New Dragoon

[Das Jaeger]

I stand corrected

SINCE IT WAS THE ONLY REPRO IN THE 3RD MODEL EVER MADE FIGURED THAT WAS A NO BRAINER .

Jaeger

And don't try to tell me COLT BLACK POWDERS was a repro . :banghead:

 

[Ratdog68]

No, not until post #6 does messerist imply that his new Dragoon is made by Uberti.

However... he did ID it as a 3rd model Dragoon first in this post on the 16th.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=5908713&highlight=Dragoon#post5908713

 

[Das Jaeger]

Yeh so take that

you Cremudgeon
Some poeple just got to be right no matter what , me on the other hand could realy give a Ratdodgs butt , and at least admit when I am wrong , or think I am wrong , which is seldome . But I am wrong at times nonetheless . You win today MCB , yeeehaaa , your King for the day , whooo hoo hoo , browny buttons all around .

Jeager

 

[madcratebuilder]

The question was.

What make of Dragoon is this?

Not what model.

SINCE IT WAS THE ONLY REPRO IN THE 3RD MODEL EVER MADE FIGURED THAT WAS A NO BRAINER .

Stop yelling.

Armi San Marco and Uberti both make/made the 3rd model Dragoon. That's not counting the eleven or so versions of the 2nd gen Colt and three versions of the 3rd gen Colt,

This is a unusal ASM.

 

[Ratdog68]

Yum !!! That's a sweet lookin' one !!! Izzat yers? Kinda has that LRE aroma about it, don't it?

 

[Smokin_Gun]

Now that's a Big Colt to my Likin'... ASM made real good Dragoons and Walkers. I have worked on a couple and would buy one in a minute ifin I had the Gold pieces for one...I want that one MCB... :O)

 

[messerist]

Niiiiiiiice. Ditto on the LRE. Took the Dragoon to the range today. Thank God I could shoot sitting down. Leg is still tender. Of course like usual I forgot half the stuff I was gonna need to shoot with including my son's .22LR. I told him to grab his rifle in the hard-side case, which the little guy diligently did. Totally forgetting that I had switched guns in the cases and my SXS coach gun was in his .22LR case. Ok, Dad is a dummy. I think he had more fun shooting the "Dragon" as he calls it, than his .22. Besides he was able to shoot his cousin's 10/22. I also forgot the camera but did have my cell phone so there is a picture of the target. First two cylinders out of the box. Lower group is at 25 yds 40gr. FFFg with a .454 ball. Upper group was with same charge and a .457 ball. Aimpoint was center of mass. Gun shot great! Very crisp trigger and after 10 cylinders fouling was very manageable. I was able to knock down steel pig silhouettes at ranges from 20 to 75 yds! Since my Brother and I brought our kids we had all sorts of target help! Here is a pic of the target. I plan to get out again when I can move better. Thanks for looking and thanks for keeping me company the past couple of days.

 

[madcratebuilder]

That's a sweet lookin' one !!! Izzat yers?

Hopefully it well be in about an hour.

messerist, That looks like a good day at the range, good shooting.

 

[mickdk2]

Good shooting messerist! No problems getting tight groups with that one.

 

[Das Jaeger]

Actually

ASM only made a second model , they just did what everyone else did to the
2nd model , put a third model trigger guard on a second model frame and cylinder . Very few specimens of 3rd Model have the real last edition of the
3rd model Loading lever catch either . You'll notice VTi and Numnutts gunparrts list the ASM parts list for 2nd model only .

This is a true 3rd Mdoel Repro , Uberti . Not a second model with round trigger guard , and wrong catch .



,,, Hey MCB , I aint yelling , I am ranting

Jaeger

 

[Das Jaeger]

Thats an accurate

gun there Messerist , and shooter of course . Wait till you dial that bad boy in , ought to be outstanding . Am guessing your greatfull to have a good trigger pull huh

Jaeger , The Dragoon , what a Horse Pistol it is .

 

[mickdk2]

Look's like a 51 Navy on steroids eh Jaeger?

 

[madcratebuilder]

ASM only made a second model , they just did what everyone else did to the
2nd model , put a third model trigger guard on a second model frame and cylinder . Very few specimens of 3rd Model have the real last edition of the
3rd model Loading lever catch either

Check your black powder Blue Book. ASM, 3rd Model Dragoon. Three versions, #1 Western model has a silver plated back strap, Military model has a steel back strap and Texas model has a brass back strap, discontinued in 2000.
I just acquired a ASM 3rd Model Colt Dragoon military model. That's a mouth full.

The 3rd model has the round trigger guard and a longer trigger vs. 2nd model, everything else is the same. I know of no documentation on a new and improved loading lever latch on the 3rd model. As far as I can see 1st, 2nd and 3rd had the same style latch release.
These did not have the name 1st model, 2nd model etc when Colt made them. The model numbers is something modern collectors has put on them. What we regard as model changes were just improvements as production went along.

This is a true 3rd Mdoel Repro , Uberti . Not a second model with round trigger guard , and wrong catch .

Same latch as a 1st or 2nd model. You sure that photo is not a 3rd gen Colt Dragoon, it's not a Uberti.

 

[messerist]

MCB Good luck on your acquisition quest. I really lucked out on this revolver. I wonder if Uberti has changed their nipple supplier because these take #11s like the Treso Nipples I have on my Walker. The nipples I replaced on the Walker were terrible some 2 took #11s and 4 took #10s! I switched to Treso nipples on the Walker because of advice received here and they work great. I don;t need to replace those on the Dragoon they are just fine.

