New job, stupid rules, can't bring a knife to a restaraunt

[hankdatank1362]

Carry a fixed blade steak knife in your back pocket from your restaurant. If anyone asks, say you just found it lying on the floor and was going to drop it off at the dish pit, but you must have forgotten.

 

[mgkdrgn]

A restaurant with no knives, even in the kitchen?

Some kind of noodle place?

 

[BADSBSNF81]

It is far eaiser to ask forgiveness than to get permission.

 

[bdickens]

Is there an echo in here?

 

[jaholder1971]

Quote:
Here is a idea... you don't like thier policys, don't work there.
Can we get through a single thread without someone posting this obvious, useless and completely unhelpful suggestion?

The OP was simply stating he didn't like the policy, not that it was affecting his life so drastically that it had to go or he had to go.

For a forum that so often touches on reasonable and rationed responses to threats/situations, I see this inflammatory overreaction far to often.

Sometimes the closet anarchist and wannabe dictator that resides in every Libertarian loves to beat their chests once in awhile.

The ones i really love are those who will tell you their business, their rules but if you follow their rules , are injured/killed because their rules rendered you unable to effectively defend yourself it's your own fault for being there.

Their rights are supreme and everyone else bears the responsibility.

 

[Dark_Harvest]

jaholder1971,

Would you mind clarifying what you just said?

I would really like to know how one goes from "Libertarian" to "Their rights are supreme and everyone else bears the responsibility."

 

[Loomis]

I had to repair a machine at a hog butchering plant once. Everyone had to go through a metal detector in the guard shack in the parking lot.

NO KNIVES ALLOWED

Then when the workers get their white coats and hair nets on, they each pick up a big knife and go to work cutting up pigs.

How's that for stupid?

 

[Ben Shepherd]

Well, them stepping on your toes sucks. But here's what I think's going on:

They aren't anti-weapon or defense per-se, but they ARE anti lawsiut via the corporate legal dept.... So if I was you:

Leave it in your vehichle. NOT on principal, but on utility. Use thier boxcutters and small knives for the mundane tasks. Saves your blade rough use, leaves it for when needed. But see if you can work out keeping a good kitchen knife handy. You know, working in a kitchen/restaurant you never know when you may have a need for a good knife.

 

[Zedo]

"No knives" eh . . . ???

I'm betting the kitchen is full of them, and customers get a steak knife at the table along with the standard flatwear service -- which last time I looked included a knife.

Are you really sure this is the sort of corporation you want to "train" in? If their business models about knives sux, what about the way they run the rest of the operation?

 

[neededausername]

A little clarification here. I wasn't complaining about their policies, in fact I love my job. I was just pointing out how ludicrous of a policy it really is. I would never really consider my little pocketknife as a self defense weapon unless really pushed to it. I would probably grab a sturdy wooden broom handle or something before I used the knife I carry, it's just to small and I would have to get way to close. And as I said in my original post there are all kinds of knives all over the place, some of them quite large and all very, very sharp.

 

[ColinthePilot]

I carry a pocket knife everywhere I legally can. about the only time I don't have one is inside airport security. If someone asked me not to carry it, I would pocket it anyway and they'd never know the difference. The Air Force even issued me a switchblade and will issue me an M-9 when I go to the desert, but they don't want me to have my personal weapon on base (I oblige) and warn me that the switchblade is illegal in many areas, so I probably shouldn't carry it.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

The Air Force even issued me a switchblade

Are they staging a production of West Side Story?

MC-1 in orange scales or the new and improved model?

 

[Picard]

So you're going to work in a kitchen, where people will have many long and sharp knives and you're worried about a pocket knife? Don't worry about the policy. It's a bunch of bull. Keep on bringing your knife to work and nobody will say anything.

 

[TAB]

So you're going to work in a kitchen, where people will have many long and sharp knives and you're worried about a pocket knife? Don't worry about the policy. It's a bunch of bull. Keep on bringing your knife to work and nobody will say anything.

so a employer trying to protect themselfs from a workmens comp claim is bull? This policy is not about having a knife for SD, its about some one cutting them selfs with it trying to open something.

If you get a paper cut and stay in the ER longer then 24 hours, OSHA, by law has to do a full inspection of your work enviroment.

 

[JesseL]

so a employer trying to protect themselfs from a workmens comp claim is bull? This policy is not about having a knife for SD, its about some one cutting them selfs with it trying to open something.

If you get a paper cut and stay in the ER longer then 24 hours, OSHA, by law has to do a full inspection of your work enviroment.

So can you explain how neededausername's pocket knife is so much more likely to result in a workmen's comp claim than the chef's knives, paring knives, meat cleavers, box cutters, fillet knives, carving knives, steak knives, butter knives, poultry shears, etc. that are already all over the restaurant?

The restaurant's owners can set whatever policy they like, but there is simply no way that this policy isn't completely stupid.

 

[TAB]

Sure can, those are tools that are used for certain tasks and only those tasks. People are trained in thier proper use. Not so with a knife.

So a workmens comp company can predict what might happen with those tools. A knife on the other hand is a big unknown to them, so they can't predict what might happen.

 

[glockman19]

Don't worry. There should be plenty of knives in a restrauant. Longer sharper ones in the kitchen.

 

[Picard]

I feel like the policy is there for when someone does screw up. Then, the company has little liability since it forbid them in the first place. It's merely a symbolic gesture.

I'd definitely have a pocket knife on me at all times. It comes in handy all of the time.

BTW, you mentioned that you had a Kershaw. I just got one of those, with the assisted opening. Best pocket knife I've ever owned!

 

[KBintheSLC]

My job does not allow weapons either, but the State law says they can do nothing but fire me if I am seen with one. So, I ignore their baseless, senseless policy and I carry my concealed weapon to work anyway. 2 years and still going. Just make sure you never tell anyone, and never expose it. Beyond that it is very unlikely that they will attempt to search you. I doubt that is legal anywhere.

 

[JesseL]

Sure can, those are tools that are used for certain tasks and only those tasks.

Uh huh, sure they are. Nobody ever misuses a tool.

People are trained in thier proper use.

Yeah, I remember attending the steak knife seminar and getting my certification. It's hanging on the wall right next to my shoelace operators license.

You can play games all day with the way training, policies, liability are supposed to work in the depths of some bureaucrats wet dream, but it doesn't change the fact that anyone who occupies and is familiar with the real world can see that the policy is weapons grade stupid.

Furthermore, blind acceptance of this kind of stupid is going to be the downfall of civilization.

 

[TAB]

I take it you have never been a employer.

 

[JesseL]

I take it you have never been a employer.

Nope, but that doesn't mean I can't understand why an employer would worry about liability (or just try to rig every possible risk in their own favor).

Many employers would cheerfully do far worse things than disallow pocketknives if they could get away with it.

 

[762 shooter]

The only time carrying should ever come up , is when everyone is thanking you.

 

[TAB]

You would be amazed what you can get away with, but you would also be amazed with what you can't

 

[JesseL]

You would be amazed what you can get away with, but you would also be amazed with what you can't

Can != should
Can't != shouldn't

I know a lot of employers get away with some truly heinous stuff, and I know a lot of employees suffer for doing things that are perfectly reasonable; and none of it surprises me anymore.

That isn't going to stop me from calling a spade a shovel and resisting the popular trends toward misplaced liability, lawyer induced hysteria, and apathy to common sense.

FWIW, my employer lets me open carry a pistol, keep a switchblade in my pocket, and get away with arguing on THR from my desk.