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That’s a nice looking press
New turret press under development with 3/4/5/6 configuration turrets
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< Unboxing of press and start of review - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...iguration-turrets.926488/page-6#post-12841201 >
As well demonstrated and documented, "Open Source" approach to various computer operating systems (OS) like Free BSD and Linux distributions, has produced faster product development and improvement cycles over proprietary OS development to where increasing number of companies like Apple (for OS X and newer) are utilizing "Open Source" approach.
The Ultimate Turret Press (UTP) and other recent Lee Precision product development (Like stepped "M" style powder through expander, inline bullet feeder die with rotary magazine, gated 5 tube case feeder, Deluxe PPM, Deluxe Auto Drum, Deluxe APP, Six Pack Pro, 2023 Pro 1000 and latest Super Tray, etc.) are the result of Lee Precision responding to expressed customer needs/wants on forums like THR with active collaboration through beta/product testing feedback.
So the UTP is not the result of "We made a press ... Buy our press, as is" approach rather "What do you want in a press? ... We built a press to meet your needs/wants" approach.
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Lee Precision has embraced the "Open Source" approach to product development with "Real Time" collaboration with customers/end users to develop and improve their product lines.
As well demonstrated and documented, "Open Source" approach to various computer operating systems (OS) like Free BSD and Linux distributions, has produced faster product development and improvement cycles over proprietary OS development to where increasing number of companies like Apple (for OS X and newer) are utilizing "Open Source" approach.
The Ultimate Turret Press (UTP) and other recent Lee Precision product development (Like stepped "M" style powder through expander, inline bullet feeder die with rotary magazine, gated 5 tube case feeder, Deluxe PPM, Deluxe Auto Drum, Deluxe APP, Six Pack Pro, 2023 Pro 1000 and latest Super Tray, etc.) are the result of Lee Precision responding to expressed customer needs/wants on forums like THR with active collaboration through beta/product testing feedback.
So the UTP is not the result of "We made a press ... Buy our press, as is" approach rather "What do you want in a press? ... We built a press to meet your needs/wants" approach.
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I am curious, Lee suggests STP or grease to lubricate the turret, which do you suggest?
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Press documentation recommends STP, Vasoline or grease to lubricate the turret (30 weight motor oil or STP on all other parts).
I have grease on hand so that's what I am planning to use on the turret (I have 10-40w full synthetic motor oil in plastic dropper so that's what I will use on all other press parts).
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Can the old breech lock bushings be used on this press? They were for the single stage press.
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Yes, original breech lock bushing (Without lock ring) would work with any Lee "breech lock" press but you would need to use either O-ring lock ring or Ultimate bolt locking ring - https://leeprecision.com/search?q=lock+ringCan the old breech lock bushings be used on this press? They were for the single stage press.
Lee Precision, Inc.. Breech Lock Quick Change Bushings
Pack of (2) Breech Lock Quick Change Bushings. Allows instant, accurate die changes. Perfect with Lee Lock Rings
Instead of having to use lock ring with breech lock bushing, Lee decided to incorporate O-ring lock ring to each bushing (Color coding added later to quickly identify type/use of die):
- Smart Lock bushing - Has O-ring lock ring built-in - https://leeprecision.com/ez-set-spline-drive-breech-lock-bushing-4-pack
(Absolute case of customers screaming driving manufacture to listen and produce requested product ):- Locking bushing - Has bolt to lock die setting on bushing - https://leeprecision.com/lock-ring-elim-4-pack
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Continued from post #149 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-6-configuration-turrets.926488/post-12841201
= Disassembly of Ultimate Turret Press - Swapping out Tool Carrier/Turret =
Hold down bolt with O-ring holds index rod in place
Removing the index rod and three hex retainer ring bolts loosen ring and tool carrier/turret
Once ring is unbolted, tool carrier/turret drops out freely
Tool carrier/turret slides around "bearing plate" on top of tool caddy/Safety Primer mount (If you are just swapping out 3/4/5/6 hole tool carrier/turret, you can stop here. Recommended lubricants are STP, Vaseline or grease)
Bearing plate can only go in one way so no worries.
And this is the extent of "normal use" disassembly (Next post covers removal of shellholder retainer/index mechanism/detent pin). Reassembly is reverse of disassembly and UTP instructions recommend using STP, Vasoline or grease on bottom of turret for lubrication (STP or 30 weight motor oil on everything else). NOTE: Before tightening the 3 hex ring bolts, I did raise the ram so detent pin was through the tool carrier/turret hole.
