No I won’t make you ammo!!

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So you are type 1c or 1d shooter - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/no-i-won’t-make-you-ammo.913424/page-4#post-12485822

1. Shooter who use factory ammo
  • 1a - Shooter who hardly ever shoot
  • 1b - Shooter who is a recreational shooter
  • 1c - Shooter who is an avid shooter
  • 1d - Shooter who competes
    • 1d1 - Shooter who competes with any factory ammunition
    • 1d2 - Shooter who competes with tested most accurate factory ammunition
    • 1d3 - Shooter who competes with match ammunition
  • 1e - Shooters who wonder why they have guns but shoot anyways
I'd be a 1d3 if lapua would sponsor me like Eric Cortina
 
There are at least two major groups of shooters/reloaders. Which group/subgroup do you belong to?  - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-and-discussions.778197/page-11#post-12029687

Shooter who use factory ammo
1a - Shooter who hardly ever shoot
1b - Shooter who is a recreational shooter
1c - Shooter who is an avid shooter
1d - Shooter who competes
1d1 - Shooter who competes with any factory ammunition
1d2 - Shooter who competes with tested most accurate factory ammunition
1d3 - Shooter who competes with match ammunition
1e - Shooters who wonder why they have guns but shoot anyways
Shooter who reloads
2a - Shooter who reloads
2a1 - Shooter who dislikes reloading but likes shooting (Will buy factory if price difference is close enough)
2a1i - Shooter who reloads on occasion
2a1ii - Shooter who reloads regularly
2a1iii - Shooter who reloads to compete
2a2 - Shooter who likes reloading and also likes shooting (Will hardly/never buy factory)
2a2i - Shooter who reloads on occasion
2a2ii - Shooter who reloads regularly
2a2iii - Shooter who simply views gun as unloading device (May not even enjoy shooting)
2a2iv - Shooter who reloads to compete
2b - Shooter who handloads (May also reload and likely enjoys reloading/handloading)
2b1 - Shooter who handloads but has "practical" limits
2b1i - Shooter who handloads occasionally (hunting, etc.)
2b1ii - Shooter who handloads regularly (match shooting, etc.)
2b2 - Shooter who handloads but has "realistic" limits
2b2i - Shooter who handloads occasionally (hunting, etc.)
2b2ii - Shooter who handloads regularly (match shooting, etc.)
2b2 - Shooter who handloads and has no limits
2c - Shooters who wonder why they reload/handload but reload/handload anyways
2a2 describes this old boy
 
I reload or load for my son-in-law who has been good about saving the brass. Generally for Christmas I give him a 50 box of either .38 Special or 7mm-08 Remington as a stocking stuffer. I also reload .45 ACP and .38 Special for when my neighbor and I go to the range. His motorcycle stays in my garage beside mine and since he snow plows my property is always well plowed during winters. On the bright side my son-in-law wants to learn how to roll his own so we will get started on that. I have an old Lee O press I'll never use and other stuff he can have once he knows what he is doing. :)

That is the extent of my give aways. Friends want to learn then cool with me, I'll teach but as to loading for everyone who is crying for ammo I tell them where to buy it. Now if someone wants to give me an 8 Lb jug of Bullseye then I might be a little kinder.

Ron
 
I have a brother that always calls the night before season opens for some rifle loads. If he actually remembers ahead of time he comes over when I’m at work and uses all my components for his loads and leaves the bench a mess. To be fair i used to do the same thing to him. I guess pay back is a ****.

All brotherly fun aside. We both did the work up on both our rifles and had them both built by the same gun smith at the same time. During the summer months we both take the time to do a load work up with both rifles to make sure we’re both ready for hunting season. He also brings components up most of the time. I live out in the country and a trip to a decent store is almost a 90 min drive one way.
 
I fall into the 2a2 category, I really enjoy reloading a lot, probably more than shooting only because the indoor ranges here kinda suck, jam packed with lots of people who have no clue of what they're doing, (SCARY) and the one outdoor range is super expensive!. What I need is some land! I have a couple friends that have land, but their land is several hours away, so it's not often we get to go out there to their property.

I have lots of ammo in GI cans of all the calibers I and my son shoot, but now - a - days I wish I didn't have so much stored away, and just loaded up when I needed more.

Thankfully I have plenty of supplies of everything, so this drought hasn't affected me per-say.
 
Our family(myself,my dad, and my one bro) do the reloading as a “co-op”. We all went together for press etc. the calibers we share we went in together for dies. The others we just buy. Powder and primers we share. But, I’m the one that does the loading. And I’m not complaining. (It’s my vice for dealing with a divorce) but I load for us and that’s pretty much it. I have used some of my very carefully crafted low recoil 9mm to help a shooter deal with and cure a flinch(an idiot thought it would be funny to give a new shooter a full house crazy hot 10mm… and they had no clue how to deal with recoil… I’d like to have beat them over the head with said 10mm… poor newbie guy is pretty small framed, and it about spun him around! Now he’s having a time curing the flinch) but, I’m not going to just pass out ammo. Liability Liability Liability!!
 
