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Today I went to the Shot Show in Orlando Florida. It is a convention that deals with everything from guns to gear. I saw a lot of new product That with be release this year, but one happen to catch my eye. Kel-Tec is coming out with a new pistol and rifle. The rifle is called the Kel-Tec RFB and is chambered in 7.62 mm Nato. What I was really interested in was the new single stack 9mm TEC PF 9, it is smaller than the P-11 which I like and just a bit bigger than the P-3AT. It has the P-3AT trigger pull and will have a belt clip. There is also a great little laser that can be added to it called the CAT, if you want to see it, it's at www.amchar.com

Anyway, it really blow my shirt off and I thought I'd share it with you guys.

P.S. after the show I went out and bought a 4" S.A. 45 ACP. XD. Can't wait to shot it
 
Today I went to the Shot Show in Orlando Florida. It is a convention that deals with everything from guns to gear. I saw a lot of new product That with be release this year, but one happen to catch my eye. Kel-Tec is coming out with a new pistol and rifle. The rifle is called the Kel-Tec RFB and is chambered in 7.62 mm Nato. What I was really interested in was the new single stack 9mm TEC PF 9, it is smaller than the P-11 which I like and just a bit bigger than the P-3AT. It has the P-3AT trigger pull and will have a belt clip. There is also a great little laser that can be added to it called the CAT, if you want to see it, it's at www.amchar.com

The PF-9 is not "just a bit bigger" than a P-3AT, it's a lot bigger!

PF9_3AT.jpg
 
Personally, I think the PF9 must have been perceived as an "improved" P11, one that addresses the trigger that many don't like on the P11 and they made it a little thinner and lighter by going single stack.

I thought when I saw it I didn't need one. I'm still of that mindset, keep my P11, thanks. I don't have a problem with the DA trigger and appreciate the added capacity. I don't think the P11 is hard to conceal, after all, and fail to see how the PF9 will improve the gun as a pocket carry. It's just as long and just as high and only .012" thinner. I mean, if I didn't already have the P11 and like it, I might go with the PF9 just because it is slightly thinner and 2 ounces lighter. Capacity isn't really an issue with the gun, 9 rounds I think.

I bet that .308 will be a hit with the mall ninja crowd. :D
 
Is that the single stack version and if so, how does it shoot????

Yes, it is the new PF-9 single stack.

It shoots fine. Has (IMO) a much better trigger than the P-11.

Felt recoil is a little heavier than a P-3AT.
 
Reports of cracking slides , breaking extractors , and assembly pins seem to indicate that this little gun is not ready for prime time . Looking at pics of brass it also appears that it is prematurely unlocking .
 
Reports of cracking slides , breaking extractors , and assembly pins seem to indicate that this little gun is not ready for prime time . Looking at pics of brass it also appears that it is prematurely unlocking .

Almost sounds to me it needs a stronger recoil spring.??? Yeah, I'd wait a year or two for 'em to iron out the problems with the gun even if I wanted one.
 
The cracking slide problem was fixed real fast.

I don't think you will see any after the first 100 guns.

I have just over 300 rounds through mine now and have had no problems so far.
 
Is that the single stack version and if so, how does it shoot????

They're snappy. You know the gun is light weight when you can feel a difference in recoil between a full magazine and an empty one. It does carry easy.

Not a good range gun, but not unpleasant. Recoil from my handloaded 147 gr. +P's was pretty nasty, though.
 
Almost sounds to me it needs a stronger recoil spring.??? Yeah, I'd wait a year or two for 'em to iron out the problems with the gun even if I wanted one.

My carry load is 124gr Gold Dot +P for short barrels and you're right, it's pretty (very) snappy and requires a good tight grip..
 
I own a P-3at and I'm waiting for KT to get the bug out of the PF-9. Check out www.KTrange or www.KTOG.com and you will see what I mean. The first generation of the P3at was not so stellar either.

a .308 Kel Tec rifle...no thank you. Too may KB with the SU-16.
 
I have over 650 rounds of mixed bag thru mine so far and not a single hiccup...

Mine is a sub-100 S/N...

Love it!
 
a .308 Kel Tec rifle...no thank you. Too may KB with the SU-16.

I think that's a big time internet rumor. The only documented kBs in an SU-16 were bad ammo. Very bad ammo. And there have been very few of them. Exactly the sort of stuff that causes a kB in a well made AR or any other rifle.

I really think the kB rumor is perpetuated by people who don't like the look of the SU-16 or paid twice as much for their AR and need to feel good about it. I don't own an SU-16C yet, but I plan on getting one soon. I do own a PLR-16, the pistol version of the SU-16, and it is an excellent product. It's reliable and a ton of fun to shoot.

I plan on getting an RFB when they ship in about a year. The idea of a .308 bullpup strongly appeals to me. I still can't decide which version to buy. The carbine has an 18" barrel and is only 26" long. The target model has a 32" barrel in a 40" rifle and is reported to shoot well under 1 MOA and has about the same performance as a .300 magnum fired from a 24" barrel, without the ammo cost, recoil, or barrel erosion. There is a sporter version that has a 24" barrel in a 32" overall length which could be seen as the best of both worlds.

All models are completely ambidextrous. Spent cases are ejected forward through an ejection tube and land slightly to the right, about a foot in front of the rifle. No ejection port does make it more difficult to verify the chamber is empty. The current method is to remove the mag and visually inspect the chamber via the mag well.

The stock trigger is getting great reviews. They approached the trigger bar linkage differently to avoid the heavy trigger usually found on bullpups. Instead of a long trigger bar linkage, there is now a long hammer linkage with most of the trigger group located near the trigger. They also offer a version of this trigger assembly with five separate adjustable parameters that makes it even better for precision shooting. It's standard on the target version and an optional upgrade for the other two.

So far, it's mostly marketing information and the proof will be in the shooting, but I'm liking what I'm seeing. It's like they designed this just for me. The prices have surprised people who think of Kel-Tec as a manufacturer of cheap and clever little guns. I think of them as a manufacturer of innovative firearms that provide good value, so I wasn't quite as surprised to see the preliminary pricing of $2000, $2500 and $3000 for the carbine, sporter and target models. Those prices are subject to change in the next year, and street prices should be about 75% of those MSRPs.

More RFB info and discussion is here:
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=499

The 2 MB PDF brochure is here:
http://www.kel-tec.com/images/downloads/RFB_Flyer_SHOT_2007_web.pdf

Kel-Tec's website is here:
http://www.kel-tec.com



The RFB uses metric FAL magazines.
 
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Ohhhhhhhh I might just switch back to 7.62x51 if it becomes affordable. $3k is a bit rough though. Do we know what type of magazines it will use? Need to stock up now.
 
I finally handled one today.
I was struck by the trigger reach. I have small hands and this gun was right at the edge of what my index finger could comfortably reach!! My Kahr MK9 has a much better reach than the KT!!!
I don't think the PF9 is gunna replace it!!! :rolleyes:
 
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