 

[Das Jaeger]

Pic came off

Uberti Replicas.com , you decide .

Also, notice it has the modern front catch , not the drop catch of the 1st and 2nd models .

Jaeger

See , you don't know everything , even you can learn sometin .

 

[messerist]

Herr Jaeger, My Dragoon has a different loading rod catch than the Dragoon in the photo you posted. Have you any idea why?

 

[Das Jaeger]

Yes I do , it

it is the prior design like MCB stated in the evolution of the Dragoons designs , the first and second model designs . The one in my photo from UbertiReplicas.com is the very last design , and the best , the last 3rd Model .
I was just razzin the Ole boy anywayz , But its obvious he don't know everything , he sure missed that one .
Jeager one , MCB 1,000 , you still King my man Hee hee hee

Cheerios , Das Jaeger

 

[madcratebuilder]

MCB Good luck on your acquisition quest. I really lucked out on this revolver. I wonder if Uberti has changed their nipple supplier because these take #11s like the Treso Nipples I have on my Walker. The nipples I replaced on the Walker were terrible some 2 took #11s and 4 took #10s! I switched to Treso nipples on the Walker because of advice received here and they work great. I don;t need to replace those on the Dragoon they are just fine.

Well I have it on the way, hurry up brown truck!

Nipples seem to be the biggest pita for everyone that shoots c&b. Treso/Ampco are the best, but I can't afford to convert all my revolvers. I do need to buy two new sets for two Remingtons. I have had some sets that #10 is to tight and did not seat and #11 is loose. I would chuck them up and use a file to reshape so a #10 would slide all the way on. My 2nd and 3rd gen Colts are good about nipple fit, the Walkers and Dragoons use #11 and the 51,60,61 and .36 pocket guns use #10's. Pietta's seem to be the most inconstant in size.

Pic came off
Uberti Replicas.com , you decide .

When did Uberti start putting "Colts Patent" on the left side of the frame, not, look at the photo. From the color of the bluing and the stamped name I would say 3rd gen Colt.
Go look at some 1st and 2nd model Dragoons, all have the same latch, replicas or originals. Maybe your thinking about the Walker latch, I guess you could call it a drop catch, single spring that catches the lever just in front of the pivot point. The 'latch' was one of the big improvements on the Dragoons, from the Whitneyville on. Or are you talking about the holster frame style of latch on some newer repro's? Look at the originals all had the same latch.

Be observant grasshopper and you well learn.

 

[Das Jaeger]

Don't be arrogant

and Grasshopper can teach you too MCB .
Go to the Website , then if you still think I am wrong , then all I can say is Bite me and your hard headed .
YOUR WRONG , and I am RIGHT , sorry your having a hard time accepting your not perfect . On the other hand I know your not perfect and your worng on this one , I can accept it just fine .
Sometimes you just can't teach someone that is so BOOK smart they can't accept reality of Street Smart . Still love ya man , and congrats on your new Rifle/revolver

Das Jaeger

 

[madcratebuilder]

The horizontal "Navy-type" loading lever latches (most Dragoons have a vertical latch) is this what got you in a uproar? Sure, some original 3rd models had them. 2nd and 3rd gens do not, Uberti can go either way depending on when made. Can't tell you about the ASM, don't have it my hands yet. I here I thought you were screaming about the Walker style latch or something. I concede they are different, YOU WIN!

 

[Oyeboten]

Should I be embarassed if my supposedly "3rd" Dragoon has a 'wrong' Latch?


I hate faux-pas, especially when I do not know I or my Revolver have made one...

Oye...





'San Marcos'...older...hardly used...but said to be a good reliable Shooter...and...waiting-for-the-Brown-Truck-myself...

 

[messerist]

From your picture Oyeboten and mine our latches look different from the one in the photo Herr Jaeger posted...just curious as to why? before I received my Dragoon this week I had never handled much less seen one so I am truly ignorant as to the changes in the three models Colt made. Not to mention the variations in the replicas

 

[Oyeboten]

Hi messerist, Das Jaeger, madcratebuilder, and anyone else interested,


Well...'School' is in session!


From the image...my 'San Marcos' made example appears to have a Latch which is of a 'Vertical' way, verses, a 'Horizontal' way of the one shown in Das Jaeger's "Uberti" example in his image-posting.



This 'latch' issue is entirely new to me.


Now...what is up with this then?


Did "3rd Dragoons" have more than one Latch type in their day?


Or, does this represent liberties taken by modern makers?



"Colt" made 3rd Dragoon, 2nd Generation, having a 'Vertical' looking Latch ( about as my 'San Marcos' one does) -






Also...what then IS the difference between the Frames and Cylinders of the Colt 2nd and 3rd Dragoons, originally? Or, now-a-days made?

 

[Oyeboten]

Image showing an original 2nd Dragoon -





Image showing an original 3rd Dragoon, being a close-up of the Latch -






Image showing an original 3rd Dragoon, being a close-up of the Frame -

 

[SHIPCHIEF]

My middle 70's vintage ASM 2nd model Dragoon has the horizontal latch.
It's a tight old cannon, with a good trigger too.
But when I touch her off with 'full house' loads, she sometimes unlatches the lever! Maybe it needs a new spring? Where do I get one?