No Guns allowed at Buffalo Wild Wings

[Dean1818]

Yesterday, I went to one of my favorite places to eat wings, and noticed a sign that prohibited guns


I was meeting a client, so I finished my meal, and after the client left, I spoke with the manager.

In a very peacable way I explaned that this was my last visit.

I also explained to him that in Texas, a sign like his in a restaurant is not legally binding.
(Not a 50% alcohol place, not a 30.06 sign)

I explained how his sign was an attempt to infringe upon my 2A rights.

The manager was very peacable as well, and said that he would raise the concern with his manager (maybe....probably a "blowoff")

I will however NOT eat there in the future.

We need to not let a gun hating person (company) infringe on our 2A rights in a public place, if they are blatant like this company against a state law,
then I will tell everyone I know that they shouldnt patronize the place



I also talked to the manager about how ludicrous the sign was.

I said "imagine an armed bank robber ready to break in to a bank..... he sees the NO GUN sign....... do you REALLY think he wont go in???"

I said all your sign gets you is a limit of the law abiding citizen.

Its STUPID if you think about it

 

[mizzlep]

It's probably corporate policy that the guy can do nothing about.
Aside from it not being 'illegal' in your state to not have a gun on someone else property despite their sign to the opposite effect, you could be asked to leave for such a reason (or any reason, really), and your failure to do so would be trespassing.

You don't have second amendment rights. You have rights which are supposed to be protected by the constitution, not granted by the constitution.

 

[fletcher]

The one near me has the same sign. I take notice of the same thing you did (not a valid sign) and walk right in.

mizzlep is probably right. It's likely some feel-good measure someone at corporate decided to have plastered on the door. If they were really serious, it would be a 30.06 sign.

 

[ZeSpectre]

collect receipts from the restaurants you do patronize, Once you have a fair amount in total (say a couple hundred dollars) photocopy them and place in a letter to BWW headquarters highlighting that this is money you spent somewhere else due to their policies.

A group campaign doing this has brought attention to this issue before and has even been successful in the past with other businesses.

 

[mizzlep]

collect receipts from the restaurants you do patronize, Once you have a fair amount in total (say a couple hundred dollars) photocopy them and place in a letter to BWW headquarters highlighting that this is money you spent somewhere else due to their policies.

A group campaign doing this has brought attention to this issue before and has even been successful in the past with other businesses.

That's a pretty neat idea.

Or maybe try to get them into some local press, via local gun-rights organizations. Have some old school boycotts or something. The "Say no to BWW and Support Gun-Rights BBQ" ;-)

 

[orionengnr]

The fact that it is not a valid sign is irrelevant.

What you accept, you condone.
I will not spend my money in any establishment that has a legitimate (or an illegitimate) "no guns" sign.

If it is "corporate policy", shame on them. I will certainly let the manager of that store know of the reason for my refusal to patronise his establishment.

If he is a responsible manager, he will pass my complaint (and those of others) to his superiors. If not, shame on him.

Either way, places like Buffalo Wild wings and Taco Cabana will see my backside, and not my wallet.

 

[leadcounsel]

While a local manager can't do much about it, he will certainly raise the issue if he gets enough complaints. Heck, HE wants to keep his job. And if he loses thousands a month from folks who are going elsewhere, he'll tell his owner, and it'll go up the chain.

That's what it takes to make changes.

 

[dprice3844444]

suggestion;
make him up a sign stating;
only law enforcement and patrons with valid concealed weapons permits are allowed to carry firearms on these premises.

explain to them that if a robbery occurs,a person with a ccw might save the day.robbers don't give a damn about signs,or the law.

 

[FAS1]

If only everyone would do the same and take the time to let them know that you won't be going to that establishment anymore. The way I look at it is that if you post any kind of sign saying that no guns are allowed I won't be spending any money at your place. I will go next door.

 

[JVaughn]

Agreed. Even if the sign is not binding, its says "I don't respect your freedom, or your life; and I don't want you to have the right to protect either." Vote with your dollars!

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

I know several establishments in the Dallas area that are forced by their corporate office to put up gunbuster signs and intentionally put up ones that aren't 30.06 compliant. It's a way of placating the hopolophobes while still allowing the informed armed populace to carry.

 

[xsquidgator]

I wonder if it's company policy... I've eaten in a BW3 near me (Florida) while carrying, and I don't recall seeing any signs like that. Perhaps it is just that store where you were, or that store and other ones owned by the same person but not all BW3s.

Perhaps look for other local BW3s and see if one of them doesn't have the sign? I very very rarely see signs like that here in FL except on .gov buildings (which don't need the sign to be off-limits for carry). But I'm with you, not one dime of patronage for places that don't want me to carry there.

