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NEW RUGER Security Six

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by golden, Sep 25, 2020.

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Would you buy a new Security Six or Speed Six?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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    21.8%
  1. golden

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    I posted several times of how found I am of the RUGER Security Six. I like the new GP-100 in the Match Champion and limited editions with a non-full lugged barrel, but the 6's are still lighter and I feel better balanced.

    I heard that the Six series was more expensive to make than the GP-100, so maybe a limited run like the distributor specials.

    Would anyone else like to see a return, even a limited one of the Security Six and maybe a Speed Six in both 4 and 2 3/4 inch versions (both Speeders should have round butts for concealed carry)? I would recommend stainless for both.

    RUGER could even call it their "CLASSIC EDITIONS".

    Jim
     
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  2. NIGHTLORD40K

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    Not gunna happen. The lockup system and grip frame are totally different and it would require all new tooling for a limited production run.
    Besides- old Six-series never really wear out and finding a clean one isnt difficult if you want one.

    So, no, I wouldnt pay new gun prices when I can find high-condition vintage ones for the same money or less.

    For the record, I do have a Security Six and Im rather fond of it.
     
  3. BBarn

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    I would buy a GP-100 instead.
     
  4. finfanatic

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    I agree...the Sixes feel better in the hand than the GP100s.
     
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  5. shafter

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    One of the finest outdoor 357's IMO. I'd love to see them return, but I doubt it will happen.
     
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  6. bannockburn

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    Probably never going to happen (but I learned a long time ago to never say never), but I would be all over that! I had several Security Sixes (blued and stainless), a couple of Speed Sixes, and a Service Six at various times back in the day. When Ruger discontinued the Six line-up I tried the GP100 but didn't care for the way it felt, balanced, or handled and quickly sold it off. My "everything" .357 is still my S&W Model 686 but I would be more than willing to welcome a few new Security and Speed Six wheelguns into the family!
     
  7. golden

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    Nightlord,

    The idea is that yes the lockwork and frame are different, but if the machinery still exists, it would be a matter of training a new crew and just deciding to do it.

    Jim
     
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  8. BullRunBear

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    I have a Security Six, stainless with 6" barrel and a GP100 with 6" barrel, both used. I prefer the Security Six. But I voted no because I don't think Ruger could make a new SS version for anywhere near the cost of a GP100. The Six is not so much better that it would justify the greater cost to me. Now if the cost was comparable, that would change my vote.

    Of course I could be completely off base. I know Ruger made a bunch of the Six series but seldom see used ones locally. That tells me folks hold onto them. So maybe there is a market even if I'm not part of it.

    Jeff
     
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  9. euclid

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    I think the Security Six is STILL the best balance of weight and strength in a 357 revolver. I would be all over having them reintroduce it.
     
  10. stonebuster

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    No, but not because I don't like them. I bought two nice Speed Sixes this year and both were significantly less money than a new GP100. Prices have spiked in the past few months though. New six series guns would be more money than I'd want to spend and the quality might not be on a par with the old ones. I agree with Nightlord40k
     
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  11. NIGHTLORD40K

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    Ruger has changed their whole production process since the Six guns were discontinued. MIM has replaced many of the old castings and there are no digital production templates for the Security Six. It would not be as simple as just plugging in the old milling machines and going to town......

    Even assuming all the old tooling exists -and I highly doubt it- youre talking about added plant capacity and square footage, additional labor, securing long-lead materials and raw stock, etc, etc.

    Even Colt couldnt build the same old Pythons and sell them at a profit without completely redesigning the gun to meet modern process requirements.

    Could Ruger redesign the Security Six to be a profitable product with todays tech? Sure, but it would lose everything that made it special and distinct from the GP.
     
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  12. Onty

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    Agree! However, others are right, Ruger is not going to make Security Six again. But, they can make another revolver, let call it GP100-SS, with a barrel that has same contour as Security Six. Once I found article stating that many folks like 4.2" GP100 because it has the similar balance to Security Six.
     
  13. golden

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    NIGHTLORD,

    I disagree with your idea that RUGER could not add a new model. They are pretty consistent at doing exactly that and not just more variations on a theme like a 5 inch GP-100 or Match Champion SP-101. The Wrangler, Security 9 and their new 5.7 pistol should prove that.

    Consider your example of the new COLT Python. The Python is really just a re-introduction of the guns they discontinued back in the 1990's.
    The original Python had the 19th century designed action. It was expensive to make. The COLT Trooper MK V, COLT Boa ( a MK V action with a Pythonesqe ventilated rib barrel and is the spitting image of the new Python) were designed for modern production and they are back. COLT is getting a premium penny for every new Python, but what if they re-introduced a working gun like the Trooper MK V? Would it not sell even better than the Python?

    COLT had the MK V series in production. They had a mid-size .357 in the original COLT King Cobra and Trooper MK V. Besides the ventilated rib, how much different is the new Python from the mid-size King Cobra or Mk V Trooper ?

    How different is the new Cobra from my old DS VI?

    If RUGER decides to do this, they can. The real question is there a market for a lighter gun than the GP-100? I think their is. If RUGER wanted to, they could come up with a lighter barrel than the Champion Match, maybe an aluminum alloy full lugged barrel with a stainless steel insert (ala DAN WESSON) and keep all the other features. They only will if we, the gun buyers tell them we would buy it.



