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Kachok

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I let a friend borrow my Savage 270 WSM the other day, today he called me and let me know in no uncertain terms that he was not bringing it back and made me a nice offer on it. Now I am in need of a new super flat gun for my beanfield hunts. Looking for sugestions for my new toy. Weight is not an issue since I don't have any long hikes where I hunt, and I have other rifles for hunting in the brush if needed. I really liked the 270 WSM but I am not for sure dead set on another one.
 
Looking to buy new or used? Price Range. If you already have reloading dies for the .270 WSM, I'd get another. Or you could go all out on a Lazerroni 7.21 Tomahawk or 6.71 Phantom ;0)
 
30-378 will get it done too. I'm willing to bet that you don't want to spend crazy money for a box of ammo though. 7 Mag would be a decent choice, and I know that you can find ammo all over the place.

By the way, a guy I know uses a 30-378 specifically for beanfield hunts. His rifle is zeroed at 500 yards, and I know that he has taken deer out to around 650 with that round. It is not easy on your wallet, ears, or shoulder though.
 
I'd say get another .270 WSM if you were particularly fond of it. Maybe pick up a nicer model if you made enough from your friend's offer.
 
The WSM .270 is my go to deer rifle. I shot all South African plains game with it 5 years ago using 150 grain Federal Nosler Partition with only one needing a second shot. I have taken 7 deer with it. It is truly a death ray and I hunted for 40 years before with a ,270 Winchester ! I shoot it in a 1999 Winchester stainless Model 70 Classic tunes and bedded with a Swavaroski 3-12 scope in Deadnutz mount. With all copper 130 grain Barnes Triple shok Federal ammo I get 1.5" 200 yard groups off the bench.
There is a great selection of wonderful factory ammo for hunting available! I have made up some Accubond loads that are very accurate but have only used factory ammo for hunting.
The Savages with the heavier barrels and bigger bolt knobs have seemed very accurate for friends.
 
Personally I would go for something in a 7mm caliber. If you like the shorts, a 7mmWSM, if you want to get a bit more velocity out of the heavier bullets a 7mmRM would do. Either way, the 6.8mm/.270cal. wouldn't be my first choice (had a Browning A-Bolt in .270WSM and hated the chambering). A 6.5mm wouldn't be a bad option either. As far as the rifle, there are many good choices ATM, but Winchester, Savage, & Browning regularly top my list.

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Kachok, More info please?? Whats a realistic long shoot and what is your game range to in size. Do you hand load. Maybe time for a mild custom??
 
Looking for new, had a couple bad experences buying used. Long range for me is no more then 550 yds, thought I have yet to shoot anything living past about 425. The 270 WSM is a death ray with Ballistic Tips, and I already have the dies for it. I like the 7mm Rem mag too, I have owned three of them over the years, the 7mm has an edge with larger game since it can use heavier /higher SD bullets, but for deer the 130gr 270 cal works just fine and the recoil is less by a good margin in lighter rifles. Regular go to gun is a 6.5x55 so I keep a good selection of 6.5mm bullets on my reloading bench though no semi mainstream 6.5mms on the market can match the 270 WSM or 7mm RM for trajectory. BTW I hate Remington rifles, owned three...all junk, so I avoid them like the plague.
 
Get a .264 Win Mag. 6.5 mm bullet and shoots like a laser, I would put it up against any .270 or 7 mag any day. I saw one in the new Cabelas catalog the other day, it was a Winchester model 70, 26" barrel and a pretty stock. I almost had to risk the divorce and buy it.

Thomas
 
I have a love hate relationship with the 264 win mag. Great performance, poor design. Too low pressure, too much powder, hence their NASTY reputation as a barrel burner. 6.5mm Rem mag can beat it's performance with less powder but unfotunetly it was introduced in a mismatched carbine rifle so it never cought on. Savage has a 6.5-284 rifle but brass would be a pain to find. 270, 7mm, and .30 cal magnums tend to be better ballenced...Shame. :( I thought about making a custom 6.5 WSM, that would beat out even the .264 due to the higher pressure but would still suffer the same barrel burn issues with that massive case volume, though the steep shoulder angle might tame burn a tad.
 
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260 remington...

Same bullet drop as a 300 win mag, but with much less recoil. In europe, they have been using 6.5mm projectiles for game up to moose for years with very good success.
 
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Yup you got to use the .270 WSM to know how good it is!
Like I said I hunted a .270 Wnchester for almost 40 years prior to it.
I also tried the .264 Win Mag and have a nice old Westerner that is my go to pronghorn rifle. I'd say it is as good as the .270 WSM in everything except bullet performance on game in my experience.You just can't beat modern factory ammo like you can get in .270 WSM for hunting IMHO.
 
Oh I like the 260 but I already own a 6.5x55 which is nearly identical. And yes with my 120gr BTs I can get a decent flat trajectory, 3050fps with a .458 BC, that is a tad better a factory 130gr 270 win, or a 180gr 300 win mag, still that does not hold a candle to the 3400fps w/ .433 BC that my WSM was pushing. Run the math on that and you will see that is just as flat as a max load 257 Wby mag!! A 260 or 6.5x55 can very well shoot flat enough with 120s but when you are talking about 400+yd that is alot of energy loss. 6.5mm calibers retain alot more energy with 140gr but then you are backing down to about 2750fps so you won't get that super flat trajectory.
 
A few observations. Why would you dismiss the 6.5wsm as a barrel burner, and not the 6.8wsm? All these magnums from 6mm up to 7mm are all barrel burners.

