No country for old men. can you silence a shotgun?
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throdgrain
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Nice find Cat9x 
I have a silenced air rifle that I shoot in my garden sometimes, a Weirauch HW90K, it makes more noise hitting the back stop than it does firing
I think our government allow silencers so they can brush shooters under the carpet.
I have a silenced air rifle that I shoot in my garden sometimes, a Weirauch HW90K, it makes more noise hitting the back stop than it does firing I think our government allow silencers so they can brush shooters under the carpet.
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What happened to the money? Anton Chigurh sent it to William H. Macy's character in Fargo who gave it to Steve Buscemi, who buried it in a field of snow. It's still unaccounted for.
helz_mcfugly
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cool vid cat9x. to bad the cam wasnt closer. probably didnt want us to see his bad teeth
arizonaguide
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the money?
Didn't the gang that killed him at the hotel, take the money?!
Didn't the gang that killed him at the hotel, take the money?!
helz_mcfugly
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dont remember. maybe they used it to go into the future to get that shotgun
What happened to the money?
This happened (if you can trust the film's tricky narrative): Tommy Lee Jones returns to the motel where Barbra Streisand's stepson (Josh Brolin) is killed by the gang in the 4 WD. The gang survivors had to exit fast and didn't have time to search for the money. Jones checks the room and notes that the air vent cover has been unscrewed from the wall. Now, Chighur already "knew" that Josh Brolin had hidden something in the air conditioner vent in the previous motel. So Chighur had entered the crime scene and taken the money. This must have happened just before Jones got his hunch and checked out the motel himself, as Jones has a fearful "vision" of Chighur still lurking in the dark inside, waiting for him. But he goes in anyway. Jones' hunch was probably suggested by a conversation he's just had with a fellow lawman, who mentions, unbelievingly, that Chighur had once before returned to the scene of the crime (the hotel where he killed the clerk), to kill Woody Harrelson. From Brolin's hoard is probably where Chighur got the $100 bill that he paid the kid in the bicycle for his shirt. He should have left the girl live and saved himself a car accident. By the way, in the source novel, Corman McCarty makes it painfully clear that Chighur does kill the young wife at the end, should any doubts remain in that regard. Indeed, it's no country for old men anymore. So Tommy Lee retires.
This happened (if you can trust the film's tricky narrative): Tommy Lee Jones returns to the motel where Barbra Streisand's stepson (Josh Brolin) is killed by the gang in the 4 WD. The gang survivors had to exit fast and didn't have time to search for the money. Jones checks the room and notes that the air vent cover has been unscrewed from the wall. Now, Chighur already "knew" that Josh Brolin had hidden something in the air conditioner vent in the previous motel. So Chighur had entered the crime scene and taken the money. This must have happened just before Jones got his hunch and checked out the motel himself, as Jones has a fearful "vision" of Chighur still lurking in the dark inside, waiting for him. But he goes in anyway. Jones' hunch was probably suggested by a conversation he's just had with a fellow lawman, who mentions, unbelievingly, that Chighur had once before returned to the scene of the crime (the hotel where he killed the clerk), to kill Woody Harrelson. From Brolin's hoard is probably where Chighur got the $100 bill that he paid the kid in the bicycle for his shirt. He should have left the girl live and saved himself a car accident. By the way, in the source novel, Corman McCarty makes it painfully clear that Chighur does kill the young wife at the end, should any doubts remain in that regard. Indeed, it's no country for old men anymore. So Tommy Lee retires.
ryoushi
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Yep that's the way it ended. Great book, fun movie.
helz_mcfugly
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Im gettin the book, sounds way better then the movie. I liked the movie but it eft alot of open ends.
By all means - read the book! McCarty has a strong visceral insight into the societal mess into we have been slowly descending for decades now. That's one of the reasons why he sets the tale in 1980, when older people like the Tommy Lee Jones character could still tell the difference between what was beginning to happen (the rapidly growing and increasingly powerful drug trafficking business and its adjuncts) and what his part of America had stood for for so long. And McCarty really seems to know his guns. There are great quotes in this book, which doesn't end where the film ends. Read it all the way through, as its really rewarding and highly recommended. It would be difficult to find that type of insight much anywhere else today.
