guess they finally worked out all of the kinks on the XM8:D :D :D
     
  4. squibload

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    Get ready for a massive influx of "HK pre-ban uppers" on eBay.
     
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    SWEET
     
  6. artherd

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    WANT... MORE... INFO!!!

    Daddy likes.
     
  7. Frank in MT

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    Though, what if???

    Spoke with an HK Rep recently and he told me that they are also thinking of bringing the M4 out in ........ .45 acp as well !!!! Now THAT would be fun.

    FN in MT
     
  8. squibload

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    OK, now that's interesting...not just another M4 built on the same forgings with a different company's engraving on the side...
     
  9. whm1974

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    To sell?

    This is diffenfet

    Bill Meadows
     
  10. Kharn

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    Gas Piston?
    ZM Weapons-style moving gas tube(s)?
    Normal gas tube?

    Kharn
     
  11. MLC

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    Gas piston
    As per HKPRO
     
  12. Kharn

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    Should I just direct-deposit my next few paychecks to their account and get it over with?

    Kharn
     
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    Yes, apparently it has a gas piston, though you wouldn't know from looking at it.

    Wonder who'd buy it?
     
  14. Greg Bell

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    Go to HKUSA's website for details. Looks like a stop-gap for the XM8.
     
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    to name a few :D

    (after I become a citizen of course)
     
  16. SCarruth

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    Oh great, another m4. Coming from HK its going to probably cost an arm a leg and perhaps portions of genitalia as well.
    They make good products but way overpriced
     
  17. MLC

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    How long will the construction of their US plant take?
    That should have an impact on prices.
     
  18. QuarterBoreGunner

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    Now this is interesting; the Heckler & Koch USA page says that is uses a direct gas piston system... and it can be retrofit to existing rifles via altering the handguards or rail system.

    Not to start another 'the AR SUCKS!' flame thread ( I personally LIKE the AR quite a bit) I've always disliked the gas system. How does George Hill put it on his page? (which is down for some reason right now) Oh yes...' the AR defecates where it eats...'

    If they sell just the upper, I might be interested.
     
  19. Nightcrawler

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    Okay, but all you guys that have passionately argued on the internet about how great direct-gas-impingement is, and how it's fine and reliable and isn't that hard to keep clean, you can't buy this.

    Well, you can, but I'll tease you. :neener:

    Seriously, I'd like to examine one to see how it's set up. Curious that they'd fit a gas piston setup into what appear to be regular handguards.

    But, coming from HK, it probably will be very expensive. There's already an expensive Gas Piston AR upper, and that isn't a big seller...

    But then, having "HK" stamped on the side of something almost guarantees somebody will buy it.
     
  20. BerettaNut92

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    I wonder if Daewoo will make AR uppers? Would that be legal?
     
  21. Nightcrawler

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    Hmm...as long as it didn't have "pre-ban" features, and the assembled rifle had enough US parts to make it legal (I can never remember if it's five or seven....in any case it shouldn't be difficult with a complete US-made lower receiver, unless the receiver counts as only one piece for some reason) then I don't see why not.
     
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    Tee hee hee :evil:
     
  23. Roadkill Coyote

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    When was the last time that so many companies were making the same, or close variations on, the same basic design?
     
  24. Nightcrawler

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    Domestically? World War II, probably, when you had fifteen different companies churning out each type of weapon.

    Internationally, the FAL rifle was produced, in one variation or another, in Belgium, Argentina, Brazil, England, Australia, Canada (I think) New Zealand, (I think, briefly) Germany, and Austria.

    Then, of course, you have the widespread production of the Kalashnikov, but most of this was done by state industries and not by "companies" per say.

    Commercially, it's a pretty recent thing. It's because the patents have all expired on the M16 design. Anybody can make one, and sell it for profit without paying royalties. Furthermore, given that the US military uses this design, there's a very wide production base. Many companies don't actually MAKE their AR-15 clones, they just finish them and stamp their logos on them. The actual parts are made by various forging companies, and so forth.
     
  25. DMK

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    Well, there's the 1911.

    I wonder which design has more clones? The 1911 or AR-15?
     
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