Picture of shell holder retainer with detent pin
Close up showing black nylon retainer that holds shell holder but allow rotation for case ejection (Shell holder opening must face direction of arrow)
= Disassembly of Ultimate Turret Press - Swapping out Tool Carrier/Turret =
Hold down bolt with O-ring holds index rod in place
Removing the index rod and three hex retainer ring bolts loosen ring and tool carrier/turret
Once ring is unbolted, tool carrier/turret drops out freely
Tool carrier/turret slides around "bearing plate" on top of tool caddy/Safety Primer mount (If you are just swapping out 3/4/5/6 hole tool carrier/turret, you can stop here. Recommended lubricants are STP, Vaseline or grease)
Bearing plate can only go in one way so no worries.
And this is the extent of "normal use" disassembly (Next post covers removal of shellholder retainer/index mechanism/detent pin). Reassembly is reverse of disassembly and UTP instructions recommend using STP, Vasoline or grease on bottom of turret for lubrication (STP or 30 weight motor oil on everything else). NOTE: Before tightening the 3 hex ring bolts, I did raise the ram so detent pin was through the tool carrier/turret hole.
"[E] When re-installing the index rod, orientation of the ejector is correct when the ejector tail aligns with the tab on the index rod."
Continuing with disassembly
Picture of shell holder retainer with detent pin
Close up showing black nylon retainer that holds shell holder but allow rotation for case ejection (Shell holder opening must face direction of arrow)
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"Disassembly of Ultimate Turret Press - Swapping out Tool Carrier/Turret" continued from post #157 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...iguration-turrets.926488/page-7#post-12841660
To remove shell holder retainer/detent pin/index/ramp assembly, insert a flathead screwdriver into ram slot and pry up
Bottom side showing index mechanism
Exploded shot of disassembled press
= To use as single stage press =
[ETA: While instructions says to use a Phillips head screwdriver to remove the detent pin, I found it is not threaded rather pressed in and several attempts to remove the pin was unsuccessful. I will send Calvin an email]
Using a Phillips head screwdriver to remove the detent pin was a "no go". For now, I recommend simply removing the index rod to use the press in single stage mode.
To remove shell holder retainer/detent pin/index/ramp assembly, insert a flathead screwdriver into ram slot and pry up
Bottom side showing index mechanism
Exploded shot of disassembled press
= To use as single stage press =
[ETA: While instructions says to use a Phillips head screwdriver to remove the detent pin, I found it is not threaded rather pressed in and several attempts to remove the pin was unsuccessful. I will send Calvin an email]
- Remove index rod
- Remove detent pin by unscrewing from underside using Phillips head screwdriver
- Drop detent pin upside down at 4 o'clock hole to hold tool carrier/turret
Using a Phillips head screwdriver to remove the detent pin was a "no go". For now, I recommend simply removing the index rod to use the press in single stage mode.
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Nice looking press! A lot going on there for sure.
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[ETA: Better solution discussed in post #165 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...iguration-turrets.926488/page-7#post-12842326]
Came up with a proof of concept solution that I will forward to Calvin which involves a bracket that mounts under the ring bolt (Installation would be done with detent pin holding the tool carrier/turret) and drop in pin would hold the tool carrier/turret steady for single stage mode operation.
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Mine works a lot better since I took the carrier out dropped a couple pieces of #7.5 shot under it and reinstalled itMy Lyman 8 or 7 (so many holes) is hard to beat! except the priming system
but I would love to see a Rock Chucker size Turret press.
You won’t be able to turn the turret without removing your bracket and the detent pin that you couldn’t remove will hit the bolt on the way up. Can’t you grab the detent pin with a pliers and unscrew the philps screw?
How can the turret rotate with the detent sticking through the slot of the plate below the turret?
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GREAT photos @LiveLife!!! Thanks for all of the information and all your hard work!!! It's appreciated!!!
God Bless!!!
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Good morning.
UPDATE to "To use as single stage press" - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...iguration-turrets.926488/page-7#post-12841668
Late reply ... Been busy with drill and diamond files even before morning coffee. Yes, you are correct and I am in agreement (Updated my previous post).
There is a slot cut out in the "bearing plate" the detent pin goes through to hold the tool carrier/turret. After looking at the tool caddy/Safety Primer holder, I noticed two open boxes built into underside and decided to duplicate the slot at 11 o'clock hole so I didn't have to drill through tool caddy.
