NMGonzo
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My 380 will release the slide by simply inserting the magazine.
Newbie question - close slide by racking or by pressing slide stop
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Zerodefect
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"Tap, Rack, bang." Deosn't mention a slide stop. LOLz. I have found that useing the slide stop lever is slightly more likely to jam the gun than the overhand racking of the slide.
gc70
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I don't understand this; could you provide more explanation?
LiveLife
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Drail, I am so sorry that I misread your post.:banghead: It was early in the morning and I was still waking up. Sincere apology ... PM sent.
I deleted the mis-quoted post.
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LiveLife
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This applies to malfunctions with slide already forward or partially recoiled back and actuating the slide stop/lock would have no affect - you would have to pull the slide back with your non-shooting hand.
bds, no problem. You should see me in the morning. For what it's worth, I am a BIG fan of Todd Jarrett. I remember seeing him at the USPSA National matches back in the Dark Ages before he got "famous". I was sure he was going to make it big and he's a hell of a nice guy also. Almost all of the top competitors I have had the pleasure to meet were first class guys who were more than willing to answer questions and help the new guys. Good luck to you.
orionengnr
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Well, I read the first page, but I'm not going to read five pages. 
I use the slide release on all of my semi-autos. Works on my Ruger MkIIs, works on my Kahrs, works on my 1911s.
Works on my GF's XD, worked on my Glocks (when I had them).
Old dogs/new tricks, leopards and their spots, etc...I'll stick with what has worked for me for aboy 40 years.
You may do what you like.
I use the slide release on all of my semi-autos. Works on my Ruger MkIIs, works on my Kahrs, works on my 1911s.
Works on my GF's XD, worked on my Glocks (when I had them).
Old dogs/new tricks, leopards and their spots, etc...I'll stick with what has worked for me for aboy 40 years.
You may do what you like.
Here take a look at this please, it might help to explain a lot of things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfyULpEhmug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfyULpEhmug
It's been my experience that the slide has noticeably less force coming forward when released by the slide stop/release compared to the slingshot/racking technique. It's a result of the fact that pulling the slide back to clear the slide stop compresses the spring a bit more which results in more force pushing the slide forward when it's released.
This is most apparent on the first round of a fully loaded magazine and gets worse as the gun gets dirtier.
In one case I shot a very large number of rounds through a Ruger P95 in a single session. It finally started jamming on the first round out of a full magazine when the slide was dropped with the lever but was still 100% reliable if the slingshot/racking technique was used to drop the slide.
Gunfighter123
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Shawn ---- I THINK you must be jokeing !!!!!
Todd is doing a demo for one thing. In the video link posted by Reaper , it shows Clint Smith TALKING/LOOKING at the camera !!!! Where is his Tactical visual focus at that time ???????
Put a "blindfold" on Todd and I will place my money on him against most anybody else WHO ARE ALSO BLINDFOLDED at anything shooting related.
As to your statement " Combative techniques emphasize reliability in an uncontrolled environment and quickness." Are these Techniques learned ONLY in Combat or are they learned/TAUGHT in a CONTROLLED environment ???
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The Lone Haranguer
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Yes, "fine motor skills" do degrade under stress, but if you can't depress a slide stop, how do you manage to wipe off safeties, let alone pull triggers?
LiveLife
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Nice. I follow Gunsite and Thunder Ranch training methods.
They are very good source for combat tactical training.
REAPER4206969
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There is a reason why most modern handguns don't have manual safeties.
Most won't do that well either.
Shawn Dodson
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Exactly! He’s demonstrating a specific, preplanned corrective action for a known, inserted stoppage. In his shooting regimen he has the luxury of shifting his focus to his gun, to decrease the amount of time needed to manipulate it (speed), because he has no uncontrolled danger to continuously monitor and react to.
As I didn’t address the Clint Smith video I don’t know what your point is?
The point is, the situation is different when one encounters a spontaneous, unknown stoppage.
They are positive actions that can be performed on demand, quickly with reliable results.
RobMoore
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Speed is a tactic. Better to get the reload done in short order and be able to fight again, than to have your eyes focused in the threat area as you fumble to complete the reload by feel with your decreased dexterity. You can't hurt the threat with your eyes. You need to get your gun back up.
eddism
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Expensive pistols for a first time purchaser. 9X19mm is cheap and available. I'd get the instruction from a qualified instructor. There you will get first-hand advise and real-time experience. It is well worth the small price to have a few lessons and learn correct use of a pistol. Then to make a simple mistake that could cost you dearly.
I perfer overhand racking. The later will cause problems line jamming.
I perfer overhand racking. The later will cause problems line jamming.
Shawn Dodson
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You're in darkness. You're under attack. You press the trigger and your gun doesn't fire. You reflexively Tap, Roll & Rack. You experience a serial misfire. Do you have to move NOW or do you have time to clear the stoppage? Can you visually diagnose whether you’ve fired your gun to slide lock or whether you’ve experienced a failure to extract? Do you perform a Combat Reload or do you clear a doublefeed? LOOK OUT! TACTICAL INTERRUPT! You have to move NOW to keep the bad guy from outmaneuvering you. Can you perform your manipulations on the move, in the dark? Do you release the slide lock or do you retract and release the slide? Which technique promotes the illusion of “speed” but adds to your mental load? Which technique can quickly get the gun running with less conscious effort while you’re on the move without the need to look at the gun?
RobMoore
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Cool story.
The slide-catch requires less of my mental focus to activate than either the slingshot or the overhand.
The slide-catch requires less of my mental focus to activate than either the slingshot or the overhand.
The Lone Haranguer
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It is possible under stress to fumble a slide rack, too - i.e., insufficient grasp and tug to pull it to the rear, inadvertently "riding" it forward, etc.
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Shawn Dodson
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Exactly! Releasing the slide lock after seating the magazine requires less decision-making and works equally well for quickly clearing a failure to extract (when the slide is in battery) as it does for quickly performing a Combat Reload (when the slide is probably locked open).
1SOW
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Untue statement. Many of us knew 'them'. Their names were preceded by "A"SGT, Firearms Instructor, U.S."Mil Org", Many different names.
What you practice consistently is what you'll tend to revert to under stress.
Make your own choices.
Do what's best for you and your gun in your situation.
Learn to do everything more than one way.
Smooth is fast.
The OP ought to be rewarded.
It's nice to be sure "your" way is "the way".
OP has a Beretta which I would not recommend over-handing due to the location of the safety...which has already been mentioned but apparently ignored by some here. IN any event, he can try both ways under simulated stress such as a timer and see how that works out for him.
Point two that remains conveniently unanswered is how one can be expected to have the dexterity to operate the magazine release...under stress and all.
Fact is there are many "gurus" out there who promote different methods.
OP has a Beretta which I would not recommend over-handing due to the location of the safety...which has already been mentioned but apparently ignored by some here. IN any event, he can try both ways under simulated stress such as a timer and see how that works out for him.
Point two that remains conveniently unanswered is how one can be expected to have the dexterity to operate the magazine release...under stress and all.
Fact is there are many "gurus" out there who promote different methods.
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