New IMR powders

[kcofohio]

Hodgdon has the new powders in their burn rate chart.
http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Burn Rates - 2015-2016.pdf

10. Hodgdon Clays
11. IMR Red
12. Alliant Clay Dot

14. Alliant Bullseye
15. IMR Target
16. Hodgdon Titegroup

19. Alliant Green Dot
20. IMR Green
21. Winchester WST

33. Hodgdon Universal
34. IMR Unequal
35. Alliant Power Pistol

 

[Walkalong]

Cool.

 

[1KPerDay]

I'm glad to see more options. I remember what it was like a few years ago when you couldn't find ANY pistol/shotgun powder.

 

[Dudedog]

Great more choices!.
I wonder if this means any current selections will be dropped like 7625 and 4756.
Funny they couldn't seem to come up with better names, but I sure the Marketing department spent lots of money researching what to call them

 

[MEHavey]

Great more powders to buy
http://www.imrpowder.com/press.html

Does anyone see the loading data... anywhere ?

The press release states that reloading data for these new powders is available on their site. i must be blind!

"Color" me blind as well.

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[bbqreloader]

Hodgdon has the new powders in their burn rate chart.

So curiosity question, after looking at the new burn chart, what happens when they drop a powder from the chart that was previously on there, i.e. CFE Pistol failed to make the cut? BE--86 has never been on the list that I'm aware of. Would it be safe to assume it's still in the same range as it was before. I use CFE P, so I know it works, just curious why they would drop a powder that is still made versus one that's dropped because it was discontinued.

 

[Jim Watson]

SR 7625 and 4756 have already been discontinued. As have SR 4759 and PB6.

They say "Each powder was designed to match current shotshell bushing charts, so the handloader will already have the appropriate bushings available for each load." Which I take to mean that the "color" IMRs are volume - not necessarily mass - equivalent to the same color Alliant.

 

[kcofohio]

SR 7625 and 4756 have already been discontinued. As have SR 4759 and PB6.

They say "Each powder was designed to match current shotshell bushing charts, so the handloader will already have the appropriate bushings available for each load." Which I take to mean that the "color" IMRs are volume - not necessarily mass - equivalent to the same color Alliant.

So it would seem that the new IMR powders are seen as filling the gaps where Alliant is not keeping up with demand, maybe? In the shotshell arena that is.

 

[kcofohio]

Hodgdon has the new powders in their burn rate chart.
http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Burn Rates - 2015-2016.pdf

10. Hodgdon Clays
11. IMR Red
12. Alliant Clay Dot

14. Alliant Bullseye
15. IMR Target
16. Hodgdon Titegroup

19. Alliant Green Dot
20. IMR Green
21. Winchester WST

33. Hodgdon Universal
34. IMR Unequal
35. Alliant Power Pistol

One I missed;

48. VV 3N38
49. IMR Blue
50. Winchester 572 (Newcomer)
51. Alliant Blue Dot

 

[berettaprofessor]

Hopefully the load data will be printed in the 2017 Hodgdon reloading guide, due out soon.

 

[Jim Watson]

Seems like they could have posted data on their www the day they announced the new grades.

 

[Krogen]

Great more choices!.
I wonder if this means any current selections will be dropped like 7625 and 4756.
Funny they couldn't seem to come up with better names, but I sure the Marketing department spent lots of money researching what to call them

Yep. Probably the same marketing group that came up with Lil' Gun. Sounds like "baby talk" and makes my skin crawl!

 

[243winxb]

ATK(Alliant) and General Dynamics (ST. Marks) Form American Powder Company in 2001.

"REACH" compliant powder may replace the old Alliant powder?

 

[kcofohio]

ATK(Alliant) and General Dynamics (ST. Marks) Form American Powder Company in 2001.

"REACH" compliant powder may replace the old Alliant powder?

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/ATK+...rican+Powder+Company,+Munitions...-a075465097

According to this article, they did form a venture for the purpose of developing munitions for the government. My search for "American Powder Company" returned zilch of information. Other than the above article.

I tried to find out what "REACH" compliant is. I could only find that Hodgdon only mentions REACH by name in their MSDS form for compliant powders. Just out of curiosity, 243, what is REACH? Thanks!

Sorry, too much time on my hands this morning.

 

[Phlier]

Interesting that they chose to sort of copy Alliant's pistol powder names instead of coming up with something new, or just numbers like their rifle powders. ("Unequal" is a weird choice though. Negative sounding.)

Guess that was the closest word to "Unique" they could come up with.

 

[RealGun]

Looking forward to seeing the reload data recommended by Hodgdon.

