no need to carry anymore...

[K9 PO]

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K9PO what do you think of those mobile observation towers that have been deployed recently in some high crime areas in NYC, are they part of the trend??

I think it's a waste of money and manpower. I forget how much one of those units go for, but I do know that you need 2 men to operate the darn thing. One to be in the tower and one to guard the base so it doesn't get tampered with. Fixed posts like that ultimately end up being the cops problem if anything happens to the machine, even if the ground opens up and swallows it or high winds knock it down or if God almighty smites it. It's a passing trend, much like the Segway scooters the Police Department have recently purchased. No practical solution for a well trained and motivated beat cop.

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The police rely on the public to come forward and act as their eyes and ears, otherwise they can't do their job of catching criminals and maintaining a safe society where the weak are protected as well as the strong.

Unfortunately, politics in earlier years used the police as a tool to enforce unjust laws against certain ethnic groups and that has affected police to this day. Minority communities in America view the police with much distrust and even though statistics say the majority of crimes are committed by certan ethnicities, our troubled past comes back to haunt us. See the no snitching campaign and numerous rap songs condemning the police. This hinders us from doing our jobs and further drives a wedge between police and the communities we serve.

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Eventually you will have a Mogudishu like environment in some areas, where people view the police as the enemy, rather than as protectors, police have to use military tactics to survive, and surveilence is the only way to deter crime.

Unfortunately, in a majority of neighborhoods nationwide where there is a high poverty and crime rate, police are the enemy and not the drug dealers, rapists, and career criminals who hide among the working people. Again, a majority working people are in fear of retribution and adopt a policy of see, hear, speak no evil forcing us to take aggressive actions at times. If I can coax a criminal to surrender peacefully, make him/her from ever committing a crime ever again and give me all his drugs and contraband to take into evidence all the time, I would. Reality is some will rather kill you then spend time in jail.

 

[fearless leader]

SS Inspired?

Is it just me? I have noticed over the years, that police went from "town constables" and "peace officers" and "lawmen" to law "enFORCEment".

When the old time police had to deal with the likes of Bonnie and Clyde, and John Dillinger, they wore uniforms and carried heavier hardware. They LOOKED like police.

Modern Law enFORCEment officers when on special duty dress in:
Black Boots
Black Uniforms
Black Helmets (that are of a German pattern)
German SMG's (usually)
Heavily laden with tacticool gizmos
Strike like lightning (as in Blitzkrieg)
Does this sound like another group in history?

Perhaps I'm out of line, but I always will wonder what would have happened if the Texas Rangers would have gone to Mt. Carmel at Waco, TX, and knocked on the door, and said, "David Koresh? We would like to talk to you."
You know, like police used to do before they became storm troopers.
I understand that there are communities that this seems to be needed, but it is becoming VERY common.

How do officers like this intend to deter men that are willing to die?

 

[K9 PO]

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Is it just me? I have noticed over the years, that police went from "town constables" and "peace officers" and "lawmen" to law "enFORCEment".

Why the emphasis on the word FORCE? Do cops not enforce code and laws?

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When the old time police had to deal with the likes of Bonnie and Clyde, and John Dillinger, they wore uniforms and carried heavier hardware. They LOOKED like police.

And back in those days men looked like men and women looked like women. Now you can hardly tell. Times change and people evolve.

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Perhaps I'm out of line, but I always will wonder what would have happened if the Texas Rangers would have gone to Mt. Carmel at Waco, TX, and knocked on the door, and said, "David Koresh? We would like to talk to you."

IIRC, The case was investigated by the ATF and based on the evidence they had at the time, they reasonably believed there was a large cache of illegal firearms in the compound. Karesh was a pedophile and some of the girls as young as 6 according to wikipedia were sexually abused and demonstrated intimate knowledge of weaponary. These don't appear to be people you can just talk to. By your argument, what if the President walks into Iraq tommorow, speak to the leader of the insurgents and say I would like to talk to you. Sometimes things are not so transparent and black and white.

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You know, like police used to do before they became storm troopers.

Like when the FBI ambushed John Dillinger and shot him to death? Or how about the cops on the National Law Enforcement Memorial Wall in Washington who were killed in the line of duty, some doing nothing more than talking with suspects?

IF CRIMINALS OR SUSPECTS DID NOT BEHAVE VIOLENTLY WE WOULD NOT NEED GUNS OR BEHAVE AGGRESSIVELY.