Detent pin measured 13/64" (.203") so I used 3/16" (.185") drill bit to make the initial hole and used diamond files to finish the slot shape. So dropping 13/64" pin/bolt would now hold the tool carrier/turret with bearing plate slot when index rod is removed (And we don't have to fuss with removing hard pressed in detent pin that I was not able to take out even when clamped into the vise with me pulling/hammering).
I already sent Calvin an email about this issue and will wait to hear back.
Bearing plate with factory slot to the right and DIY slot I drilled/filed on the left
There are two open boxes under the bearing plate so I didn't have to drill through tool caddy
And final proof of concept DIY solution (I used a hex bolt at 11 o'clock position for demonstration but 13/64" pin would need to be used) to hold tool carrier/turret for single stage mode use without having to mess with removing the detent pin.
ETA: Using 13/64" drill bit holds the tool carrier/turret steady like the detent pin
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My press came yesterday, mounted it to one of my benches that had 2 holes that lined up with the base then lubed where needed. Put it back together and cycled some brass around all the stations.
The primer drop tube rubs on the press linkage and starts to walk the tube off the nipple, The tube stayed on ok but not sure it would stay on longer use, so put a 18 MM spring hose clamp on over the drop tube and nipple.
Another thing I found is the shell holders I have (mostly RCBS) slip around on top the ram so they lose the alignment for the case eject. I put a 5/8 ID 13/16 OD 3/32 section o-ring on the ram under the retainer, seems to help.
I am waiting on my Inline fabrication quick mount plate before I start reloading. I think this will be a good press already ordered 4 and 6 hole turrets.
The primer drop tube rubs on the press linkage and starts to walk the tube off the nipple, The tube stayed on ok but not sure it would stay on longer use, so put a 18 MM spring hose clamp on over the drop tube and nipple.
Another thing I found is the shell holders I have (mostly RCBS) slip around on top the ram so they lose the alignment for the case eject. I put a 5/8 ID 13/16 OD 3/32 section o-ring on the ram under the retainer, seems to help.
I am waiting on my Inline fabrication quick mount plate before I start reloading. I think this will be a good press already ordered 4 and 6 hole turrets.
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Congrats!
As tube end conforms around the bottom ram nipple, tube will end up just flexing with linkage operation instead of walking off.
It's like that on all the presses using the same ram/linkage due to newness of tube (Classic Cast Turret, Classic Cast Single/.50 BMG, Six Pack Pro and now Ultimate Turret Press).
As tube end conforms around the bottom ram nipple, tube will end up just flexing with linkage operation instead of walking off.
It won't. Mine seems to come off within about 50 rounds
I started with by putting a zip tie on the hose on my Classic Cast single stage...works okay unless I move the press off the bench.
I'm going to try the Spring Hose Clamp on my CC Single and my SPP...thanks for the idea
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Wonder if using hair dryer/heat gun to put a bend/radius then cooling in cold water to set the bend/radius would help?
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I sent Calvin an email regarding primer collection tube "walking" off the ram nipple.
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This is the type of clamp I used.
Yup, those are the ones i found on Amazon Comes in Silver, Golden ($0.10 less), or Black ($2more)
80pcs -7mm, 9mm, 10mm, 11mm, 14mm, 16mm, 17mm, and 18mm...for $10 ($0.12/count)
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I went with the golden, same kit I bet
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This is what I have so far ... Taking a break to hear back from Calvin on several emails. (I tell you, this is full transparency of "Open Source" collaboration with customers/end users in "real time")
Press Set Up:
Press Disassembly/Reassembly and Swapping out 3/4/5/6 station Tool carrier/Turret:
Single Stage mode operation:
Troubleshooting and Solutions:
Beta testing/Product development:
Lee Precision Update Parts/New Products:
Press Set Up:
- Press mounting and initial set up
- Press lubrication
- UTP size comparison to Six Pack Pro
- Spline Drive Breech Lock bushings
Press Disassembly/Reassembly and Swapping out 3/4/5/6 station Tool carrier/Turret:
Single Stage mode operation:
- Removing shell holder retainer/detent pin/index/ramp assembly
- Single Stage mode operation < Pending. See "DIY modification" >
Troubleshooting and Solutions:
- Primer collector tube walking off ram nipple < Pending >
Beta testing/Product development:
Lee Precision Update Parts/New Products:
- < Pending >
I have a silly question why do you have to fiddle with the detent pin or drill holes when using without the indexer. Can't you simply pump the handle up and down, doesn't seem like there is any thing that would move the turret durring any operation. Assuming the index rod is removed. Every time the ram goes up the detent pin would align the turret. What are you and Lee getting at or trying to achieve?
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