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Come on, J, don't start the bidding too high this early
New Kel-Tec Bullpup Rifle
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Come on, J, don't start the bidding too high this early
armoredman
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I'm out -can't even begin to afford anything at $1,500, or I'd have an FAL already.
I can honestly say I did not see that one coming.
That has to be one of the neatest exercises in firearms engineering in the last 25 years.
I have two kids & a wife to support, so I will not come out & say, "I'LL BUY ONE,'" but that is one intriguing weapon.
I especially like the idea of it being chambered in 7.62NATO/.308Win. They can always come back later and chamber it in a varmint round (5.56mm). The idea of one of these pupiies in .260Rem gets me mildly giddy.
I hope Kel-Tec does it right and hits this one out of the park.
That has to be one of the neatest exercises in firearms engineering in the last 25 years.
I have two kids & a wife to support, so I will not come out & say, "I'LL BUY ONE,'" but that is one intriguing weapon.
I especially like the idea of it being chambered in 7.62NATO/.308Win. They can always come back later and chamber it in a varmint round (5.56mm). The idea of one of these pupiies in .260Rem gets me mildly giddy.
I hope Kel-Tec does it right and hits this one out of the park.
Just Saw the Video
(Just saw the video.)
Oh, now, that ain't right!
Controllable double-taps with 7.62mm? In a super-shorty package?
There are some sadistic pups at Kel-Tec to release the video and then say, "You gotta wait a year."
FWIW, I do not want to be the guy in the next lane when a RFB owner lets loose. Muzzle blast will likely be fugly.
(Just saw the video.)
Oh, now, that ain't right!
Controllable double-taps with 7.62mm? In a super-shorty package?
There are some sadistic pups at Kel-Tec to release the video and then say, "You gotta wait a year."
FWIW, I do not want to be the guy in the next lane when a RFB owner lets loose. Muzzle blast will likely be fugly.
JesseL
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It shouldn't be any worse than any other 18" 308 (and significantly less offensive than something like the SOCOM 16). The 24" and 32" barrels should be almost pleasant.
DMK
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I have a 17" FAL with a brake. It's loud.
That rifle has what looks like a Phantom flash suppressor, so it's probably not noticeably worse than your typical AR carbine.
After watching that video, I want one of those bad! I'll have to get me a bigger piggy bank for my pennies.
That rifle has what looks like a Phantom flash suppressor, so it's probably not noticeably worse than your typical AR carbine.
After watching that video, I want one of those bad! I'll have to get me a bigger piggy bank for my pennies.
shappy0869
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What Scope/Sight To Mount?
I think almost everyone agrees that this is one cool rifle. Since it comes with no built in sights, the obvious question becomes what kind should be mounted? Only rule, it can't cost more than the rifle itself.
Given the fact that even in the 18" carbine model, it should give excellent longer range performance (beyond that of a 5.56), my vote goes for the Elcan SpecterDR.
http://specterdr.elcan.com/SpecterDR1.pdf
I think almost everyone agrees that this is one cool rifle. Since it comes with no built in sights, the obvious question becomes what kind should be mounted? Only rule, it can't cost more than the rifle itself.
Given the fact that even in the 18" carbine model, it should give excellent longer range performance (beyond that of a 5.56), my vote goes for the Elcan SpecterDR.
http://specterdr.elcan.com/SpecterDR1.pdf
falling leaves
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I was scheming for a way to pile up enough cash for an M1A. It looks to me like everyone's estimates put this rifle at about the same pricing, and if that is the case then I am now definitely scheming for a way to pile up enough cash for a Kel-Tec. Kinda seems wrong to say that, doesn't it? K-T usually being at the lower end of the price scale and all.
Really though, this thing should fill the same role as a SOCOM with better bullet velocities and arguably better handling. Especially for those of use that love the bullpup idea and shoot lefty... As long as it works it should be priced about the same or even a little more (free market capitalism being what it is). I think it would be great if they could bring it out for much less, but there has to be a fair number of parts and machining operations going into the construction - those don't always come cheap. I have a good friend that dropped over $1700 on a 300 WM bolt gun. This has to be harder to build than that boltie.
I think this could be a great product, I really hope they execute it well and get it to market, and I am increasingly impressed with Kel-Tec as a company. I may even have to go buy something of theirs while I'm waiting to show my support.
Really though, this thing should fill the same role as a SOCOM with better bullet velocities and arguably better handling. Especially for those of use that love the bullpup idea and shoot lefty... As long as it works it should be priced about the same or even a little more (free market capitalism being what it is). I think it would be great if they could bring it out for much less, but there has to be a fair number of parts and machining operations going into the construction - those don't always come cheap. I have a good friend that dropped over $1700 on a 300 WM bolt gun. This has to be harder to build than that boltie.
I think this could be a great product, I really hope they execute it well and get it to market, and I am increasingly impressed with Kel-Tec as a company. I may even have to go buy something of theirs while I'm waiting to show my support.
