New York to monitor diabetics

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What about people with acne? hemmoroids? chronic hangnails? The ultimate nanny state comes to the Empire State.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10470060/

NEW YORK - Hoping to save hundreds of lives, New York adopted a health code regulation Wednesday that will make it the first American city to keep track of people with diabetes in much the same way it does with patients infected with HIV or tuberculosis.

The city will occasionally use its database to prod diabetics to take better care of themselves.

The policy breaks new ground because it involves the collection of information about people who have a disease that is neither contagious nor caused by an environmental toxin. It has also raised privacy concerns in some quarters.

New York's health commissioner, Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, said the program's potential to save thousands of lives outweighs what it gives up in medical privacy.

"We will ensure that the utmost care will be taken to keep people's information protected," he said.

Under a revised city code passed by the Board of Health, most medical laboratories in New York will be required to electronically forward the results of thousands of blood-sugar tests to the city Health Department, which will then analyze the data to identify people having trouble controlling their diabetes.

Some patients might then get letters or phone calls from their doctors, prodding them to take medication, come in more frequently for checkups, or change their diet.

Diabetes is the fourth-leading cause of death in the city, but people who aggressively monitor their condition are less likely to develop fatal or debilitating symptoms, including blindness, kidney failure and heart problems.

When it was first proposed last summer, the program was greeted with a mixture of excitement and trepidation.

The American Diabetes Association said it thought the surveillance program could be of great value to patients and doctors, but also said the city should ask each person for permission before collecting and analyzing their blood tests.

Frieden said people skittish about their privacy will be allowed to opt out of the program. Details on how that would work, however, are still being developed.

New York's first use of such a health registry came in the late 19th century as part of a battle against an epidemic of tuberculosis. Since then, the list of illnesses reported to city officials has steadily expanded, but still consists mostly of contagious illnesses or ones with an environmental cause, like food poisoning.

Frieden said diabetes' status as a leading killer made it just as important to watch as any contagious disease.

Diabetes killed 1,891 New Yorkers in 2003, the last year for which figures were available.
 
If they are tracking and prodding people who are using socialized medicine, then more power to them. People on socialized medicine such as Medicair and Medicaid should be highly encouraged to lead a healthier life-style. Says who? Me and my tax dollars that are paying for it. :cuss:

For those that pay for their own medical care and otherwise are responsible for themselves, they should tell NY State to, "take a hike."
 
Horse hockey

What the hell happened to the right to privacy in this country?

I can understand a person with a highly contagious disease having to be quarantined, I really can as it effects the public health. But someone who has a disease that effects no one else? Well up yours I would move and take my tax dollars with me.
 
Fly320s,

Well, by your logic, it should apply to you too, since the facilities needed to take care of your poor health, even if you pay for your own medical care, are likely subsidized by tax dollars.

Your position is no different than those gun owners who don't care if the .gov bans EBRs, handguns, etc., because it doesn't affect the guns used in your particular sport. These intrusions diminish us all!
 
Hmmmm...As a diabetic I already hate going to the doctor. Something like this would make me NOT go at all.

I fully expect my diabetes to get the best of me prematurely, but I've had it for 26 years and I'm still pretty damn healthy. I see the doctor once a year so I can get my prescription renewed. If I go more often than that he always tries monkeying around with my meds and I end up feeling like ????. Only >I< know how to take care of myself. Screw the gov. and their ideas of my healthcare.
 
The other thing to remember Fly320 is that everyone will be using Medicare when they turn 65, pretty much whether they want to or not.

Most insurance requires people to use Medicare as primary after they reach 65.
 
Fly320s said:
If they are tracking and prodding people who are using socialized medicine, then more power to them. People on socialized medicine such as Medicair and Medicaid should be highly encouraged to lead a healthier life-style. Says who? Me and my tax dollars that are paying for it. :cuss:

For those that pay for their own medical care and otherwise are responsible for themselves, they should tell NY State to, "take a hike."

Hey, me and my insurance dollars are paying for your lifestyle choices, bub. If you get sick, my rates go up. So please take the time to fill out the following questionnaire:
a. do you smoke, use drugs, or drink alcohol?
b. are you overweight?
c. do you have a sedentary lifestyle?
d. do you engage in risky sexual behavior?
If you answer 'yes' to any of the above questions, you can expect a visit from the Health Police some night this week ;)
 
F*** them.

That's about as High Road as I can be.

As a diabetic, I find this to be an outrage. As an American citizen, I still find this to be an outrage.