On a second note: Long range shooting is just as much about wind deflection as bullet drop. These "lasers" that you keep mentioning are the easy part. Drop is consistent for a given range. I'll give you an example: I will take your load of a .433 g1 bc at 3400 feet per second, vs. a 6.5 caliber bullet with .612 bc at a fairly easily obtainable 3000 fps. At 700 yards your 6.8 will drop about 3.4 mils, and the 6.5 about 3.9. Either way at this range you will have to dial to compensate for the shot. How much harder is it to dial 3.9 than 3.4? But here is the kicker. The 6.5 only needs 1.0 mil of windage per 10 mph cross wind, and the 6.8 needs 1.3 mils. That is a difference of 8 inches. That means you have 8 inches more wiggle room on that deer. That could mean the difference between a gut shot or a miss on whitetail sized game. The difference only grows more between the two rounds as the yardage increases. You don't need a magnum case to get the 6.5's up around 3k either. Anything case with the capacity equal to or greater than 6.5x284 could reach those velocities without much trouble.

Personally, I would go with a 7saum, 280, 280ai or 7wsm. The bc's on 7mm's are even better than the 6.5's mentioned above, and they will obviously carry more energy onto the target.

Wind deflection is key in long range shooting, not drop. We have laser range finders, and scopes with turrets on them for a reason.
 
I see no reason why you shouldn't get another .270 WSM. I sounds like you are very familiar with its characteristics and capabilities. Find a good platform in that chamber and have fun.
 
Kachok I would also have said to get a 6.5-284. Just simply a accurate long range cartidge and with your stock in bullets all ready . But the old 7mm rem mag over again. Push a 168gr sierra MK at 3100 and drop at 1000 yards is around 24". Very viable 500 to 600 yard rifle. The ole .284 would be a great round but not sure if anyone chambers it today.Atleast with the 7mm would have a better bullet selection to and it easier on the barrel than pushing the 6.5 at faster velocities.
 
Yeah I am torn between the 264s 277s 284s and .30 cals I checked my reloading manual and the difference in trajectory between the 140gr 270 WSM, 150gr 7mm Rem mag, and the 165gr 300 Win mag is so small no sniper would ever notice the difference (6.5-284 was about 120 fps below that catagory). All max out at 3240-3290fps with BC rating from .490 to .496 for my Noslers BTs and ABs. That is a hair splitting difference even at 500 yards. All make 1600+ ft lbs at 500 yd so energy is not an issue at all.
 
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25-06 came in a tad below the magnums, 115gr projectiles max out at just under 3200fps with a .450 range BC. If I were very recoil shy or had to have a featherweight rifle the 25-06 would be a shoe in for my flat shooter, but seeing as I have been shooting magnums for many years and I am looking for a heavy rifle the 25-06 is not topping my list, besides with the MONSTER hogs we have in south Alabama I like something with a little more UMPH, even when I hunt with my 6.5x55 I use hefty high penatration 140gr just in case I run into one of those 600+ pounders.
 
I shoot for deer useing the sst 139gr and i draw the line at 400 yards . To hard to figure if a deer is a doe or little spike or a young butterball, a nice buck is indeed nice. But when I did a rebiuld I did load some 168gr game kings. Darn sure great fliers at the longer distance. Your giveing up to much with a 150gr in the 7mm for the longer shoots. Mine will shoot some factory 138gr hornady inside 2" at 400 yards but the 168gr near 3100fps would half that. And with the way better bullets today up inthe 180gr for the 7mm, makes me want to try some but our nearest looong yardage range closed and I ain't travel'n a half days ride anymore to test.
 
I like 7mm Rem Mags too their 140gr class bullets will match everything my 270 WSM would do with 130s, and the tighter standard twist allows for longer heavier bullets if needed, but they kick MUCH more then the 270 WSM does in light rifles. I don't care what the figures say, I have used both for years and the difference is night and day, my somewhat hefty Rem 700s and model 70 left me black and blue even with a limbsaver pad, my 6lbs Savage 270 WSM with a crappy factory pad was not bad at all. If I find a hefty rifle that I like I might get another belted magnum, but if I change my mind and get another 6lbs Savage or Tikka the 270 WMS is my top pick without a doubt.
 
I made a 516 yard shot in a 40 mph crosswind on an antelope this year with my 257 weatherby and 100 grain factory ammo. Gun is a weatherby s2 and it honestly groups into way under an inch at 100 yards. In my opinion for deer and antelope its a truly awesome long range caliber.
 
what more do you you have to say? .308....proven long range, common cartridge...why go to a round that you cant find at a store...tried and proven the .308 says it all.
 
I like 308s for shooting inside 300 yards, past that their trajectory falls off a little. They have good internal and external ballistics, but I already own a 6.5x55 which does everything the 308 does just slightly better, for deer sized game anyway.
140gr 6.5x55--185gr 308
BC----.612----.549- Burger VLDs
FPS---2790---2718- Max load
Drop---69in----75in- @500 yards
The old Sweed gives up nothing to the new kid on the block as far as external ballistics, though the 308 does have a tad more energy but both are plenty overkill on deer sized game.
I do miss my old 308 though, not the best rifle I have ever shot, but I like the peace of mind knowing that I can always find ammo for it no matter what. Owning a Sweed I have to keep a stockpile of bulk SP ammo, brass and bullets.
270 WSM, 7mm rem mag, and 300 WM all have 18-20 inches less drop at 500 yards that is a pretty big difference in trajectory.
 
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