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icebones
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i though that shotgun was a beretta, but i forgot the model #
oh well, only 18 and im already suffering from memory loss
oh well, only 18 and im already suffering from memory loss
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Looky here:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=371242&highlight=country+men
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=342725&highlight=country+men
I guess if the leading edges of the wadding can slide by the openings, then you're good to go.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=371242&highlight=country+men
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=342725&highlight=country+men
I guess if the leading edges of the wadding can slide by the openings, then you're good to go.
UnclePete
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That's how it works. The makers of Huspower cans advise against using plastic wads, but I've fire a few hundred through with no ill effect.
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During the Vietnam War, a round was developed for the SEALs that consisted of a metal 12 ga. shell with a thin, high tensile stainless steel encelope that looked like a condom when ectended. The shell was loaded with the attatched envelope folded inside over the powder. with the shot/ wad over it and a card wad covering the mouth of the case. When fired the envelope would extend at high pressure/velocity propelling the shot/wad out of the gun. The envelope had a tiny hole in the front end which supposedly allowed the gas to bleed off. It was said to be very quiet and very effective, but could only be used in break-open guns because after firing the whole assembly was about 6 inches long and would not function through a pumpgum or an autoloader.
The "SEAL" load was under development, and some were actually sent to the field where they were tested-some in field modified single shot guns that we furnished to the VN "Home Guard" types in the villages. Just like the flechette rounds, they were a flop. Too cumbersome, and had unpredictable performance.
What does work is the concept in some of the above posts that has a long can over a barrel that is freely ventilated with lots of holes that allow gas to expand into the can. This will reduce the typical SG blast down to something like a 22 out of a really long barrel. Definitely non shotgun like sound. I often wondered why we did not develop something along those lines for SWAT and entry teams. sgotguns are really really loud when fired indoors-take note all you HD folks, cap off a few SG rounds inside your home and you will probably do some real damage to your hearing.
What does work is the concept in some of the above posts that has a long can over a barrel that is freely ventilated with lots of holes that allow gas to expand into the can. This will reduce the typical SG blast down to something like a 22 out of a really long barrel. Definitely non shotgun like sound. I often wondered why we did not develop something along those lines for SWAT and entry teams. sgotguns are really really loud when fired indoors-take note all you HD folks, cap off a few SG rounds inside your home and you will probably do some real damage to your hearing.
Im gettin the book, sounds way better then the movie. I liked the movie but it eft alot of open ends.
Cormac McCarthy Doesn't ever really leave the most tied up endings, which is what kind of makes his books so great and unique. Another thing to mention is that as far as adaptations go, this wasn't as horribly far off as other monstrosities ("WANTED"!!!, damn the idiot who rewrote that!), but not nearly as word-for-word as something like "300" or "The Watchmen" (or so it looks).
For people who liked No Country for Old Men, in either format, go to a book store and get a copy of "The Road" ASAP. Another book from the same writer, also featuring his style of starting you off after the beginning and leaving before the most final ending that many people prefer, but it is an incredible book, and the movie will come out in theaters by January 2009. It was supposed to be out the week of thanks giving but it got bumped out further. It should also be a great movie because the director is John Hillcoat, who directed "The Proposition". I can't recommend that book enough, and urge everyone to read it before they see it.
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Cormac McCarthy Doesn't ever really leave the most tied up endings, which is what kind of makes his books so great and unique. Another thing to mention is that as far as adaptations go, this wasn't as horribly far off as other monstrosities ("WANTED"!!!, damn the idiot who rewrote that!), but not nearly as word-for-word as something like "300" or "The Watchmen" (or so it looks).
For people who liked No Country for Old Men, in either format, go to a book store and get a copy of "The Road" ASAP. Another book from the same writer, also featuring his style of starting you off after the beginning and leaving before the most final ending that many people prefer, but it is an incredible book, and the movie will come out in theaters by January 2009. It was supposed to be out the week of thanks giving but it got bumped out further. It should also be a great movie because the director is John Hillcoat, who directed "The Proposition". I can't recommend that book enough, and urge everyone to read it before they see it.
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helz_mcfugly
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I love those flechette's. have you had the pleasure of shooting any of those loads? those and the dragons breath are really fun to toy with.
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So why not just some silicone flaps over the muzzle to disguise the sound? Who in their right mind is going to go investigate an 70 decibel fart?
