NM ccw laws? (TX non-resident chl holder)

[clber lane]

I will soon receive my non-resident TX chl (concealed HG license) but am a resident of NM. I was wondering if anyone has a good link to the laws when/where i can cc here. one difference i HAVE discovered is that i can't carry if alcohol is sold for consumption on premises (restaurant for ex.). in TX, u CAn carry as long as >51% of profits come from alcohol consumption on premises (bars, of course but restaurants ok)
and, before u ask, i was dumb and regret going for the non-resident. reason=went thru course with parents (quality time...haha). thanks in advance for any help!!

 

[Pilgrim]

Why don't you get a NM CCW license?

Pilgrim

 

[clber lane]

I just completed the training last month and paid the fees...just waiting on background check now. I am not excited about going through the process again this soon. I think I found what I'm looking for, but it doesn't seem very thorough after glancing at it:
http://www.dps.nm.org/lawEnforcement/ccw/docs/completeAct05.pdf

 

[NavyLCDR]

http://www.conwaygreene.com/nmsu/lp...mplates&fn=document-frame.htm&2.0#JD_Ch30Art7

and

http://www.conwaygreene.com/nmsu/lp...plates&fn=document-frame.htm&2.0#JD_Ch29Art19

Believe it or not, GOOGLE does work.

 

[GerryM]

see here

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

 

[SMLE]

I thought Texas wouldn't issue non-resident licenses to folks from States that issue a CHL that Texas honors. I was going to get a Texas CHL at one point, but then Tx. started honoring the NM CHL.

 

[clber lane]

well, i hope that's not the case. no one i've talked to has mentioned that being an issue. i even called the # in Austin on the appl., and the girl (after asking someone else and after realizing i said NEW mexico) said i just need to include a color copy of my NM DL. i'll know in a couple of months, i guess. thanks for all the responses

 

[mfcmb]

As a recent NM concealed carry licensee I did as exhaustive a study as I could to find all the applicable laws and compiled a set of notes. I've attached them as a PDF file to this post. Note that these notes were written in my own peculiar shorthand, and I didn't include laws that don't apply to me; so this is not comprehensive. On the other hand it's a pretty good collection to get you started with, and most or all of my notes reference the laws they came from, so you'll have pointers to the sources.

It SHOULD go without saying, but just in case: I'm sharing my personal notes as a public service. There are no guarantees or warranties as to completeness, correctness or anything else. They are offered as is, for information only. They do not constitute legal advice, etc. If someone finds them helpful then great, I'm happy to share. If anyone doesn't like them there's a simple solution: delete them, pretend you never saw them and go look for a more satisfactory source of info.

Hope these help,
Bill

 

[NavyLCDR]

Bill,

He's not trying to get a NM license. He is trying to get a Texas non-resident license. However, if he does get his Texas license and is in NM he will still have to follow the NM laws.

 

[calaverasslim]

To answer your question about carry in a resturant that sell alcahol, yes you can.

There is no open carry in TX, all must be concealed.

However, unless there is a "51" sign on the door or in the vestibul the you may carry. However, there a some businesses with signs on the door that prohibit the carry of firearms and the even though the sign is not in accordance with the state mandated sign, you need to obey.

Hope this helps

 

[Prince Yamato]

I'm going to be honest here:

I'm reading the PDF file for your gun laws... your CCW laws stink. You basically can't carry in any restaurant except for fast food places (all the "good" restaurants will have a liquor license). You can't carry on school property at all... You can open carry, but honestly, the restrictions are still similar.

 

[mfcmb]

NavyLT: Yes he's getting a TX license, but he's an NM resident and it looked to me like he was asking for the NM laws.

Prince Yamato: Stinky or not, they're the laws I have to follow. Most of the NM gun law violations are felonies, and NM has a mandatory 1 year minimum prison sentence for any gun law violation, so it behooves one to be knowledgeable and mindful.

 

[Steve Raacke]

I'm reading the PDF file for your gun laws... your CCW laws stink. You basically can't carry in any restaurant except for fast food places (all the "good" restaurants will have a liquor license). You can't carry on school property at all... You can open carry, but honestly, the restrictions are still similar.

That's pretty much the way it is in Louisiana too.

 

[clber lane]

to clarify....I AM waiting for TX non-resident license and was looking for help with NM laws so that I can follow the rules here. sorry for any confusion...

everyone, thanks for the help/links and the PDF file and dont worry...i won't hold you responsible for any info provided in your summary haha.