There is no way they are tracking my health for me. Just because some fat guy who hasn't been to the doctor in 10 years is at risk of death, doesn't mean I should be monitored. I can take care of myself, I don't ned the gov't doing it for me.
 
If I paid taxes there, I'd be outraged, too ... hell, this sounds outrageous to me, and I'll never even visit NYC again ...

NYC can't even keep track of all the HIV and hepatitus-C patients or positives running around ... only 80,000 or so AIDS death in NYC since 1981, with an estimated 15,000 to 30,000 New Yorkers currently HIV positive who are unaware of their HIV-positive status ...

Diabetes ... a non-transmittable diseases ... conscientious patients who normally maintain their treatment ...

HIV, hep-C ... highly transmittable disease spread through drug abuse, promiscuous sex ... often unknowingly, by patients uninterested or unable to maintain a treatment regimen ...

So NYC's health gurus want to track diabetics. Perhaps this is because jobs will be easier to justify -- as it'll be a lot easier tracking people who want to get better than trying to track diseases spread in large part by people who often live on the fringes of society ... yep, the city's Health Commissioner will really look like he's saving lives for a change ...
 
Fly320s said:
If they are tracking and prodding people who are using socialized medicine, then more power to them. People on socialized medicine such as Medicair and Medicaid should be highly encouraged to lead a healthier life-style. Says who? Me and my tax dollars that are paying for it. :cuss:

For those that pay for their own medical care and otherwise are responsible for themselves, they should tell NY State to, "take a hike."


I pay every mo for my Medicaid, Medicair its deducted from my Social Security Check. I pay more than I did when I worked and have far less coverage. Maybe you should pay higher taxes so I can get better health care.
 
antsi said:
Hey, me and my insurance dollars are paying for your lifestyle choices, bub. If you get sick, my rates go up. So please take the time to fill out the following questionnaire:
a. do you smoke, use drugs, or drink alcohol?
b. are you overweight?
c. do you have a sedentary lifestyle?
d. do you engage in risky sexual behavior?
If you answer 'yes' to any of the above questions, you can expect a visit from the Health Police some night this week ;)

Can we re-schedule the time the Health Police will come to drag me away? All this week I will be engaging in D for hours after loads of A mixed with C causing me to be B. :neener:
 
SomeKid said:
Can we re-schedule the time the Health Police will come to drag me away? All this week I will be engaging in D for hours after loads of A mixed with C causing me to be B. :neener:

Yeah, but lots of D disqualifies you from being C
 
rick_reno said:
NEW YORK - Hoping to save hundreds of lives, New York adopted a health code regulation Wednesday that will make it the first American city to keep track of people with diabetes in much the same way it does with patients infected with HIV or tuberculosis.

They try to track those patients due to the fact that those deseases are communicable, not for any other reason. The idea of tracking diabetic patients is ridiculous. They are adults, let them make their own choices!

Diabetes killed 1,891 New Yorkers in 2003, the last year for which figures were available.

What's the population of New York? Per google search, I got this number: 18,976,457. That means less than .01% died from diabetes last year. So they want to ignore an individual's right to privacy, their right to think for themselves, and the right to control their own lives for something that unregulated only kills less than .01%?

Here's an idea...why don't they track CRIMINALS????? :eek:

Tom
 
This has been brewing for sometime, every Clinical Lab in NY (or tests patients from there) that I am aware of said "NO"... NYCDOH does many things that are ahem questionable. By the way this will affect ANYONE that lives in NYC and gets a hemoglobin A1C test, all results are reportable.


Normal NY state residences are not affected by this at present.


http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/diabetes/diabetes-presentation-a1c-registry.pdf

for a 34 page PDF with some info on this %^$% reg.

Frieden said people skittish about their privacy will be allowed to opt out of the program. Details on how that would work, however, are still being developed.
THIS ISOT GOING TO HAPPEN, LIVE IN NYC GET AN A1C TEST, THE GOV WILL KNOW
 
Boy i wish they could just keep there nose out of my Bizz ... Im diabetic but none of there damn biz or anyone elses i keep it under control with pills as long as dr is happy there isnt a problem
 
So, do they distinguish at all between different types of diabetes, or would I get a card in the mail reminding me of low-carb foods, of which I don't have to keep my diet to being a Type I?
 
ah, government officials with too much budget.

don't get me wrong, i am highly in favor of diabetics taking better care of themselves - it's my understanding that 20% of health care costs in the us are a direct result of diabetics who fail to follow best practices.
 
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