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Shappy, how much is that Elcan Spectre? I want one for my AR.
shappy0869
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If you can find one, I believe they are in the $1500 range. Here is some info on it: http://www.weaponforums.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=282964
Thin Black Line
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Actually, a great marketing strategy, gives them time to tool up and stock
a significant pallet or two of weapons, and work out any bugs in the few
prototypes they made. I would imagine these prototypes will find their way
to a couple well-known gun writers who can have stories in print with nice
glossy photos about a month or two before FFLs can start actually placing
orders.
I would also try to market them at the government buyers shows. It wouldn't
take a very big contract for this to do well with a small company.
Well, at least that's how I would do it.
Lobotomy Boy
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I can imagine a lot of military applications for this gun. It would be a cheap way to supplement the M4, giving the old Stoner gun a new lease on life without developing and approving a new caliber of ammo. It might only be a stopgap measure until the next weapon system is developed, but it would be a good stopgap measure that would buy a lot of time with relatively little cost. Imagine what a contract for 100,000 guns would mean to a company like Kel-Tec.
My biggest worry is that this gun will be illegal by the time the consumer version is released.
My biggest worry is that this gun will be illegal by the time the consumer version is released.
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Er, it's more comperable to the M14, especially the bullpup variant Israelis field.
Depending on how accurate the target model is, I could see it making a good DMR. It doesn't even need to be that accurate. Look at how popular Dragunovs are worldwide, and those shoot what, 2 MOA?
If the new AWB passes, this will go down with the Calico as one of the truly interesting designs shot down by congressional stupidity.
Depending on how accurate the target model is, I could see it making a good DMR. It doesn't even need to be that accurate. Look at how popular Dragunovs are worldwide, and those shoot what, 2 MOA?
If the new AWB passes, this will go down with the Calico as one of the truly interesting designs shot down by congressional stupidity.
Lobotomy Boy
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Percy, the gun can't very well supplement the M14 for U.S. forces since only a few specialized units use the M14, and they don't really need another .308. The key word here is "supplement." This gun could give U.S. forces using .223-caliber guns the option of a lightwieght, compact .308 to supplement the .223s.
shappy0869
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Projected Reliability
Based on the diagrams and the descriptions of the operating system and the general layout, does anyone care to venture an opinion as to the reliability of the RFB? I know this is not an easy question to answer and it will all be based on conjecture and opinion, but I will settle for that right now (do I have a choice?).
Based on the diagrams and the descriptions of the operating system and the general layout, does anyone care to venture an opinion as to the reliability of the RFB? I know this is not an easy question to answer and it will all be based on conjecture and opinion, but I will settle for that right now (do I have a choice?).
Kel Tec RFB PreOrder
These guys already have the preorder available for the Kel - Tec RFB - http://www.impactguns.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=Ozberkmen&page=http://www.impactguns.com/store/KEL-762.html
These guys already have the preorder available for the Kel - Tec RFB - http://www.impactguns.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=Ozberkmen&page=http://www.impactguns.com/store/KEL-762.html
phoglund
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Well...well...I don't know what to say. Nice concept! If the execution is as good it will be a very popular rifle indeed. Now to figure out how to get one. They are going to be very hard to get a hold of for quite a long time I'd think.
Cesiumsponge
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I caught wind of this on another thread but didn't realize there was a video floating about until I found a dedicated thread for the Keltec bullpup.
Even at a guesstimated range of $1500 street, I'd definitely go for one because there is nothing else like it on the market, and I don't have anything over .223 rifle-wise yet...but then again, I'm irresponsible with money when it comes to neat firearms. I already put myself in the poor house this year by signing up for one of the first limited edition MSAR STG-556 "Steyr AUG" clones.
I guess I'll have to chew on instant noodles through next year as well and hope Magpul delays the Masada a while longer or I'm going to have to sell a kidney
Even at a guesstimated range of $1500 street, I'd definitely go for one because there is nothing else like it on the market, and I don't have anything over .223 rifle-wise yet...but then again, I'm irresponsible with money when it comes to neat firearms. I already put myself in the poor house this year by signing up for one of the first limited edition MSAR STG-556 "Steyr AUG" clones.
I guess I'll have to chew on instant noodles through next year as well and hope Magpul delays the Masada a while longer or I'm going to have to sell a kidney
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Not sure how I feel about the ejection. It doesn't toss them out one by one but the cases can build up inside then come spilling out. Seems like that would be distracting. I would be compulsively and constantly pointing the rifle down and shaking it to make sure there was nothing left inside. That's just me. Too chaotic.
Not sure how I feel about the ejection. It doesn't toss them out one by one but the cases can build up inside then come spilling out. Seems like that would be distracting. I would be compulsively and constantly pointing the rifle down and shaking it to make sure there was nothing left inside. That's just me. Too chaotic.
Zerstoerer
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I see this as an advantage - if you only need to shoot one or two shots you can block the ejection tube on purpose and not leave any brass/evidence lying around...
If everyone is out buying FAL magazines - leave some for me.
If everyone is out buying FAL magazines - leave some for me.
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I bought a PLR-16 last month, and it is a spectacular gun. It was a little stiff for the first 200 rounds, but once everything bedded in it has worked flawlessly with all my mags. I couldn't be happier with it... for a $465 gun. If I paid three times that (or more), I'd expect a heck of a lot higher level of fit and finish.
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