There are a few people that I will load ammo for. Its kind of funny, those few people are the same ones whose ammo I will shoot!

One is my oldest Son who I taught to reload and the others are trusted friends. I have seen the attention to detail that those friends exercise when doing other things. Like changing the oil in their trucks, cooking, cleaning, gun care and repair, ect!

All others I refuse. I'll start out with a soft refusal and even use a white lie sometimes. Don't have dies for that caliber, low on primers, short on time, ect. Trying to avoid hurt feelings, ya know! Sometimes I'll calculate the cost of loading the first hundred cartridges. The die set and shellholder, set of Lee Trimmers, 100 primers and 100 bullets and a pound of powder. Usually when I quote that cost they go away!
 
Same place, If I hang out those two years my monthly goes up $1200....some days it is not worth it.

I had a similar situation. My last 3 years I had to relocate 4 hours from home, Monday-Friday. When I retired I could have stayed 19 more months and it would have increased my pension by $1,500 a month.

I even told the boss I had more work on me, but I had zero commute left in me.

When they elected to go a different direction, there were no hard feelings. I knew I had met my goal pensionwise and wasn’t gonna chase any more if I had to commute. No regrets. And no pleasure when their other choice had to be removed 18 months later.

But doing 37 years in law enforcement probably isn’t healthy anyways, especially these days.
 
I would never buy someone else's reloads, nor would I reload for someone. One mistake and you could be sued. I've seen others who bought reloads and had problems. I've also seen squibs and problems with jamming.

Loading for yourself is enough fun and you get to tune your ammo for your gun. It may not shoot as well in someone else's gun and they won't let you forget it.
 
Yeah, we all have a few "friends" like that. Being in construction for 40 years, I got a lot of requests for "help". Usually it was "You just need to get me started" or "we'll be glad to pay you what it's worth!". Majority of the time it was to the completion of the project and that pay was generally a few beers and some hot dogs on the grill. Not really worth giving up my time and I quickly learned how to say "NO!" and mean it. Have had many folks that know I reload, ask me for ammo, especially now that it's hard to find. Somehow they think that components are free. Have yet to go there except for very close friends and family. One thing I dislike as much as "Moochers" are those "Debbie Downers" that get some form of pleasure by giving negativity. Your friend was obviously excited about his new gun and one reason he was desperate for ammo. While politely refusing him was well within line, the dissing of his new firearm, IMHO was not necessary. It basically lowered you to his level.
I’m the Debbie downer cause I told my buddy that my brother had one and it had issues? He wasn’t excited he wanted ammo. He’s done this before when he bought an AR he wanted ammo loaded if he gave me brass. He buys used guns for cheap from a kitchen table FFL. It was probably used and I was giving him a heads up. He was also not desperate for ammo he is cheap. Back when 9mm was $8-9 he complained and wanted ammo made it he provided brass.
 
I had a friend that borrowed my reloading equipment too long. So I made him buy it thinking that I could quite the hobby. I was wrong and bought a new RCBS set and still have it to this day.
 
my time is no less valuable when my employer isn't paying me. You couldn't afford my loads, and I wouldn't spend my time making them for you in the first place.

Instead I'll recommend some equipment for you to get into reloading, tell you good online vendors for supplies, along with some useful advice if you actually do it.
 
What is the deal with people expecting you to make ammo for them just because you reload. I’ve got a “friend” who i pretty much only hear from when he wants something and he text me do you have any 38s? Me: No. Him: I need 38s. Me: Okay, go buy some. Him: You reload, right? Me: Yeah, but I don’t have any stuff for 38s. Him: Well I need 38s cause I bought this Taurus 38 snub nose polymer. Me: Yeah, knew someone who had one and the timing was off and its junk. I just got a new shield plus in 9mm. Him: Yeah, well i don’t need 9mm I need 38s for my new gun. Me: Oh, btw things are going great with me, new job is good, I like it a lot, everyone else is doing good. Him: .

Get a few weeks out from deer season and everyone wants ammo. Do these people not understand loads need worked up, pressure checked, etc. it’s insane they just think you stuff some powder in the case and here ya go. They also fail to realize this stuff cost a lot of money. Well I don’t have any or I’ll throw you a couple bucks. NO!!!!!!!!!!!’

Bottom line:

If you can afford to spend at least 3 figures on a gun, you can afford to spend at least 2 figures on ammo for it.

The corollary to this is if you can't afford to spend at least two figures on ammo, you can't afford to spend at least 3 figures on a gun.
 