Yet men and women in this line of work talk to people every day without resorting to this "storm trooper" action.

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I understand that there are communities that this seems to be needed, but it is becoming VERY common.

Which communities NEED to have "storm troopers" police their community?

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How do officers like this intend to deter men that are willing to die?

They don't as covered in my NUMEROUS posts. It's a dog and pony show.

 

[SamTuckerMTNMAN]

some of the girls as young as 6 . . . demonstrated intimate knowledge of weaponary.

well we know it wasn't the public education system

sounds like a cool kid (see THIS POST)



st

 

[fearless leader]

Beating Up New York?

I was born in the Bronx N.Y. and lived there till I was a teen. Later, I moved out to Long Island, first Nassau County and now I'm in Suffolk. I'm proud as hell to be from NY and it saddens (often times, ANGERS) me to see NY take such a verbal beating when I go on various message boards. Unfortunately, the beatings have become more and more deserved.

New York is an amazing City, especially this time of year. You'll be hard pressed to find a better place on the planet to visit during Christmas time. It's just a shame that the laws and politics are such that it turns people off from visiting.

I used to live in Brooklyn on military duty for a year or so. I agree. I enjoyed NY. Some of the best resturants in the world, plays every night, lots of social activities no matter what your schedule (and mine was demanding). The only thing that bothered me was no right to have a gun.

I don't see where people are beating up NY as much as they are the direction the authorities are taking IN New York (and elsewhere).

 

[fearless leader]

Taurusowner - in regard to the overt patrols you were speaking...

Have you ever seen a video game called "Mercenaries"? It will probably be like that. Hummers with M-2 .50 BMGs in the turrets.

We had a chance to squelch facism in it's roots in America by rejecting county/city codes. Do you remember when it was nobodys business how many cars you had in your yard? How many guns you owned? When you didn't have to ask der Fuhrer's permission to build a shed? When a building for your purposes only had to meet your design? In my county, they want to make sure your grass is no more than 4 inches. I am still trying to figure out why I need a permit (which means I have to ask "permission" from the county Ober Fuhrer, to put a drive way on MY land. They level heavy fines now, but I'm sure they will take you and your family out and shoot you after they ban the guns.
I assert that they are deliberately allowing illegal aliens into America to necessitate the "Your papers please" mentality.
The majority of Germans never saw it coming either.

 

[The Gunman]

K9 PO

And it's all about politics..you make it seem that we average citizens are powerless against this government and forget we partake in the democratic process and VOTE these guys in or out of office.

You are absolutely correct. We have and must use our right to vote. What I am saying, once in power of office, they first concern themselves with how to stay in power. This is how the corruption and "How can I get more tax dollars?" gets started. I recieved a flyer in the mail a few days ago from an incumbet running for re-election, "informing" me of all they have accomplished and why I should vote for them. At the bottom was a note that the flyer was payed for with OUR tax dollars.

Do you think these politicians want to cut the flow of tax dollars that help them get re-elected?-I don't.

In our county, the county board seems to operate on how much state and federal tax money they can get. They use the emergency management office to gain state and federal monies by funding the office at the bare minimum to meet state and federal requirements. When the state and federal governments send money, they put it into the county general fund and appropriate only what absolutely has to be used for emergency management. They use the remainder for other projects throughout the county.

Is it no wonder that some people operate their lives on the basis of what can I do to be eligible for more government money!

OK, rant over.
Back to the guys in black. There is a time and place to employ these tools, and I feel they are necessary at times. I feel that many mayors and police chiefs use them as the first resort, when in truth they should be the last resort.

I think this photo is the result of the mayor showing off the shiny new toy he bought with our tax dollars.

K9 PO-It has just occured to me that I haven't thanked you for your service to the public. I have served in the military and public service, I know it can be a thankless job.

 

[K9 PO]

This comparison between America and Nazi Germany as evident by some posters here has some validity but I am going to draw some distinctions.

Nazi Germany under Adolf Hitler began a systemic alienation of anyone who did not have blue eyes or blond hair and have this purported "Aryan" blood.

America practically opened up its borders and the problem with illegals is already overwhelming. Do you think we are spending BILLIONS of dollars on healthcare and education for illegals just so somewhere down the road we're going to magically close the borders (something we have NOT been able to do) and start demanding papers from citizens? That does not make a whole lot of sense. With American politics the way it is now...who will be the Furher as you put it?