 

[jfrey]

I went to BWW once and the food was expensive, service was lousy, and Ac wasn't working. Signs or not, I won't go back. I've noticed that most locally owned restaurants don't post signs and the food is better. They get my business.

 

[Husker_Fan]

I'm curious. How do you know that they don't make more than 50% of their money from alcohol sales?

 

[cambeul41]

I'm curious. How do you know that they don't make more than 50% of their money from alcohol sales?

Rule of the thumb: Ask yourself if it looks more like a bar or restaurant. Do you see mostly food or drinks being served?

 

[threefeathers]

I carry concealed where I want. You have to make a choice on the safety of your family. One of the things I learned in several firearms classes from members here is how to carry concealed and not show it.

 

[Dean1818]

I asked the manager what %
vs food he said 30%

 

[Husker_Fan]

Rule of the thumb: Ask yourself if it looks more like a bar or restaurant. Do you see mostly food or drinks being served?

That's what I usually use, but the BW3s near me give me more of a bar feel.

Now that I think about it though, even if all they sold was straight whiskey, it wouldn't meet the threshold. Not many drinks are 100 proof

 

[hso]

Hold on folks. We just had a thread like this only to find it was the specific franchise that was the offender instead of the corporation. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=598848

A particular Buffalo Wild Wings can be a corporate or franchise operation. Before we go jumping to ANY conclusions we need to know if the corporation or the franchise had the sign posted. Then we can know where to focus any pressure to get a change made to the posting by explaining reasonably that the signs are against their law abiding customers who can always go to the competitor that doesn't irrationally fear gun owner.

 

[archigos]

I admittedly used to love Buffalo Wild Wings when I ate at the ones out in Illinois near a friend's place. A new one came to my area and the report from the food inspector was that "it was the dirtiest new restaurant she'd ever seen." That being said, I've never noticed such a sign here... I'll half to take a look next time I'm up that way.

 

[razorback2003]

If signs aren't binding in your state or there is not a 'legal' sign, I wouldnt say a thing to give folks any idea to make it illegal to carry in the place. Sometimes these property owners in some states get wind when a bird is singing in their ears and then they make it illegal to carry. Not smart and make other folks risk getting fined.

An example, Regions bank used to not have signs at their branches in TN making it illegal/500 buck fine to carry. Well enough bright lightbulbs bugged Regions and now you may risk getting a 500 dollar fine at many Regions branches in TN.

 

[Old krow]

I agree with HSO in #19. Find out who owns it first.

collect receipts from the restaurants you do patronize, Once you have a fair amount in total (say a couple hundred dollars) photocopy them and place in a letter to BWW headquarters (or franchise owner) highlighting that this is money you spent somewhere else due to their policies.

Better yet. Get more people to do it. Maybe post something in activism. I wouldn't have any issues saving a few receipts. Pick a day, then everybody send them in. We all eat out from time to time, it shouldn't be difficult to get people together. Don't just tell that you're not going to spend money there, spend it somewhere else and show them. I have had some success doing this in the past.

 

[dogtown tom]

Dean1818 Yesterday, I went to one of my favorite places to eat wings, and noticed a sign that prohibited guns

The "no guns allowed" has no legal meaning in Texas.

I also explained to him that in Texas, a sign like his in a restaurant is not legally binding.
(Not a 50% alcohol place, not a 30.06 sign)

Soooooooo.........now they know and will probably put up a 30.06 compliant sign. Thanks for shutting out one more place of businees to CHL holders.

I explained how his sign was an attempt to infringe upon my 2A rights.

It doesn't infringe on your Second Amendmment rights one bit. The Second Amendment protects us from government and has nothing to do with the rights of a property owner.

I said all your sign gets you is a limit of the law abiding citizen.

Its STUPID if you think about it

Most often these signs are required by insurance companies for liability reasons. They do not limit ANYTHING a law abiding citizen can do.

The only thing stupid was you loosing your cool over a sign that DOES NOT APPLY TO YOU OR ANY OTHER LAW ABIDING CITIZEN.

 

[Unistat]

I asked the manager what %
vs food he said 30%

I actually have wondered that about BWW. Here in Michigan we have a 50% law too, but not requirement to post a sign about it (so stupid, how am I supposed to know?) BWW has such a big bar, I knew it had to be a significant portion of their sales.

To be honest I am not super crazy about BWW, but a lot of my friends like to eat there. I haven't seen the "no guns" sign here.

 

[THe Dove]

Thanks for your response and critique of the post "dogtown"!!!

Now I would like to ask you a simple question..... What is a 30.06 compliant sign?

Feel free to jab and break my post apart word by word if you want.

BOOMER SOONER

The Dove