I am starting an Unsubstantiated Kel-Tec Rummor

[ajacobs]

At the shot show I asked Kel-tec if they were comming out with a 10 round mag for the 3at like they have for the p-32. Their responce was they were working on a .380 auto 10 round mag but not for the 3at.

I think we will we see a double stack p-3at. Would you be interested? My guess it would have a grip that is about 1 and a half times the width of of the current 3at

 

[Badger Arms]

Ajacobs, they already have the 10rd mag for the P32. If they are working on a 10rd mag for the 380, it wouldn't be any different than that for the P11. A 380 the size of the P11 would be nice, but why not just get the P11 then? Understand that if it's a SINGLE stack, the mag sticks out of the base too much. A double-stack necessitates a frame as wide as that of the P11 because the 380 is as wide as a 9mm.

BTW, it would be a very simple matter of slapping a spacer in the rear of their P11 magazine (or front maybe?) and putting a ligter spring and slide on the P11, but where's the market for that? Maybe take some thunder out of the Bersa lineup of 380's.

 

[ajacobs]

I realize they have an extended 10 round mag for the p32 and that is why I asked them if they were working on an extended mag for the .3at. They said that they were working on a 10 round 380 auto mag but that it would not fit the 3at. Which leads me to believe they are working on a double stack 3at. Which I believe would still be significatly smaller than a p-11 as all demensions but grip width could be the same and the grip width would be 1.5 times or so the current 3at width as my guess. That would still be allot smaller than a p-11

 

[Badger Arms]

That's gotta look funny. I got used to the Para Ordnance fat grips, though, so I guess I could, gulp, get used to this.

 

[JohnKSa]

Surely there's some way to make a magazine where the rounds are staggered without being offset to the left and right as much as a typical double-column mag?

You'd get a magazine that was shorter than a single stack, but not as thick as a typical double-stack.

I don't know anything about magazine design, maybe that's not a viable solution for some reason I'm unaware of...

 

[Onslaught]

Surely there's some way to make a magazine where the rounds are staggered without being offset to the left and right as much as a typical double-column mag?

USP45 Compact magazines are double stacked, but are not as wide as USP45 full size mags, ergo I assume they aren't "as staggered"... So it's possible.

 

[ksnecktieman]

I would like to see the p11 with a single stack, in the width of the p32 and the p3at

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

I think they're making a 10 round stripper clip fed p3at.

 

[tiberius]

Aahh, a new Grendel.

 

[Erich]

Oy vey.

Maybe they'll finally get one to work.

 

[gbelleh]

I don't understand why Kel-Tec hasn't made an ultra-thin, single stack 9mm yet to directly compete with the Kahr PM series.

A double stack .380 seems kind of silly, but maybe not if it was small and light enough.

 

[cratz2]

I agree that most American members of this forum might not leap to buy a P-11 sized pistol in 380 but it would be extremely easy to make one... As Badger said, just a magazine spacer and a lighter spring... Should be good to go. Then gun shop folks that thought that a 9mm might be too much for certain buyers could recommend that. And they could sell them in other countries that prohibit 9mm sales.

To JohnKSa's question about magazine sizing... I think that most folks fall into one of two groups... for the most part. Either they want the smallest, most comfortable grip or they want the most rounds of their cartridge choice as possible.

Personally, I think the Kahr grip is just a bit too thin. Firing the hottest loads, I think if it were maybe 1/16 to 1/8 of an inch thicker and the checkering was a bit smoother or even of a different pattern, it would be nicer with hotter 40 loads. If the gun was designed from scratch like this, I think it might be able to hold 10 rounds of 9mm in the T-length magazine and would be that much more of an attractive package as a small carry gun.

 

[Myself]

Doesn't the Wilson KZ series have about a 1 1/2 X thickness semi-staggered mag?

 

[yzguy]

they already make a P-11 sized .380 and have been selling it over seas for a while now (no market for it here), I think it comes with a 10 round mag. That may have been what they were talking about (just messing with you).