The people rallied under Adolf Hitler because following Germany's defeat in WWI, no one helped the people of that country rebuild and it was an impoverished nation. Hitler came and promised the people great things and they all bellied up to him. Americans to a certain extent has a impoverished class but not enough that they would come together and convince the rest of the nation that ONE dictator (which is essentially the only way a police state can exist, Old Soviet Union, Panama,etc.) can take care of everything. Before you jump down my throat and tossing 1984 around, SHOW ME a nation that exists today that mimics and Orwellian society.

And once again, have there been kidnappings and killings of political rivals? What about police gunning down protestors in cold blood? The WTO Summit in Seattle didn't see the police spraying machine gun fire at protestors. Students protest everyday without being shot. Demonstrators use their 1st Amendment rights to march on Washington DC. The rights of the press to report on all action of our government has not been infringed. Journalists have not been executed by our police or armed foces for writing negative articles about our President or expose's about Larry Craig.

The next time you go comparing my America to some fascist state, I'd advise you to move elsewhere. Speak out against the policies of the government in a public forum in China and see where that gets you.

 

[K9 PO]

Gunman,

And thank you for keeping our country safe with your service, sir.

 

[fearless leader]

Quote:The next time you go comparing my America to some fascist state, I'd advise you to move elsewhere. Speak out against the policies of the government in a public forum in China and see where that gets you.

I think it would be easier to note the trend and preserve our constitutional republic, by steering it back in the road. Do you leave your vehicle when it is going off course, or do you steer it?

 

[K9 PO]

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I think it would be easier to note the trend and preserve our constitutional republic, by steering it back in the road. Do you leave your vehicle when it is going off course, or do you steer it?

Note the trend, write your representatives, run for election. Steer the vehicle back on the path that you believe in. Point is all of our beliefs are subjective and there will be someone who disagrees. I can accept compromise and I will stand firm for my beliefs as I trust you will do the same.

My comment was directed at the comparison between Germany under Nazi rule and America in it's current state. I already said I can see some similarity and basis for the comparison. What I don't agree with is the comparison of these cops as stormtroopers or nazi SS. If you want to call them intimidating, fine. But to compare police officers who took an oath of office to defend the constitution against enemies foreign and domestic to SS troopers who murdered, raped, and tortured people deemed by Hitler to be the enemy is a slap in the face to every cop who has ever died in the uniform.

You and yesit'sloaded keep referring back to the old age of policing. Refer back to post #108 for my response.

You spoke of Dillinger and I responded the cops ambushed him as he was coming out of a theather and shot him to death. Refer back to your earlier post and my response.

 

[SamTuckerMTNMAN]

please keep in mind

the question is how does this article, or event, relate to the right to bear arms. The question is not about philosophy itself.

SHOW ME a nation that exists today that mimics and Orwellian society

Sure! How many would you like?

I suppose China would be too far away even though they peruse internet data to find political dissidents, make secret arrests, control population through sterilization, harvest organs from political prisoners and sell them to members of their own society as well as the Japanese without permission (from the original organ owners). They propose that they will have over 100 observation satellites in the sky by 2020 and already have full control over what search engines like Yahoo and Google return thereby controlling access to information deemed 'inappropriate' by the State.

Let's go closer, like say....America!
Non-police personnel used to mine for information during unrelated home entries such as 'guns, ammo...' and report such activity to the Department of Homeland Security (which could be in its own listing). source

The repeal of former limits on emergency declarations by the President which balanced the three traditional branches of Republican government. source

While over 20% of the nations school children are being put on mind and behavior altering drugs, "experts" believe they are still "undermedicated" source

-noteworthy since many of these medications have as a by product dimming a students critical analysis of authority and questioning as well as 'uncontrollable behavior'.