Unfortunately, I have gained purchase on a S&W 460 Magnum pistol. Her true owner now walks the Good Hunting Grounds.
Her weak-wristed inheritor seems eager to sell me a passel of handloads for the cannon as well.

I’m not sure which neural pathway changed in my greyish matter on his passing, but it did. Now that it is my pistol I won’t shoot another’s reloads through it. It will be my highest intensity cartridge I own thus far. I just can’t take the chance. Even though it wasn’t any diminishing mental faculties that took him. Even though he and his grandson would stand behind them. I would have, but hadn’t the chance, only meeting him in frailty.
But not now. Weird.


I’ll probably over pay for a passel of ammunition, that I would trust shooting with its maker, but will hammer out into components and reassemble myself. Not looking forward to that.:(
>(Oh my gosh! I just realized! He’s old enough!
I can make my boy do it now!:evil: Muhahahahaa!! Nice job neural pathways!:))<

I have been requested to make ammunition in the dark times. I had no issue declining. I couldn’t stand the worry…
I know for a fact, that because I make very high quality handloaded ammunition, and would take even more pains for another, the only time a mistake would actually happen was when making it for someone else. Murphy is strong in this one.
Hard pass, thanks.:D
 
Unfortunately, I have gained purchase on a S&W 460 Magnum pistol. Her true owner now walks the Good Hunting Grounds.
Her weak-wristed inheritor seems eager to sell me a passel of handloads for the cannon as well.

I’m not sure which neural pathway changed in my greyish matter on his passing, but it did. Now that it is my pistol I won’t shoot another’s reloads through it. It will be my highest intensity cartridge I own thus far. I just can’t take the chance.

....and I wouldn't either. Many of the original recipes(and even factory ammo) have been reduced because of sticky extraction when pushed to SAAMI max. Some of the PC models have tight throats which can magnify the problem with extraction. Then comes down to what you are planning on doing with the gun. For deer sized game, there is no legitimate reason to load the upper ends of recipes. I find accuracy is much better for me, long before I hit max, and terminal performance is still exceptional well past 100 yards. For Elk and Moose, I would go with the highest loads that still give exceptional accuracy. You will find that the caliber is notorious for exceptional accuracy. Don't know if it's the caliber or the firearms made for it, but even after owning a .460 since their inception(almost 2 decades), I still am impressed every time I shoot it. For DG at SD range, I would go big and heavy.

Reloading for mine, I have found it is different than any other handgun cartridge I load, this includes .44 mag. Subtle differences in components/powder volume make for big differences in velocity and in some instances, ease of extraction. One needs to watch for the shortened cases used in factory loaded ammo with plastic tips, as they will decrease case capacity and if used along with standard length cases, can cause a huge decrease/increase in crimp between the two. The .460 is a handloader's caliber and can be very safe and accurate. But I would never shoot someone else's reloads for it.
 
My opinion is probably worth less than most here as I reload very little, just enough for my hunting rifles, so just a handful of boxes a year.
But people do rather frequently ask me too, and I always turn them down.
However, I really can’t imagine caring that they asked. Maybe I just don’t get upset when I’m asked for a favor.
Frankly, I generally feel a little bad I can’t help them.
 
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I reload for 1) my own use, 2) my father, 3) my wife, 4) my two sons and 5) a friend (and fellow reloader) who I have known (and reloaded with) since I was 17.

Everyone else - particularly if they want something for free can keep walking. After all, not only the components, but my time would also be free (and my Specialist Tax Consulting business charges an astronomical amount).

I reload to keep my sanity.
 
I have 2 friends and 1 acquaintance that I help with reloading.
The rules are simple. You buy the components and I will show you how it’s done.
You will do the reloading while I supervise.
The first 2 are friends who hunt.
We have developed loads for their rifles that are very accurate.

The 3rd is an employee of mine.
He will be coming over while we are off for our 2 week Christmas shutdown.
He said he’ll bring bring beer and pie and I’ll show him how to reload 454 Casull.
 
I had a similar situation. My last 3 years I had to relocate 4 hours from home, Monday-Friday. When I retired I could have stayed 19 more months and it would have increased my pension by $1,500 a month.

I even told the boss I had more work on me, but I had zero commute left in me.

When they elected to go a different direction, there were no hard feelings. I knew I had met my goal pensionwise and wasn’t gonna chase any more if I had to commute. No regrets. And no pleasure when their other choice had to be removed 18 months later.

But doing 37 years in law enforcement probably isn’t healthy anyways, especially these days.

That is the same field I am in, 20 and I am out. And I am very rural so a great deal of the "stuff" you see on TV is not going on down here.....too badly, it is still here, and coming this way quickly. It has changed a great deal.
 
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