Actually some silencers do just that. They consist of a tube and spacers with rubber disks (wipes) between the spacers. The wipes usually have X shaped slots cut into them that open and close as the bullet passes through. They work well at reducing noise. However they do not last long (<50 rounds), reduce velocity, can make accuracy abysmal, and only work on low powered rounds (max is 9mm I think).
Some people say a baby bottle nipple fastened to the muzzle works well, this is stupid as it would only add a balloon popping noise to the muzzle blast. Attaching anything to the muzzle that blocks gas flow but does not provide an expansion volume will not work well at all.
I have never heard of any credible claims that muzzle blast from a lethal firearm was reduced to lower than 100 decibels by any silencer that was lighter than the gun it was used on and actually let the bullet pass through with enough velocity to do some damage to the target. The difference between 70 db and 100 db is a factor of 1000.
The only way to get a reading of 70 decibels on a suppressed firearm is to use a totally inadequate noise meter from the mall that lacks the quick response time required to capture the peak noise level. According to the experts, a microphone needs to have a minimum of a 20 micro second response time to be accurate at determining the true noise level. The impulse noise will not sound as loud as continues noise.
http://www.amazon.com/Silencer-Perf...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230745402&sr=8-1
Ranb
Some people say a baby bottle nipple fastened to the muzzle works well, this is stupid as it would only add a balloon popping noise to the muzzle blast. Attaching anything to the muzzle that blocks gas flow but does not provide an expansion volume will not work well at all.
I have never heard of any credible claims that muzzle blast from a lethal firearm was reduced to lower than 100 decibels by any silencer that was lighter than the gun it was used on and actually let the bullet pass through with enough velocity to do some damage to the target. The difference between 70 db and 100 db is a factor of 1000.
The only way to get a reading of 70 decibels on a suppressed firearm is to use a totally inadequate noise meter from the mall that lacks the quick response time required to capture the peak noise level. According to the experts, a microphone needs to have a minimum of a 20 micro second response time to be accurate at determining the true noise level. The impulse noise will not sound as loud as continues noise.
http://www.amazon.com/Silencer-Perf...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230745402&sr=8-1
Ranb
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Metro barrel
Maybe a year ago I bought a metro barrel extension for my shotgun to silence it. It adds about another 30" to the gun length so it is aqward but the extension is very light. I used it to shoot quiet shot and slug loads. Of course the loads have to be around 800-900 fps. The extra barrel length allows the propellant gasses to drop below the speed of sound so it don't "Crack". The final sound ends up sounding like a quick release of air up a pipe with an air blow nozzle.
This is not classified as a silencer. It's just a long barrel.
I didn't have anything to use it on other than playing with it some. However, I considered that it might work with a slug to kill a deer in an area where you didn't want to disturb the neighbors. The length of the gun lends itself to stand hunting where you don't have to walk around.
It is also used for bird hunting according to articles that I read in areas where you don't want to disturb the neighbors so much.
Maybe a year ago I bought a metro barrel extension for my shotgun to silence it. It adds about another 30" to the gun length so it is aqward but the extension is very light. I used it to shoot quiet shot and slug loads. Of course the loads have to be around 800-900 fps. The extra barrel length allows the propellant gasses to drop below the speed of sound so it don't "Crack". The final sound ends up sounding like a quick release of air up a pipe with an air blow nozzle.
This is not classified as a silencer. It's just a long barrel.
I didn't have anything to use it on other than playing with it some. However, I considered that it might work with a slug to kill a deer in an area where you didn't want to disturb the neighbors. The length of the gun lends itself to stand hunting where you don't have to walk around.
It is also used for bird hunting according to articles that I read in areas where you don't want to disturb the neighbors so much.
icebones
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i wonder how effective that barrel extension would be when used with those aguilla minishells? i shoot those out of my 28'' bbl 870 and they are about equivilent to a .22 rifle as far a noise goes. and they make a funny hollow popping noise when fired.
helz_mcfugly
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lmao, investigate a 70 decibel fart. that really did make me laugh. thank you. if it came from a women i would investigate if i could still walk from laughing so hard.
MassMark
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I fired many rounds out of a suppressed H&R break-action 20ga shotgun. The sound of the shot hitting the junked pick-up truck we were shooting at was as loud as the report from the full-brass 20ga. It was built by a New England FFL/SOT...Totally fun.
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