Domestic Police employing covert 'eyes in the sky' with testing done out of the public eye using drone aircraft and sophisticated surveillance technology.
source

Well documented yet media-blackout of aggressive political change in the North American systems of government, effectively undermining U.S. interest as an individual entity (with 'unaliable rights' such as RKBA) source

The labelling of domestic groups such as gun owners, activists, constitutionalists, Christians, immigrants, muslims, right wing/survivalists, leftist/anarchists, homeschoolers, lone individuals, rebels, etc. as potential terrorists thereby forfeiting their right to trial by jury and any other rights granted under the Constitution and subsequent amendments. source , source II, source III

the marketing of such populace/police control technologies as the drone hover craft built by Taser that can patrol and shock targets with 50,000 volts source


the presence of a firearm in media presentation of criminal activity as evidence that said firearm was part of criminal activity or would soon lead to mayhem and murder as part of a program to eliminate said firearms source

the collusion of open information access systems with corporations and political organizations who are actively seeking to alter the American political landscape source

the observation of YOU reading available materials at public places in an effort to establish thought patterns or interests that may be threatening to the State source

I could go on and on but class is about to start. I used a variety of news outlets and sources from both conservative and liberal sides to show the inherent lack of political bias of the issue. Do I think we are an Orwellian society.....nope. I love my country it's the best in the world. Period.

Do I watch and observe and note changes.......yes.

Could those changes without check lead to something worse in the future, especially after a change in power structure...possibly.

The RKBA is the canary in the coal mine - the one thing that stands as a stalwart against such possibilities, and that, we all have in common here.

Sincerely

ST

 

[geophysicishooter]

Hey K9,

I really do like your fire and pride for America. It's admirable and I think it's the common thread around here. And you're right. America isn't a fascist police state. That's is so because generations of Americans have stood up and called BS when they recognised behaviors on the part of "policy makers" that cross the line. When they try to control how we think and act with civil rights manipulating legislation, access to firearms, ammunition, tazer happy leo's and the like, it makes people nervous that the balance of power has shifted to the oligarchy, the ruling elites.. the Bush's and the Kennedy's, the Pelosi and the leftist media elites and away from the people. Basically we fear the negation of the opening lines of the Declaration. We The People. We're who own this land. We're who get to say how things are. And Try as we might to keep the right people in and the wrong people out of office that make the day to day decisions, there are enough sheep out there who latch onto the promise that can never be fulfilled and bring us legislators who tear at the soft underbelly of our fragile republic. And they do it in the name of progressivism, white-liberal guilt, and equal rights. Remeber that Rome was a republic before the dark times, before The Empire.

That's what everyone fears.

Democrats in Congress have already hinted at legislation that would restrict the ability of retailers to sell ammunition without which that $1200 Kimber becomes a $1200 paperweight. Well now you can't get ammo, so why do you need a gun? Why don't I just take that.. thanks. Oh and the line for bread starts around the corner. Nevermind our fine officers supervising. They're just making sure everything goes smoothly.

We're not just kooks who own guns. We're descendants of a noble tradition of being American, being free, of booting out the British Crown and establishing a nation on ideals that date back to Charlemagne, to Plato and Aristotle, to the founding of western civilization, to ancient Greece. That men are free, that a government only has the legitimacy that the people grant it, a government of, for and by the people. A nation that defied the Eurpean Kingdoms who had turned on those ideals.

I think what disturbs people about this is that we all realize that this all can come crashing down around our ears in an instant.. This bit about 'you can't have a gun but we can' only flies when peoples' fear of their neighbor outwieghs their fear of their freedom being taken away..

You mention China and other places where speaking out gets you taken away. All that is true and it's a travesty that people their live under such represive regimes. But it should serve to remind us how precious freedom is and that it's preservation is paramount above all other things. But you knew that already.

 

[FLORIDA KEVIN]

so who got terrorized ?

it seems to me that the citizens got terrorized and the terroists are probably laughing at them ! it would be different if they showed up in force at a terrorist "Cell" location ?! But showing force randomly is stupid ! What are they going to do when terrorists start targeting black suburbans in NYC?
Kevin :banghead:

 

[doorman]

Next step:
Everyone required to carry proper identification papers for random ID checks.

Next step:
Let's have christians were sewn on crosses, jews sewn on star of david, and muslims sewn on crescent moon for quick class identification.

Next step:
Let's separate people so we know who would likely be the bad guy.

Oh, wait a minute. History tells me that this has already been attempted and failed.

Here we go again. This time I think I will stay armed.

 

[K9 PO]

Sam,

Ya got me there. I got a bit riled up and should've recognized China as I am of Chinese American descent. Absolutely the media leans to the left and right and it's difficult to see where the truth lies.

I do believe the RKBA is an essential right for citizens of this country and the fact that wife or any other person with a spotless record and is of legal age can not carry ANY firearm in the city of New York legally while predators armed with better weapons than myself roam the streets is insane. Believe me, I love NY and I enjoy working here. The minute my finances are in order, the wife and I will be headed to some place where our RKBA will not be infringed upon. There's that Garand I always wanted...