 

[CliffH]

If you plan to travel to a state other than TX, make sure to check into whether or not that state will honor your non-resident TX license.

Right now, I have an AZ non-resident CCW permit and am a TX resident. I can not carry concealed when visiting my family in KY. Last I checked, KY won't recognize any non-resident permit, there may be other states that won't.

 

[clber lane]

yeah, i checked into that before going thru the process. the only state that I might visit that won't accept non-resident is CO, but I would only be there for skiing anyway. AZ and (obviously) NM recognize it.

 

[biblefreak]

You may want to check the Texas DPS website for licensing info. I am fairly certain that Texas will not issue a Non-Resident permit to somebody in a state that issues their own permits. Calling and speaking to somebody is well and good, but they may have been mistaken and given you poor information.
Best bet is LEAVE NM!! Move to the Great State of Texas and live happily ever after.
Second best bet is get a NM license and be done with it!!

Justin

 

[RobXD9]

clberlane: I will soon receive my non-resident TX chl (concealed HG license) but am a resident of NM. I was wondering if anyone has a good link to the laws when/where i can cc here. one difference i HAVE discovered is that i can't carry if alcohol is sold for consumption on premises (restaurant for ex.). in TX, u CAn carry as long as >51% of profits come from alcohol consumption on premises (bars, of course but restaurants ok)
and, before u ask, i was dumb and regret going for the non-resident. reason=went thru course with parents (quality time...haha). thanks in advance for any help!!

One important thing to note about carrying in NM in licensed liquor establishments...

1) You are correct about on premises

2) Carrying in off-premises locations (ie: a grocery store) the weapon must be concealed. Open carry is still prohibited in any liquor establishment.

As for a link, check handgunlaw.us - and call Roger Bell at Calibers in Albuquerque. (Or frankly, talk to any carry instructor)

NM has pretty good gun laws however there are a few statutes that are just a bit bizarre. So familiarize yourself with them!

Robert

 

[Ray P]

CliffH: Looks like KY will accept a NH permit, and I don't see anything on handgunlaw.us that says KY recognizes only resident permits.

With my NM resident, and my NH & ME non-resident permits, I have most states covered.

KY law seems to recognize all legally issued concealed carry permits. See page 10/14 of 237.110, section 20(a):

(20) (a) A person who has a valid license issued by another state of the United States to carry a concealed deadly weapon in that state may, subject to provisions of Kentucky law, carry a concealed deadly weapon in Kentucky, and his or her license shall be considered as valid in Kentucky.

 

[CliffH]

My info was obtained a bit over a year ago direct from the KY permit folks via email. Unfortunately, I've since deleted their response.

I read the link Ray P. provided (thanks Ray), and couldn't find anything in there about KY honoring non-resident permits. So I've sent them another email. I'll post back when/if they answer, assuming anyone's interested?

 

[Ray P]

CliffH: I see your point; according to the text, KY honors permits issued by another state for carry in that state*, but nothing in the text specifically says KY will recognize a non-resident permit.

*Either way, resident or non-resident, a permit issued by a state is typically meant to be used in that state.

I'm curious to hear what KY says.

 

[boris08]

mfcmb,

I read your pdf file. You say that you can carry concealed in an establishment that sells alcohol, but not for consumption. That statement is incorrect. NMSA 30-7-3 says that you cannot carry concealed in any place that sells alcohol, to include convenience stores or super markets.

I only bring this to your attention to try to help you avoid a situation.

boris

 

[Ray P]

Law change as of July '07: See NM CCW website


A. Unlawful carrying of a firearm in an
establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages
consists of carrying a loaded or unloaded firearm on any
premises licensed by the regulation and licensing department
for the dispensing of alcoholic beverages except:
---
(4) by a person carrying a concealed handgun
who is in possession of a valid concealed handgun license for
that gun pursuant to the Concealed Handgun Carry Act; provided
that the licensed establishment does not sell alcoholic
beverages for consumption on the premises;

 

[boris08]

Ray P,

I just completed my 2 year refresher, and my information was outdated. I PM'ed MFCMB with my apologies. I was outdated.

boris

 

[Ray P]

No worries, Boris08.

You know, until I looked at the TX Concealed Carry laws (CCL), I didn't realize how insulting the whole "alcohol-dispening premises" limitation is. The same bar restriction used to exist in Maine laws, but I don't see it there anymore.