 

[KansasSasquatch]

So curiosity question, after looking at the new burn chart, what happens when they drop a powder from the chart that was previously on there, i.e. CFE Pistol failed to make the cut? BE--86 has never been on the list that I'm aware of. Would it be safe to assume it's still in the same range as it was before. I use CFE P, so I know it works, just curious why they would drop a powder that is still made versus one that's dropped because it was discontinued.

They tend to keep older powders on the list because they know that some people buy in bulk and have a supply of it that will last for decades. The burn rate charts aren't really too important anyways. It just gives you an idea of what cartridges a certain powder MIGHT be useful for if you're familiar with the powders surrounding it.

 

[243winxb]

dibutyl phthalate

More than 5% may be a problem? https://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/MSDS Fi...rs/All Hodgdon Spherical Powders_02-11-14.pdf

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/ATK+and+General+Dynamics+Form+American+Powder+Company,+Munitions...-a075465097

According to this article, they did form a venture for the purpose of developing munitions for the government. My search for "American Powder Company" returned zilch of information. Other than the above article.

I tried to find out what "REACH" compliant is. I could only find that Hodgdon only mentions REACH by name in their MSDS form for compliant powders. Just out of curiosity, 243, what is REACH? Thanks!

Sorry, too much time on my hands this morning.

See post # 15 for REACH. I would guess to much of the chemical is not healthy??

The American Powder Company just shows me they are working together.
ATK did transfer Alliant to Vista Outdoor. Some of Alliants rifle powder is imported . Some others from St. Marks.

I just find it strange that some of the burn rates seem so close and colors.

 

[kcofohio]

More than 5% may be a problem? https://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/MSDS Files/Smokeless/Hodgdon/Spherical Powders/All Hodgdon Spherical Powders_02-11-14.pdf


See post # 15 for REACH. I would guess to much of the chemical is not healthy??

The American Powder Company just shows me they are working together.
ATK did transfer Alliant to Vista Outdoor. Some of Alliants rifle powder is imported . Some others from St. Marks.

I just find it strange that some of the burn rates seem so close and colors.

243winxb, thank you! I missed that post. I should have looked back more closely.

 

[kcofohio]

Looking forward to seeing the reload data recommended by Hodgdon.

Hodgdon has posted some load data on the site now. I saw from 25 ACP to 45 ACP load data I think it is still in progress. I 1st checked 9mm, nothing. Then 45 Auto showed some data. Now 9mm shows data for some.

 

[Walkalong]

Cool, but as far as "unequal" goes, is still to dumb of a name for me to want to try it.

 

[kcofohio]

Cool, but as far as "unequal" goes, is still to dumb of a name for me to want to try it.

The thinking minds behind the naming must have been preoccupied with the then upcoming elections.

 

[bbqreloader]

Don't care what they name it. As long as it's readily available, affordable and works in my handgun loads

 

[Clark]

1) That burn rate chart shows Power Pistol and 800X as faster than HS-6, AA#5, and 3N37.
I realize that the relative burn rate, relative quickness, and Du Pont Index are 3 different things, but may agree on the relative order. I would put them in a different order for a different concept I would use, change in pressure per change in charge. I would call this concept peaky vs forgiving muzzle fireball. On my scale HS-6, AA#5, and 3N37 are as peaky as I have found, while Power Pistol and 800X are very forgiving. That is forgiving in pressure. 800X half burned flakes may burn into my car hood paint job. That is hard to forgive.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/powder_relative_burn_rate.htm

2) IMR-4451 is ~~ like an H4350 that does not allow Copper fouling in the bore.
IMR-4166 is ~~ like an H322 or H4895 that does not allow Copper fouling in the bore.
The temp stability is not quite as good [I am going on published temp data, not my testing], and the velocity is not quite as good at the same pressure. It seems the anti Copper fouling coating on the powder comprimes the temp coating and gets in the way of burning.
But those two compromises are minor to me compared to the freedom from Copper fouling.
I build 2 to 6 rifles per year, sight them in at long range, and use one or two to shoot a number of big game animals.
I can go from new barrel, 50 rounds of sighting in, and 2 rounds killing animals, and never clean.
Before 2015, I would clean a bore a couple times before I killed an animal; Powder solvent, patch, Copper solvent, patch, Kroil, brush 25 strokes [nearly wearing out the brush relative to groove diameter] patch, Alcohol, patch, moly bore paste.

The combination of: 1) new 4WD vehicle that will go over 600 yards of sage brush with no walking to the target and 2) no cleaning Copper because of IMR-4451 and IMR-4166 has me sighting in rifles fast. I can sight in more rifles and take other hunters and straighten out their rifles too.

 

[NeuseRvrRat]

Powder Valley posted today that the new powders will be available for purchase tomorrow.