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What are they going to do when terrorists start targeting black suburbans in NYC?

I don't understand what you mean what they are going to do?

 

[SamTuckerMTNMAN]

My statements regarding the Chinese method in no way are a remark on the Chinese people who have the richest and longest history as an advanced civilization, arguably, on Earth. I minored in Asian Studies. If you want some sources on those statements (political control, internet access, monitoring, organ stuff, and so on. . . ) I can pull them up it will just take a little while. . . I still have classes going on.

st

 

[K9 PO]

Sam,

You're right regarding China and their various restrictions on the rights of the people there (child birth limits, population control). I read about the google restrictions and and I saw Tiannamen Square unfold on TV. I know you are not speaking about the Chinese people as a whole and only about the way the government conducts it's business.

 

[v35]

Nazi Germany under Adolf Hitler began a systemic alienation of anyone who did not have blue eyes or blond hair and have this purported "Aryan" blood.

As an aside, this practice was not unique to Germany. The practice of eugenics was, at the time, considered well-established scientific fact that was accepted by medical professionals, academicians, and government policy makers worldwide, but especially right here in the US for much of the 20th century. We are talking about the recent past. No one dared object to such obviously well-qualified researchers and community leaders. It was fact. If you didn't accept it, you were labeled a kook.

A lot of people think guns cause crime. A lot of them are in government (DC's Mayor Fenty and DA Linda Singer for example). To them it's a fact and if you don't believe it you're a kook. As an exercise, you can probably think of any number of indisputable "scientific facts" yourself that are accepted by everyone that guide government and social policy today. Are they all beneficial to society? Will these accepted "scientific facts" turn out to be pure bunk someday? You decide.

Thousands of Americans were forcibly sterilized during the first half of the 1900s. It was completely accepted that dilution of the gene pool by "imbeciles" would bring social destruction. It was fact. Nazi government administrators even cited US acceptance of such practices as state-mandated sterilization when called upon to defend themselves during their war crime trials in Nuremberg.

Of course we know better now. Dilution of the gene pool was an imagined enemy. It didn't exist. What fools they were to believe that nonsense! Such knowledge of history causes wise men to question conventional wisdom. This is the reason these images of 21st century Manhattan are so frightening to me and others on this forum.

You are justified in drawing attention to the fact the US is a far cry from Germany in the 1930s. Yes, we know better now. However, human beings are made of the same stuff now as they were then. We might like to think we're more enlightened, more educated, more civilized, but as human beings, we're just as fallible, and just as prone to the human fears and limitations that led 1930s Germany down the path to its own destruction.

Nothing allies and strengthens a collectivist society more than identification of a common enemy. Give the enemy a name, then proceed to oppress it. In Germany, it was "non-Aryan" which included Jews, gypsies, and anyone else who didn't fit whatever social architecture the Nazis wished to construct. Am I suggesting that the enemy today is "terrorist"? Am I saying terrorism is nothing more than an imagined threat? No! But I question whether the perceived threat justifies the creation of paramilitary forces to combat the real threat. I joke about it but I don't think we are living an Orwellian nightmare. We are not a fascist state. However, I think we can be forgiven for remaining vigilant to the creation of real threats to everything Americans hold dear to combat an imagined enemy for the sake of the common good. The path to fascism is well-paved and available to anyone who allows themselves to be led.

I think we are completely justified when calling foul when acceptance of such paramilitary-appearing displays seem out of kilter with our values. The risk of complacency is to invite an Orwellian nightmare, or worse.

 

[Caimlas]

So definitive and concise. Once again, your opinion. I haven't seen any of these terroristic cops execute someone like the Nazis you compared them to.

The Nazis didn't start off executing Jews and dissenters right out of the starting gate, you know. Most of them weren't executing people, either, just moving them from one location to another, serving in the German Army, and doing a lot of menial tasks like moving equipment around. Just normal guys. But those normal guys overlooked and simply ignored a lot (ok, all) of the travesties that were being perpetrated around them; they were the ones vested with (at least some) authority, and they either abused it or allowed that abuse to continue - all in the name of following orders, all the way up to the top. I'm sorry, but the "just following orders" and "really just good guys caught at the wrong place at the wrong time" arguments haven't held much weight, at least since Nuremberg.

