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  1. midland man

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    Where are these made, you planning on firing it?
     
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    India and yes I plan on firing it!
     
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    Like to see how you like it,
     
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    Gee and I have my Lyman flinter for sale over in the for sale section for less money and its meant to be fired?
     
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    Alas here in the People's Republic of MAЯYLAИD, by drilling the touch hole I'd be converting a non-firing piece to a firing one, and IF I had my friend the certified gunsmith do it, then I'm paying to convert a non-firing piece to firing condition...., thus I'm liable due to my state's precedence in court, if something happened that wasn't due to operator error.

    I have owned five muskets with parts from India, and I still own four of them and I always buy them ready to shoot.

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    this is from veterens arms in Georgia, http://www.veteranarms.com/ReproductionMuzzleloadersandFlintlocks/FAQs.html please scroll down to the section about proofing! and also this http://www.veteranarms.com/ReproductionMuzzleloadersandFlintlocks/Proofing.html
     
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    and heres a good video on and about these guns!
     
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    so I feel all is fine as I bought my first India made gun from the muzzleloader shop in Arkansas dec, 2018 and I have loaded mine up to a 120grs of 3f goex and roundball with no i'll effects! but I am using 110grs 3f goex and 62cal roundball as my primary load in this shortned fusil de chasse and it shoots just fine with no issues at all!
     
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    Help here, isn't that true no matter were you live.. If I convert a non firing item to firing and it blows up or something like that would I not be liable no matter what state???
     
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    look guys over in India they use metal from junked cars,trucks,busses,like car axles, leaf springs, etc! so these metals are super strong over wrought iron used back 200-250 years ago, so the newer metals the barrels are made out of are strong so I wouldn't worry so much about it now and so basically all you're doing when you buy one that's already has the flash hole drilled is paying someone else to drill a small hole! so this way with access heritage i'm saving quite a bit of money by doing it myself!
     
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    No idea what the litigation would be in other American states. The fact that the seller sells a lot of his muskets to Europe with India made parts, and doesn't drill the touch holes to follow those countries laws, but sells them to allow the end user to convert and shoot (sends directions on how to do it), might make a difference in some states. In Europe, a lot of the countries allow you to own that musket as long as the touch hole isn't drilled, but if it arrives drilled it must also already have a proofing stamp, and if you want to convert it, you drill it and then immediately send it to the proofing house, pay your fee, and get it stamped.

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    so when did the proofing houses shut down here in America?
     
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    Never had any per se.
    Armories in the United States would stamp proofs on black powder arms, but the present proofing system came about in 1914.
    The home nation had to agree to what the commission set as standards in Liege Belgium...and the United States would not be bound by that.

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    well guys the new toy is here and wow what a nice musket! it very nicely made and balanced plus its a tad lighter than my French fusil! I would had taken pics but my phone wouldn't do as good as his pics there on access heritage so if you wanna see what I got the item number is mts-048 but yeah after taking it apart and cleaning and inspecting it I drilled the touch hole and it's got a really thick barrel there in the back! so hopefully tomorrow it isn't raining and i'll get it out to see how she does! p.s. i forgot to mention before I took it apart I did install a flint to see if it sparked good and it sparks very well! ;)
     
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    Will you be doing a proofload?
     
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    Do you need any special tools to drill the vent hole or will a simple drill with the right bit work? I really like the matchlock pistols. matchlockpistol1.jpeg
     
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    i used just a cordless 20v handdrill with two bits as the barrel is dimpled to where to drill so I first started using a 5/64 bit to drill thru and its very thick at the back where I was drilling then I went to a 3/32 bit as I the first gun I bought in dec, 2018 from the muzzleloader shop in Arkansas I checked the flash hole size and it was 3/32 so that's what I based this hole off of for this second trade musket! then I took a much larger bit 7/16 and slightly put a cone to the outside hole so it'll funnel the flash into towards the flash hole! it turned out really good! also today was the first time to take it out and it shot very well! I started out as I use 3f goex and in stages started with 60grs and then stepped it up to 70grs,80grs, and finally to 90grs using roundball .600dia with 10ths lubed patch and it shoots really good so I went to a shot load of #6 shot and 90grs of 3f goex and it shot a nice very nice pattern!
     
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    I thought the old argument was that the Indian muskets were made from hydraulic piping from scrapped out tankers which made them dangerous. But, I also disagree with the charge of price gouging. Indian made muskets are not subjected to the regulation, tax, health insurance, and wage requirements that folks in the US are subjected to. Please think of these things both when you are purchasing and voting.
     
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    midland man

    Congrats on your latest acquisition! The two flintlocks I like the most are the 1806 Baker Rifle and the double barrel pistol (I get that from have watched all of the "Sharpe's" episodes along with original "The Scarlet Pimpernel" with Leslie Howard and Merle Oberon)!
     
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    yep and so far guys I been shooting this one up to 90grs of 3f goex using roundball or shot and zero issues! ;)
     
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    What kind of accuracy are you getting, did you try any shot.
     
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    No thanks. I'd rather turn democrat and not shoot guns! :D :D
     
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    i'm getting very good accuracy and nice shot patterns using 90grs 3f goex on both the shot and roundball loads, 1 1/2oz #6 shot the round balls i'm casting are out of a lee .600dia mould using 10ths lubed patch at 40yrds she'll hold a nice group next to find a spot and try it out to 50yrds.
     
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