    ONTY,

    Sounds like a good idea. I have an old GP-100 fixed sight model which has the half lugged barrel and it balances better for me and is closer to the weight I want. Just add adjustable sights and the CHAMPION MATCH trigger and you have a "NEW SECURITY SIX"!

    Jim
     
  14. Buckeye63

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    Yes ... for sure ...

    S&W has the 686 and reintroduced the 66

    Ruger replaced the Security Six with the GP100
    To me personally.. I wouldn’t trade my Security Six with any GP100 configuration...

    Could you imagine a 2.5 inch barreled new production Speed Six .... Hotcakes
     
  15. golden

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    BUCK,

    I found a very good condition stainless Speed Six with the 2.75 inch barrel and very nice trigger. Once I added PACHMAYR rubber grips, it was a blast to shoot. I have carried it a few times, but would still prefer a 4 inch version as 4 inch barrels are my preferred minimum for the .357 magnum.

    It is also a really NICE LOOKING GUN!

    Jim
     
  16. vickiann

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    I have a Ruger Security 6 in stainless steel myself but my favorite revolver will always be my Ruger SP 101
     
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  17. fastbolt

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    I owned quite a few iterations of the Ruger Security-Six line, going back to when they were first released. Security, Speed & Service models. Blued & stainless. All barrel lengths except for the elusive 3" (made for some Gov contracts).

    They were great handling and shooting, robust revolvers. Maybe not quite so durable as the GP series, which was made to compete with the L-frame, but sufficiently durable for my handloading and shooting needs. My first one was a stainless 4" Security-Six, back in the first year they were available, if I remember correctly.

    I still regret letting a blued 2 3/4" Speed-Six slip away, as well as a couple of the blued & stainless 2 3/4" Security-Six snubs I owned.

    The only one left in my safe is a 4" Service-Six stainless heavy barrel. I had it Duty-Tuned and ported by MagNaPort (but I replaced the lighter spring with a factory spring after the action job, being leery of an occasional hard primer). I also had the regular Service grip frame filed to a Round Butt. It served me for quite a few years as an off-duty weapon, before finally seeing "retirement" to the safe.
     
  18. ThomasT

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    I thought castings and MIM were pretty much in the same league? Sounds like six to one and half a dozen to another.

    I have one Security Six. A 4" blued made in 1986 IIRC. I changed the main spring to a lighter Wolfe Spring I had left from a spring kit and it made a heck of a difference in the way the gun felt. I would buy another if I found a deal on one. But I don't think its a stronger gun than the GP-100s I own. I have read the GPs were built to meet mil-spec for a revolver. Both models are great guns.
     
  19. NIGHTLORD40K

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    Your argument fails to account for the fact that a new Security Six would cost hundreds MORE than a vintage one, of which there are still many around in excellent condition.

    The new Python sells for $1000+ LESS than a vintage one.

    Yes, they could put a half-shroud barrel and adj. sights on a GP100 and call it a Security Six, but without a full grip-frame, it would be a name only. Would I buy one? No.

    Besides, apparently Security guns are automatics now, according to Ruger.......smh.
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  20. golden

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    NIGHTLORD,

    Your arguments are logical, but overlook the fact the COLT, RUGER and S&W are all selling limited edition or retro models for a premium price. The new COLT Python appears to be equal or better than the old Python. It is less likely to have timing problems as the action is a 30 year old design, not a 120 year old design.

    The prices of original Pythons are driven by collectors who buy them and may never even shoot them. I have a COLT Viper and I have seen them going for $4000.00, not the $400.00 I paid.

    Same thing with Diamondbacks and Single Actions, it is not shooters who are driving these prices, but collectors.

    When COLT dropped revolver production, it was not because the guns were bad designs or overpriced, I think that COLT brought them out at exactly the worst possible time. Law enforcement was done with revolvers. Everyone was either buying new 9m.m. or .40 caliber pistols. The market had shrunk a great deal. S&W nearly went out of business and pretty much was saved by its dominance in the small (read J-frame) market. It took mid-size .357 magnums over 20 years to make a comeback. S&W now makes the model 19 again!

    COLT also brought out the new Cobra, King Cobra and King Cobra Target.

    RUGER has brought out the Match Champions in GP-100 and SP-101. All of these pistols have a better trigger than the guns that they are based on. You may come across a GP-100 with a really good trigger, but more likely it will not be as good as the Champions, so I think it can be done. If RUGER brings out a slightly lighter, say another two ounces off the front and has the smooth trigger of the Champions, I will buy one. I am debating now whether to get a Match Champion or COLT King Cobra Target. A Security Six II as I have outlined above would be my first choice.

    Jim
     
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    Hey, sorry if I came off sounding like downer, I just dont think any product they slap the name on will be worthy. But maybe Im wrong- happens all the time! :)
     
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  22. golden

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    Honest disagreement and criticism are never negative and can also often be very useful. You get to see other points of view that you may have missed. Who knows, RUGER honchoes may be reading this right now and debating the issues you raised.

    JIm
     
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  23. Buckeye63

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    I really think before Ruger comes out with a
    New (Six) series.. I think they will reconfigure the SP101 to a six shot .. at least in 38Spl
     
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  24. MikeG

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    I have a Security 6, stainless, 4" barrel that I bought in 1980. It is my favorite and I will keep it for life.
    The S* 6 revolvers were an excellent design, just feel right, and I would buy others if they were reintroduced.
     
  25. sean m

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    I would like to see a 9mm Six or GP to come to market again...

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