These guys might be "reactive", but if so, it's only in the same way that the German SS was "protective". If you want a prelude to what is to come, look at the history of the German SS from 1930 to 1936- 6 short years! - and see how it grew and changed at the behest of those in control, keeping in mind the likely societal change that accompanied moves like the assumption of control of the Gestapo.

Frankly, I don't care if these "cops" are good guys, trained to perform rescue, yadda yadda. They may not be doing direct harm, and may be doing good - but they are undoubtedly contributing to the populace's growing acceptance of pervasive police forces. Think of that what you will, but for my money, I'm betting nothing good comes of it. Nothing good at all.

 

[Caimlas]

You're right regarding China and their various restrictions on the rights of the people there (child birth limits, population control). I read about the google restrictions and and I saw Tiannamen Square unfold on TV. I know you are not speaking about the Chinese people as a whole and only about the way the government conducts it's business.

He may not have been, but I will. The little I know about it I've heard from my brother, who has been living there for the last year. When he went over there, he was a wishy-washy leftist. Now, he's terrified of such stuff, and while he's not fond of Bush, he's come around. What happened? First, he read 1984; second, he saw how people behave in China* and was (is) terrified by it; and third, he sees (like one might see a ship sinking through a telescope) the same thing becoming all the more common here in the United States.

* Case in point: even those who know, intellectually, that Tiannamen occurred, they will not acknowledge it having happened emotionally, and simply do not care, or are afraid to care. The majority of people my brother has confronted about it happening (yes, he's got balls on him and no, very little common sense), most will flat out deny it ever having happened, and will deny the very possibility. They will claim it was a complex fabrication by the West, or some other absurdity - or simply not even offer an explanation, just say it didn't happen.

That sounds pretty much textbook "1984".

 

[Caimlas]

Oh yeah, one final note: the issue is not whether or not we're a fascist state - as if we could or should say "not fascist? no worries" - but whether or not we are living in a free country. Are we living in a fascist country? No, don't be silly. Is it a possibility within our lifetimes, given the trend of decreased liberties and increased governmental exercise of force? Yes, most certainly.

 

[Caimlas]

But showing force randomly is stupid !

Well, in theory, random, or at least a calculated and variant, dispersal is the most effective way to spread something far and wide.

 

[The Gunman]

Hitler came and promised the people great things and they all bellied up to him. Americans to a certain extent has a impoverished class but not enough that they would come together and convince the rest of the nation that ONE dictator (which is essentially the only way a police state can exist, Old Soviet Union, Panama,etc.) can take care of everything.-K9 PO

And once again, have there been kidnappings and killings of political rivals? What about police gunning down protesters in cold blood? The WTO Summit in Seattle didn't see the police spraying machine gun fire at protesters. Students protest everyday without being shot. Demonstrators use their 1st Amendment rights to march on Washington DC. The rights of the press to report on all action of our government has not been infringed. Journalists have not been executed by our police or armed foces for writing negative articles about our President or expose's about Larry Craig.-K9 PO

No, not literal killing of political rivals, but social and political killings. Protesters are labeled as extremists. We as gun owners are targets of social and political assassination. The press and anti-gunners are working on programming the public. They are programming people to feel threatened by our owning a firearm. This is why terms like "assault weapon", "large capacity ammunition feeding device", and "military style weapon" are used by the anti-gunners. We are being pushed into silence by fear of being shunned as a gun owner, being known as an extremist for saying what you think is right. Why do you think we get called gun nuts?

Laws are constantly being made that make a simple oversight by a gun owner turn into a felony conviction. Their seems to be no middle ground for the law, you are either a good citizen who abides every law or a felon. Politicians are either sparkling clean or absolutely corrupt, no room is given for a person who makes a poor decision or makes a mistake. They are assumed guilty as hell because we "caught them", and if we caught them doing this what have they done that we didn't catch?

We must vote and reform our process toward more freedom, not "you must be guilty if you question my athority".

"And when someone you've elected is seduced by the power of the office and betrays you, muster the collective will to banish them from public life.

Because unless you do these things, freedom as we have known it cannot endure."-NRA President Charlton Heston - Brandeis University, Waltham, MA
March 28, 2000

 

[sig226]

Add one more to the tin foil hat crowd, although it is correctly known as an Aluminum Foil Deflector Beanie.

Sadly, they have screwed up New York city so badly that these are the only kind of tactics that will work there. Their answer to 1,000 murders a year was to revoke carry permits. Like those people were the problem.